OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) - #31

[rsd1200]

I ran across extended family, who was on the S/O registry. He passed at the young age of 50, in 2015, and in another state. He had lived in Ohio, and Fla. I'm wondering what his COD was. I'm just curious about the timing of his death. Probably nothing though. Just curious if anyone else had run across info and learned COD. His half sib is married to a R.

 

[Betty P]

I ran across extended family, who was on the S/O registry. He passed at the young age of 50, in 2015, and in another state. He had lived in Ohio, and Fla. I'm wondering what his COD was. I'm just curious about the timing of his death. Probably nothing though. Just curious if anyone else had run across info and learned COD. His half sib is married to a R.

Has anyone checked to see how many cases exist of someone murdering a relative of an S/O? While I think there may be some, but how likely is it for someone to murder 8 family members, including young teens?

 

[StrangeOne]

Has anyone checked to see how many cases exist of someone murdering a relative of an S/O? While I think there may be some, but how likely is it for someone to murder 8 family members, including young teens?

In the mountain region teens are considered to be adults. They would know about and maybe even be in on things most teens would not be. I thought I would throw that out there for you all.

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[rsd1200]

Has anyone checked to see how many cases exist of someone murdering a relative of an S/O? While I think there may be some, but how likely is it for someone to murder 8 family members, including young teens?

Thats not really where I was going. We dont know who, he did what he did, to. Maybe someone in his immediate family, thought someone in the R family killed him, and sought payback. Hurting family can get you killed. No matter which side you're on. His family may not have believed he was a s/o, but to the person he hurt, he most definitely was one. His mother is someone, I think that some may have puzzled about, in the past.

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[Betty P]

Thats not really where I was going. We dont know who, he did what he did, to. Maybe someone in his immediate family, thought someone in the R family killed him, and sought payback. Hurting family can get you killed. No matter which side you're on. His family may not have believed he was a s/o, but to the person he hurt, he most definitely was one. His mother is someone, I think that some may have puzzled about, in the past.

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I re-read your post and realized I interpreted it wrong. Apologies. It's something to consider, if there was someone in the distant family with a long-held grudge. I can't imagine CR1 killing someone and not being arrested or at least investigated by LE. Can you say where this relative lived who was killed? Was it nearby? How long ago did it happen?

 

[rsd1200]

I re-read your post and realized I interpreted it wrong. Apologies. It's something to consider, if there was someone in the distant family with a long-held grudge. I can't imagine CR1 killing someone and not being arrested or at least investigated by LE. Can you say where this relative lived who was killed? Was it nearby? How long ago did it happen?

It's probably nothing, and I'll be honest, it's a stretch, but, it kinda keeps me looking at family, or, creek justice. The sex offender guy is from Piketon. Iirc his crime was committed in Pike County. The charge, was, pretty much, rape. He then moved to Fla, and around, and they were looking for him b/c he'd failed to register. He lands in WV, and all that's listed in the paper is that he was found deceased in WV. A service was held and that was it. However, let's say, in his parent's hearts, they do not believe that their son died of an "accidental" o.d. or a heart attack. They truly believe that the Rs were responsible for his death, and plotted revenge. I could see that happening.

Scenario 2: You have children, be they in their teens or 30s or 90s, and your child ends up deceased at the end o that night. You suspect that your brother, the local drug dealer, supplied him with something...how to proceed? After months and months of studying on it, you, as his brother , and your wife, his sil, decide to kill him.

I know of a family, where sort of a combo of #1 & #2 happened. A crushing blow to that entire family. Brother against brother. Divided right on down the line, to cousins against cousins. Nothing will ever be the same for that family. One set of parents, believed, with all their heart, that another family member, was to blame for the death of their child. (not according to cod). The parents, though, were so convinced, this family member was at fault, that they'll be spending their twilight years in prison, instead of a porch swing.

This is the brother of the S/O (I'm trying to be as vague as possible and stay in TOS). I found it odd at the time that this dude would file. File for what? A day off work to attend a funeral? He must work for a heartless company. He had to know the rules about reimbursement, or... Was he keepin' up appearances?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ative-due-evidence-drug-cultivation/96854420/

 

[Betty P]

It's probably nothing, and I'll be honest, it's a stretch, but, it kinda keeps me looking at family, or, creek justice. The sex offender guy is from Piketon. Iirc his crime was committed in Pike County. The charge, was, pretty much, rape. He then moved to Fla, and around, and they were looking for him b/c he'd failed to register. He lands in WV, and all that's listed in the paper is that he was found deceased in WV. A service was held and that was it. However, let's say, in his parent's hearts, they do not believe that their son died of an "accidental" o.d. or a heart attack. They truly believe that the Rs were responsible for his death, and plotted revenge. I could see that happening.

