OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[MittenScarpetta]

Thank-you,I read each of your messages and I only hope some day I can return your thoughtfulness & kindness.:heart:

I subscribe to Chris Graves Tweets investigative reporter for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Bob Strickley is the investigative reporter at Fox 19 & he did a sit down video on the Rhoden Case on April 23,2018. He indicated to Chris that this was the latest update he had on the investigation. I was quite impressed that two competitors were so supportive & collaborate in the pursuit of finding justice for the Rhoden's

Link
Update on The Pike County Murders (this is from April 23,2018 but I had not listened to it.)
http://www.fox19.com/Clip/14293217/update-on-the-pike-county-murders#.WvDJ--4YDhw.email

The main thing I came away from listening to his comments were the investigators are down to basically two theories and the (laser ) focus is on the Wagner's in Alaska.

I was impressed with his sincerity he repeated he made a promise to the family to continue on seeking justice for the Rhoden's.

Perhaps some one else could listen and see if I missed something?

:cow:

First, a huge thank you to the media outlets and their investigative journalists who have stayed on top of this case from the start. If it weren’t for them, this horrible, unfathomable cold blooded massacre would have long ago been forgotten by most of the public.

MizStery-I heard the same as you. It’s interesting that there’s two theories that remain. My best guess would be that it’s a combination of the two. That of course is just my thoughts. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was tension over land or the acquiring of land. And I stated my theory a few pages back about how I believe it was a series of events that lead to that fatal night. I have a hard time looking past the W’s for what they are. While AW may be suave on social media, depicting a “perfect” life on the farm on social media prior to the murders, it’s easy to see through that. Usually those who try to portray a perfect life are living quite the opposite. There’s a lot of proof in public land records & businesses mixed with word of mouth to show that all was not as it seemed.

There’s a saying I often think of “I’d rather be broke with a good heart than rich with bad intentions”

All JMO.

 

[Dudly]

Thank-you,I read each of your messages and I only hope some day I can return your thoughtfulness & kindness.:heart:

I subscribe to Chris Graves Tweets investigative reporter for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Bob Strickley is the investigative reporter at Fox 19 & he did a sit down video on the Rhoden Case on April 23,2018. He indicated to Chris that this was the latest update he had on the investigation. I was quite impressed that two competitors were so supportive & collaborate in the pursuit of finding justice for the Rhoden's

Link
Update on The Pike County Murders (this is from April 23,2018 but I had not listened to it.)
http://www.fox19.com/Clip/14293217/update-on-the-pike-county-murders#.WvDJ--4YDhw.email

The main thing I came away from listening to his comments were the investigators are down to basically two theories and the (laser ) focus is on the Wagner's in Alaska.

I was impressed with his sincerity he repeated he made a promise to the family to continue on seeking justice for the Rhoden's.

Perhaps some one else could listen and see if I missed something?

:cow:

I have read a couple times now that DeWine uses that "laser focus" comment a lot and that it may not mean as much as it sounds like it does... It is more of a cliche with him....

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I have read a couple times now that DeWine uses that "laser focus" comment a lot and that it may not mean as much as it sounds like it does... It is more of a cliche with him....

He’s said it in regards to other cases?

 

[Dudly]

He’s said it in regards to other cases?

It was just noted that he uses the term a lot when he discusses things...

 

[MittenScarpetta]

It was just noted that he uses the term a lot when he discusses things...

Okay. I misunderstood you. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Dudly]

He’s said it in regards to other cases?

Here in the same article it says: “We’re not really labeling them,” DeWine said in an interview with this newsroom. “But we are saying we want to have the public focus on these four individuals.”
“I would say that we are focused on them at this point like a laser,” DeWine told KTVA, WHIO’s Anchorage affiliate.
“The individuals in question are not wanted,” the department posted on Facebook. “There are no warrants for their arrest, and no law enforcement agency needs to speak to them at this time.”