Scenario 2: You have children, be they in their teens or 30s or 90s, and your child ends up deceased at the end o that night. You suspect that your brother, the local drug dealer, supplied him with something...how to proceed? After months and months of studying on it, you, as his brother , and your wife, his sil, decide to kill him.

I know of a family, where sort of a combo of #1 & #2 happened. A crushing blow to that entire family. Brother against brother. Divided right on down the line, to cousins against cousins. Nothing will ever be the same for that family. One set of parents, believed, with all their heart, that another family member, was to blame for the death of their child. (not according to cod). The parents, though, were so convinced, this family member was at fault, that they'll be spending their twilight years in prison, instead of a porch swing.

This is the brother of the S/O (I'm trying to be as vague as possible and stay in TOS). I found it odd at the time that this dude would file. File for what? A day off work to attend a funeral? He must work for a heartless company. He had to know the rules about reimbursement, or... Was he keepin' up appearances?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ative-due-evidence-drug-cultivation/96854420/

That is unusual. I hadn't seen that article. It may have just been as it appeared. People living paycheck to paycheck, wanting to get some credit for a personal day. JMO, the state was being rather obnoxious about it.

I wonder who at his employer objected and why they decided to make such a public case of it? He wouldn't have filed if he didn't attend the funeral or someone probably would have busted him. It wouldn't be worth losing your job over lying about going to a relative's funeral.

Who decided to alert the news media to the story? The employer? The state? It seems like excessive public shaming by the state directed at the relative and the Rhoden family over a fairly trivial matter - getting a paid day off to attend a funeral.

Why is the state still so publicly hostile towards the Rhoden family? If the state had any evidence against this relative (and I suspect they do have substantial evidence about the killers) why didn't they arrest him before now?

Even as late as a year ago, the state was still trying to publicly shame surviving members of the Rhoden family. The reporters who gave them sympathetic coverage have lost their jobs. It almost seems like a media blackout on the murders.

If you review their actions and public discourse, it's not the community that is hateful towards the Rhoden family. It's LE and the state of Ohio. Why is that? They've pressured a community and family into silence.

When was the last time you heard anyone from LE or the state of Ohio say anything sympathetic about the deceased family members? It's almost as if no one is allowed to speak of these murders anymore.

ETA: I have an idea. What if we could get someone to do a podcast about the Rhoden murders and (anonymously) interview some of the family members - disguising their voices, etc. Somehow I think they would like to speak publicly without fear of something happening (job loss, financial problems imposed, etc.)

 

[rsd1200]

That is unusual. I hadn't seen that article. It may have just been as it appeared. People living paycheck to paycheck, wanting to get some credit for a personal day. JMO, the state was being rather obnoxious about it.

I wonder who at his employer objected and why they decided to make such a public case of it? He wouldn't have filed if he didn't attend the funeral or someone probably would have busted him. It wouldn't be worth losing your job over lying about going to a relative's funeral.

Who decided to alert the news media to the story? The employer? The state? It seems like excessive public shaming by the state directed at the relative and the Rhoden family over a fairly trivial matter - getting a paid day off to attend a funeral.

Why is the state still so publicly hostile towards the Rhoden family? If the state had any evidence against this relative (and I suspect they do have substantial evidence about the killers) why didn't they arrest him before now?

Even as late as a year ago, the state was still trying to publicly shame surviving members of the Rhoden family. The reporters who gave them sympathetic coverage have lost their jobs. It almost seems like a media blackout on the murders.

If you review their actions and public discourse, it's not the community that is hateful towards the Rhoden family. It's LE and the state of Ohio. Why is that? They've pressured a community and family into silence.

When was the last time you heard anyone from LE or the state of Ohio say anything sympathetic about the deceased family members? It's almost as if no one is allowed to speak of these murders anymore.

ETA: I have an idea. What if we could get someone to do a podcast about the Rhoden murders and (anonymously) interview some of the family members - disguising their voices, etc. Somehow I think they would like to speak publicly without fear of something happening (job loss, financial problems imposed, etc.)

DW is LC's 1/2 brother and BR's spouse. LC is married to TR. CR1 and family are the kin of TR and BR (female sib). I don't know, but, he may have been granted monies for "A claim for lost income as a result of the killings" ,for DR as she's LC's sis-in-law. Maybe he got reimbursed for the claim against one or all of the children, but that particular one was denied. BRsis would be able to claim also (but CR1 would still be disallowed).

I'm guessing it was released, last year, when they started being asked about those claims. I remember being curious because, claims for assistance would be denied, if there was evidence of marijuana cultivation (or any drug trafficking) going on at the homes (burial or any other type). Thus far, it looks as if it is only CR1's place, and, by DS's word, KR's place (a tray).

I don't find it derogatory, to print a denied claim. It's giving us a solid piece of information that, yes, CR1's was the only place that had a weed grow on it, that we've seen admitted, by the state. The other homes, appear to be clean of drugs.

 

[Dudly]

It's probably nothing, and I'll be honest, it's a stretch, but, it kinda keeps me looking at family, or, creek justice. The sex offender guy is from Piketon. Iirc his crime was committed in Pike County. The charge, was, pretty much, rape. He then moved to Fla, and around, and they were looking for him b/c he'd failed to register. He lands in WV, and all that's listed in the paper is that he was found deceased in WV. A service was held and that was it. However, let's say, in his parent's hearts, they do not believe that their son died of an "accidental" o.d. or a heart attack. They truly believe that the Rs were responsible for his death, and plotted revenge. I could see that happening.

Scenario 2: You have children, be they in their teens or 30s or 90s, and your child ends up deceased at the end o that night. You suspect that your brother, the local drug dealer, supplied him with something...how to proceed? After months and months of studying on it, you, as his brother , and your wife, his sil, decide to kill him.

I know of a family, where sort of a combo of #1 & #2 happened. A crushing blow to that entire family. Brother against brother. Divided right on down the line, to cousins against cousins. Nothing will ever be the same for that family. One set of parents, believed, with all their heart, that another family member, was to blame for the death of their child. (not according to cod). The parents, though, were so convinced, this family member was at fault, that they'll be spending their twilight years in prison, instead of a porch swing.

This is the brother of the S/O (I'm trying to be as vague as possible and stay in TOS). I found it odd at the time that this dude would file. File for what? A day off work to attend a funeral? He must work for a heartless company. He had to know the rules about reimbursement, or... Was he keepin' up appearances?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...ative-due-evidence-drug-cultivation/96854420/

A letter dated Jan. 12 from the Ohio Attorney General to Rhoden's brother-in-law David Weisel states "there is a preponderance of evidence that Christopher Rhoden, Sr. was cultivating felony quantities of marijuana within ten years prior to the crime."

But they also say the small grow operation wasn't the reason they were killed. So it was a preponderance of evidence that felony amounts of marijuana was being grown in quantities too small to cause them to get murdered? I guess that does sound like something DeWine would say about this case...

 

[rsd1200]

I've been thinking on this, and, if you think about it , the paper is actually telling us quite a bit. They obtained a copy of the letter from the AG's office.

At the time that DW had been denied, "No claim has been filed about Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s funeral expenses. (1) DW submitted a request in the amount of $4,800 in lost net wages. (2) -- Maybe he thought, since he was a bil on one side, combined with a 1/2 brother, of an in-law, on the other side, it might give him a shot? Idk. Maybe he is his own boss and/or there was not funeral leave. I got three days and had to use vacation or personal leave time, for two of those days, and my employer was considered generous. There's always FMLA in dire situations, but that only saves your job. I guess FMLA is still a thing.

So,according to the rules, there was nothing felonious, going on at FR & HHG's home, nor at DR's home. Anyone who rec'd the funds, had to be clean and clear, too, and w/the exception of JdyM, (3) it seems the checks were all to be sent directly to the funeral homes/service providers.

By law, the state can cover a maximum of $7,500 for victims' funeral expenses. Funeral payments go directly to companies that provided services, not to the victims' surviving relatives. The state has agreed to pay $37,327.55 to date: HHG, FR (akaCR), HMR, CR2, and DR's families were approved for aid for burial expenses.

I don't think GR's family filed.
I don't think KR's family filed.
I don't think CR's family filed for burial expenses.

A letter from Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine’s office to Weisel this month said that the law requires that payment be denied if there is a “preponderance of evidence” that the victim engaged in cultivating felony quantities of marijuana within 10 years of the crime that prompted the compensation claim, regardless of whether the victim was convicted.