It went from them not being labeled, to having the public focus on them, to “I would say that we are focused on them at this point like a laser,”
But yet, it says “There are no warrants for their arrest, and no law enforcement agency needs to speak to them at this time.”
None of it means much without any reasoning given for the comments...

https://www.whio.com/news/crime--la...r-focus-alaska-family/huE1sy85q1dHxgOx9mtKoI/

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Here in the same article it says: “We’re not really labeling them,” DeWine said in an interview with this newsroom. “But we are saying we want to have the public focus on these four individuals.”
“I would say that we are focused on them at this point like a laser,” DeWine told KTVA, WHIO’s Anchorage affiliate.
“The individuals in question are not wanted,” the department posted on Facebook. “There are no warrants for their arrest, and no law enforcement agency needs to speak to them at this time.”

It went from them not being labeled, to having the public focus on them, to “I would say that we are focused on them at this point like a laser,”
But yet, it says “There are no warrants for their arrest, and no law enforcement agency needs to speak to them at this time.”
None of it means much without any reasoning given for the comments...

https://www.whio.com/news/crime--la...r-focus-alaska-family/huE1sy85q1dHxgOx9mtKoI/

I agree, none of it means much without any comments. That’s what I don’t understand. Why publicly make the comments about being laser focused or looking at these 4 individuals? Or make a public plea telling the world hey these four peoples hauled azz out of small town Ohio all the way to Alaska? What’s the purpose of that without releasing more? Is it make them sweat?

 

[molly1255]

I agree, none of it means much without any comments. That’s what I don’t understand. Why publicly make the comments about being laser focused or looking at these 4 individuals? Or make a public plea telling the world hey these four peoples hauled azz out of small town Ohio all the way to Alaska? What’s the purpose of that without releasing more? Is it make them sweat?

At the time he said this, I thought he was trying to scare the W's into talking. He may have also been hoping that someone who knew them would call with some important tip. Now, I don't know what to think!

 

[Nickandnora]

At the time he said this, I thought he was trying to scare the W's into talking. He may have also been hoping that someone who knew them would call with some important tip. Now, I don't know what to think!

Or he might of been trying to make the killers feel a bit more at ease, and one of them slip up.

 

[Betty P]

Here in the same article it says: “We’re not really labeling them,” DeWine said in an interview with this newsroom. “But we are saying we want to have the public focus on these four individuals.”
“I would say that we are focused on them at this point like a laser,” DeWine told KTVA, WHIO’s Anchorage affiliate.
“The individuals in question are not wanted,” the department posted on Facebook. “There are no warrants for their arrest, and no law enforcement agency needs to speak to them at this time.”

It went from them not being labeled, to having the public focus on them, to “I would say that we are focused on them at this point like a laser,”
But yet, it says “There are no warrants for their arrest, and no law enforcement agency needs to speak to them at this time.”
None of it means much without any reasoning given for the comments...

https://www.whio.com/news/crime--la...r-focus-alaska-family/huE1sy85q1dHxgOx9mtKoI/

These are DeWine's comments from over 1 yr ago. He refused to make any comments this year on the second anniversary of the murders, most likely because he's running for governor and doesn't want to remind the public that he was in charge of that investigation.

Pike Co Prosecutor Junk's statements to the media this year are really the only official ones we have to work with. His statements are in some ways more specific than DeWine's last year, reiterating focus on the AK family and pretty much saying all they need is some more evidence.

JMO, 2 yrs later, their statements mean they didnt focus on the W family until last year. By then, they were ready to or had moved to AK. Most evidence was gone. They screwed up by focusing on Manleys and other close family members until, after arresting pretty much everyone in Pike County and questioning them in the GJ, they realized the Ws were the link to the killers.

DeWine wants to distance himself from the case now. He basically hid from the news media that entire week of the anniversary. Reader hid, too. Both of them hiding on the 2nd anniversary is pretty much what it looks like - people who messed up an investigation, may not be able to ever prosecute killers and are avoiding the public.

Reader is stuck, along with Junk. If the state decides to pull the plug on funding (and they're probably going to do that if they haven't already) Pike Co has no real money to pursue further investigation. I doubt anyone is working on the case now because they know who did it but can't or wont take it to court.