“Specifically, information obtained from law enforcement indicates that Mr. Rhoden was operating a large-scale marijuana growing operation on his property with the purpose of distributing the marijuana,” the letter said.

The letter said DW may file a request for reconsideration. A telephone listing for DW could not immediately be found, and he couldn’t be reached for comment. (4)

I still find it odd. I have trust issues though, so, that's just me.

(1) No claim filed for CR1 burial expenses
https://www.chillicothegazette.com/...en-family-case-pike-county-homicide/96851114/

(2) DW's Request for $4,800 & $7,328 Amt. Approved to Assist HHG's Family w/burial:
https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/compensation-denied-for-relative-of-ohio-massacre-victim

(3) JdyM rec'd $7,500 for DM's funeral expenses.
http://wcbe.org/post/state-approves-additional-payment-rhoden-family-funerals

(4) DW amt. requested & AG Dewine's denial
https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/compensation-denied-for-relative-of-ohio-massacre-victim

 

[rsd1200]

A letter dated Jan. 12 from the Ohio Attorney General to Rhoden's brother-in-law David Weisel states "there is a preponderance of evidence that Christopher Rhoden, Sr. was cultivating felony quantities of marijuana within ten years prior to the crime."

But they also say the small grow operation wasn't the reason they were killed. So it was a preponderance of evidence that felony amounts of marijuana was being grown in quantities too small to cause them to get murdered? I guess that does sound like something DeWine would say about this case...

Oh, it doesn't take much to get you a felony. He can easily say that and it be nothing more than this:

Cultivation of 200 grams or more, but less than 1 kilogram of marijuana is a 5th degree felony, punishable by up to 12 months in prison and a fine not to exceed $2,500.00, unless the cultivation was done in the vicinity of a school or juvenile, in which case the offense is a 4th degree felony, punishable by up to 18 months in prison, and a fine not to exceed $5,000.00 plus court costs.

1 kilogram is just over two pounds. It's just the rules of the Victim's Fund. The only person who we know, who was applied for, and denied, was CR1.

https://www.columbuscriminaldefenseattorney.com/marijuana-cultivation/

 

[Flatbush]

I am just going to jump in here with some thoughts I have.

I am curious if anyone was selling marijuana for an extended period of time, how would this be known as FACT if they were never arrested and caught red handed. That just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. AND its really not very polite considering the person is now deceased and not able to confirm or deny such a claim.

Pike County is big land wise, the country is poor in comparison to some I suppose.
It appears the R's were a big extended family and there certainly has not been any shortage of "possible" reasons someone would want to do away with one or two family members.
I must clarify, I am not OK with anyone killing anyone, it's just not right.

The way LE has treated some of the remaining family leaves me scratching my head!

I believe LM don't come out and talk anymore, as well as the rest of the family, is he 1) fears for his and other family members lives and 2) deep down I think he feels justice will not be served.

Random question: would the cartel (if guilty) come back and take more lives?

8 people, 4 homes dead. I would bet a dollar against a doughnut some of the deceased had no clue WHY they were being killed. I am of the belief someone had a reason say to kill a couple folks, the rest were killed because they would be able to identify the killers. My thinking, that alone says no cartel. This whole thing has got more twists and turns and players that even those of us who have been here since day one can't remember them all!

I think to give this a swift kick in the pants for justice, we need someone from out of the area, not afraid, with the ability and the knowledge and muscle to take on whomever to get it done. Investigation Discovery maybe, something like that!

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[MyTinkieGirl]

I can not even explain or have a clue why I've gotten a bee in my bonnet over this case at this point in time. I've gone thru the posts - skimmed thru some pages, but, got the gist of the discussions. If I'm going thru stuff that's been discussed ad nauseam, please let me know.
My questions/comments mostly are to do with the autopsies and death certificates.
I haven't seen the actual certificates, but, have read what the time of death (TOD) was listed as. I'll assume this is when the bodies were found. Are the powers that be just yankin our chains? Everyone pretty much knows the TOD is an approximation taken by the body temperature.

One method of estimating the time of death is to measure body temperature. The normal equation for this is:
37.5oC - 1.5 oC
This formula equates to the body temperature (37.5oC), which loses 1.5 oC per hour until the temperature of the body is that of the environment around it; known as the ambient temperature. This ambient temperature - depending on how low it is - may take minutes or hours to be reached and this is a good indicator as to how long a body has been in situ. Additionally it is worth noting that a body's temperature will drop much more slowly if the body has been exposed to extreme cold; such as being left outdoors, submerged in water or icy conditions.

A rectal thermometer can be used for this, as well.

Otherwise, IMO, per the certificates, the order of the bodies being found appears to be when they called TOD. So, it appears that CRsr and GR were found first, at 8:07. Then 8:11 for FR and HG. Last, DR, et all, at 8:17. Or, this could also be an assumption by LE just by who lived where and how they assumed the order the murderers went.
BUT, whatever order isn't really what I'm talking about.
Again, please stop me if I've skimmed over this discussion prior.
Basically, my question is about yankin our chains and why in the heck would this be done? IMO, looks kinda incompetent, no?
I understand the whole protecting the case, etc. LE isn't bound to tell the public everything. Public records and transparency laws for giving the public info.
This post is covering just one of the things I find bizarre.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Autopsy Results.
Murders April 22nd. Have no choice but to assume everything happened after midnight. ALTHOUGH - if the crime scene people took the body temperature at the scene, we would have a far better idea of how this went down. At least some order of the murders. Maybe started on Apr. 21st??? So, I'm just going by the TOD and date listed in the article about death certs. In and around 8 AM on the 22nd.

There are so many things I find crazy about the autopsies. Like, the ME says they all have "bags on their hands", yet, obviously takes them off to describe the nail length, nail fungus and even callouses on one of the family.
Oh, I don't know. Let's see. Wouldn't crime people go over the bodies for evidence BEFORE the autopsy? Like, cut fingernails to the quick for trace evidence underneath, etc. BEFORE the ME takes off bags? Would seem like a defense attorney's dream to claim shoddy lab and crime investigation contamination/planting of evidence.
At any rate. There's just a lot of stuff in the results if you go thru them. It may not come right out and say, but, some things you can get an idea of.
Again, lemme know if this has been discussed, or, if it's irrelevant. Or, maybe tired of discussing.
I'm finding it interesting. Some stuff with stomach contents, etc. Someone already mentioned the toe tag on HG and the BCI # given. Frankie R had the same thing on his toe tag. Also, HG was the only one reported that her "face, anterior torso and upper extremities covered with dried blood". Like there wasn't A LOT of dried blood on the rest???
Just little things.

 

[rsd1200]

I am just going to jump in here with some thoughts I have.

I am curious if anyone was selling marijuana for an extended period of time, how would this be known as FACT if they were never arrested and caught red handed. That just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. AND its really not very polite considering the person is now deceased and not able to confirm or deny such a claim.

Pike County is big land wise, the country is poor in comparison to some I suppose.
It appears the R's were a big extended family and there certainly has not been any shortage of "possible" reasons someone would want to do away with one or two family members.
I must clarify, I am not OK with anyone killing anyone, it's just not right.

The way LE has treated some of the remaining family leaves me scratching my head!

I believe LM don't come out and talk anymore, as well as the rest of the family, is he 1) fears for his and other family members lives and 2) deep down I think he feels justice will not be served.

Random question: would the cartel (if guilty) come back and take more lives?

8 people, 4 homes dead. I would bet a dollar against a doughnut some of the deceased had no clue WHY they were being killed. I am of the belief someone had a reason say to kill a couple folks, the rest were killed because they would be able to identify the killers. My thinking, that alone says no cartel. This whole thing has got more twists and turns and players that even those of us who have been here since day one can't remember them all!

I think to give this a swift kick in the pants for justice, we need someone from out of the area, not afraid, with the ability and the knowledge and muscle to take on whomever to get it done. Investigation Discovery maybe, something like that!

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I am with you in that we have never seen the first leaf, or photo of a leaf, grow room, tray, etc... as proof that there was a grow op going on at CR1's place. From the very beginning the size, location, and number, of grows, have changed as this case has unfolded. Also, what might be a small scale operation, to me, likely would be a large scale operation, to someone like Dewine.

It would only take 8 or 10 healthy, well-kept, indoor plants, with good grow lights, to land you in the felony zone. According to Ohio state law, cultivating between seven ounces, and 2.2 pounds, is enough to get you a felony.

Having 1.3+ pounds will get you a felony, and a mandatory minimum sentence. Also, it's not so much the number o plants, in OH, it seem's it's the weight. They weigh the entire plant, if I understand correctly, to determine what you will be charged with, in Ohio, unless that changed, prior to the Rhoden murders. A full plant, un-dried, would be similar to housing tobacco on the stick, and taking it down after it was cured out. Cured tobacco is much, much, lighter than newly hung tobacco, but, like weed, you get you get your income based on the dry weight. (1)

We do know, pretty much, that KR was doing some type of cultivating, and it's alluded to, by family, that he wasn't the only grower. I think his was likely outdoors, and he was waiting to transplant them to the outdoors. Per KR2;

[FONT=&amp]KR also worked alongside his brothers and tinkered with cars and building demolition derby cars.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Getting by for him sometimes meant growing marijuana on that family land on Left Fork Road where he lived in a camper, said his daughter and namesake KR2.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Like his dad, K was gifted at gardening and turned to growing and cultivating marijuana to supplement his income and to help her mom, also a nurse’s aide, in lean times.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]The 19-year-old never knew him to be involved in large-scale distribution, she said.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]KR2 is now the executor to his estate. She said there really isn’t much to it: His camper, a truck and his beloved motorcycle. There are no secret bank accounts, no piles of cash, she said. (2)
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(I have to say, I'm with KR2 on the cartel. I just don't buy it. They may have tried to make it look that way though.)

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10/27/2016 [/FONT]THE BIRTH OF THE MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL THEORY[FONT=&amp]
They were preparing to make a statement the Rhoden family said changed everything for them. A statement they said ended the donations for the surviving children and caused a Cincinnati man to withdraw a $25,000 cash reward for information on the case.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]As the sheriff backed away from the podium and DeWine gave reporters a “Thank you,” a woman in a red top walked up and handed the sheriff a piece of paper. Sheriff Reader looked it over, then showed it to Mike DeWine.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]It took DeWine 12 seconds to read the document. “Okay, okay. Let’s, let’s…you want to do it,” DeWine asked Sheriff Reader as he finished reading the paper.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]“Go ahead,” Reader said and DeWine stepped back to the podium.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]“Let me go ahead, and I think it’s okay for us to confirm. Uh, that we did find marijuana in three locations,” DeWine said.

“Near the crime scenes or at the crime scenes,” a reporter asked DeWine. “At the crime scenes,” DeWine answered.
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[FONT=&amp]“Like bags of marijuana,” a male reporter asked as DeWine shook his head. “A grow operation,” a female reporter asked as DeWine stepped back to the podium—littered with news microphones from outlets all over the state.
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[FONT=&amp]“These are grow operations. Thank you all very much,” DeWine said as he and the sheriff ended the questioning and walked away.
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[FONT=&amp]Just six minutes before that statement, a reporter had asked DeWine and Reader, “In your search of the crime scenes, have you found evidence of marijuana grow operations?”
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[FONT=&amp]“I’m not going to comment on that,” Sheriff Reader said as DeWine kept quiet and both men took the next question.
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[FONT=&amp]“It kind of made me angry because once he said that, everything changed. Right then and there,” Kendra told FOX19NOW.
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[FONT=&amp]“As far as I know, there was marijuana there. As much as they’re saying, I don’t believe so,” Kendra said.
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[FONT=&amp]The attorney general has never given a quantity of drugs he said his agents found at three of the four crime scenes. It wasn’t until later that DeWine’s office classified the “grow operation” as “commercial.” [/FONT][FONT=&amp]Investigators have not provided photographs of the marijuana or any of the evidence to show some of the victims had commercial grow operations on their property. [/FONT][FONT=&amp]KR2, and many others in her family, don’t believe the amount of marijuana investigators said they found at the properties was anything near a commercial grow operation. (3)[/FONT]

Ohio Weed Laws Broken Down
(1) http://norml.org/pdf_files/state_penalties/NORML_OH_State_Penalties.pdf

(2) Death In The Foothills 10/15/2016 (KR2 re; KR growing weed)
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

(3) Cartel Speculation Rebutted by Family
http://www.fox19.com/story/33446144/pike-county-drug-cartel-speculation-were-wearing-that-label-now

 

[amauet1]

A letter dated Jan. 12 from the Ohio Attorney General to Rhoden's brother-in-law David Weisel states "there is a preponderance of evidence that Christopher Rhoden, Sr. was cultivating felony quantities of marijuana within ten years prior to the crime."

But they also say the small grow operation wasn't the reason they were killed. So it was a preponderance of evidence that felony amounts of marijuana was being grown in quantities too small to cause them to get murdered? I guess that does sound like something DeWine would say about this case...

and that would indicate that the "grows" started while Clarence Sr was alive, didn't he die in 2008? Hmm....wonder if CRsr and KR started the business, or was it already there? All of Clarence's land was left to the children, and all the women of the family sold their shares to CRsr. When both he and KR passed that land went to the other two brother's, it does not go to grandchildren.

 

[Betty P]

The most puzzling thing about all the MJ grow op allegations is that none of the victims had been arrested for selling MJ (or any illegal substance for that matter). How would they know CR1, GR or KR had been selling it? Just by the amount of MJ they allegedly found?

LE later said they determined the cars were not stolen and that the family wasn't involved in cockfighting. So how did they know they were selling MJ? And why was this such a sticking point with them? If they were killed due to some small time MJ deal gone wrong, they should have arrested the killers by now. When the state was already working hard to legalize MJ and got a law passed soon after the murders, why were they so outraged at the murder victims for having a small to moderate sized grow op?

And why didn't they show at least some evidence of this grow op, as they do routinely with similar cases?

 

[Betty P]

and that would indicate that the "grows" started while Clarence Sr was alive, didn't he die in 2008? Hmm....wonder if CRsr and KR started the business, or was it already there? All of Clarence's land was left to the children, and all the women of the family sold their shares to CRsr. When both he and KR passed that land went to the other two brother's, it does not go to grandchildren.

I think they're just quoting the text of the law there. It doesn't necessarily mean the family had been growing it for that amount of time. Just a guess, I could be wrong.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I think we can say that the targets, maybe the targets, were CRsr, CRjr, and HR. When reading the results, the "serous" cavities of all the other victims, except for these 3, had no fluid in this area. The 2 CR's had that whole area almost all blocked out. This sort of points to fluid and damage. HR had 300 ml "serosanguineous fluid" in the right hemithorax and 200 ml in the left. She also had a "foam cap" at the lips. Perhaps from the upper body trauma?

I'll drop all this, but, when you look at the stomach contents, it's like they all had some amount (50 - 500 ml) of a tan/orange tan/green tan liquid/fluid in their stomachs. No mention of any food, except in DR, but, it was just 50 ml with some white food "fragments". HG had 400 ml of "tan granular fluid".

HR - - - 200 ml of _________*
CRjr.- - - 100 ml of _________ *
CRsr.- - - 100 ml orange/tan fluid
FR - - - 500 ml of _________*
DR - - - 50 ml of tan fluid w/white food fragments
HG - - - 400 ml of tan granular fluid
GR - - - 250 ml of green/tan fluid
KR - - - 50 ml of light tan fluid

* That's how the autopsy results had it. Maybe they ID'd it because it was obvious?

Seems they all had a drink before bed.

I'm pretty sure someone on here mentioned that perhaps a relative or close friend visited under the ruse of visiting and talking/having a drink or a shot with them. (Not to be confused with BEING shot).
For KR - there's approx. 50 ml to a shot of liquor. Maybe a shot of Jack with a "friend".

500 ml is about 16 oz. 2 Cups A pint.
250 ml is about a cup. 1/2 pint.
50 ml is a shot glass/jigger.

Just weird.

 

[rsd1200]

Found the video mentioned in my post #695.

Reporter asks @8:42: Were the Rs involved in any illegal or illicit activity? Dewine: I'm not gonna comment on that.

Reporter asks @15:21: Did they, during their investigation, and their searches of the crime scenes, if discovere any evidence of marijuana grow operations (someone tipped the press off, I'm betting, as he's specific to weed now). Reader: I'm not gonna comment on that.

@15:06: Dewine brings up the $25k reward, available to anyone who assists in solving the case.
@20:23, Red shirt lady comes into frame, and @21:00 approaches, and shows a paper to, Reader. Reader defers to DeWine. @21:30 Dewine speaks to press about grow ops.

April 24, 2016, Dewine/Reader Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuIxUnk8gmo

April 28, 2016
Jeff Ruby has rescinded his $25,000 reward in connection to the murders. Ruby made the announcement on Twitter, saying "With recent complex criminal developments in Pike Co case, we are withdrawing our reward and involvement. Grieving and praying for family."
https://www.10tv.com/article/cincinnati-businessman-pulls-25k-reward-pike-co-murders