Best solution is to put someone new in charge of the investigation, preferably an outsider. Reader and Junk should go to the feds for help and money. The state has walked away and left them hanging. Might as well call a Congressperson or Senator and ask for help.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

4 hours away from Piketon.

http://fox59.com/2018/05/02/authorities-to-discuss-drug-related-raids-in-kokomo/

Prosecutors say Jamal Williamson and Sira Qadir were hired as hitmen and paid $7,500 to murder someone they thought stole money from the group, although that killing never took place.

Just found this interesting.

 

[coastal]

These are DeWine's comments from over 1 yr ago. He refused to make any comments this year on the second anniversary of the murders, most likely because he's running for governor and doesn't want to remind the public that he was in charge of that investigation.

Pike Co Prosecutor Junk's statements to the media this year are really the only official ones we have to work with. His statements are in some ways more specific than DeWine's last year, reiterating focus on the AK family and pretty much saying all they need is some more evidence.

JMO, 2 yrs later, their statements mean they didnt focus on the W family until last year. By then, they were ready to or had moved to AK. Most evidence was gone. They screwed up by focusing on Manleys and other close family members until, after arresting pretty much everyone in Pike County and questioning them in the GJ, they realized the Ws were the link to the killers.

DeWine wants to distance himself from the case now. He basically hid from the news media that entire week of the anniversary. Reader hid, too. Both of them hiding on the 2nd anniversary is pretty much what it looks like - people who messed up an investigation, may not be able to ever prosecute killers and are avoiding the public.

Reader is stuck, along with Junk. If the state decides to pull the plug on funding (and they're probably going to do that if they haven't already) Pike Co has no real money to pursue further investigation. I doubt anyone is working on the case now because they know who did it but can't or wont take it to court.

Best solution is to put someone new in charge of the investigation, preferably an outsider. Reader and Junk should go to the feds for help and money. The state has walked away and left them hanging. Might as well call a Congressperson or Senator and ask for help.

When I worked for a major health insurance company, whenever a Congressional Inquiry hit our department, everything else came to a screeching halt
until the issue was resolved. We usually researched and re-processed high-dollar hospital claims and disputes, but those mult-million dollar issues were set aside until the congressional issue was completed to everyone's satisfaction, signed by all of the bosses, and mailed off as Certified Mail. Once, my Director hand delivered them to the Congressman in question (I had to lug 6 boxes of documentation downstairs to his new Lexus.)

Nothing motivates like a Congressional Inquiry, IME. I sure a Senator would get equal, or better results!

 

[rsd1200]

If the elder Ws were so doting, and everyone got along, then why didn't everything work out while the Ws were living on the elder Ws land? Why not just continue to live there? Were they paying high rent? AW had a teaching degree, but I don't think she ever taught for pay, what did GW3 do? Show mini ponies? The boys had good credit from what I've gathered, their parents did not, again, just from what I've seen from scratching the surface on that. FWIW GR appears to have had a much better credit rating than the adult Ws and he appeared to own no land.

The piece of the elder's land that the Ws lived on in the early 90s, around the time the boys were born, looks much the same now as it did then.

They move around '95 just around the corner, and still on the parents' land. Then, in Feb. 2014, the boys make the leap to Peterson. Mom and Dad W, move with them, or later moved in with them. Did the boys buy Peterson to start their new families, on their own? Then the parents, moved in too? What young wife/fiance would want all that going on? Maybe they were hoping the boys were finally breaking away, only to find that the parents followed them. So they just split. The adult Ws have never owned any land in their names, not that I've found, anyway.

The land on some of these farms, has just been chopped to pieces. No way I'd buy a lot. Not even on the perimeter. There looks to be absolutely no planning whatsoever and you could actually become landlocked, or so it appears. Of course, with land contracts, it seems few people ever succeed at owning those parcels anyway. The Ws are not the only duck in the pond doing this. Seems to be more than one, and one, a duck just as big, or bigger, and he's an old man now, also.

Land is a big thing. It holds strong ties. For those who don't have a lot of money, it means stability to have their own piece of land. It's why folks hang on so tight to family land. They won't hardly part with it, because if you own a piece of land, you can do okay during the bad times. It's also why some will give land contracts a shot, if the banks turn them away, because of that dream of owning their own little piece of land, is so strong. Land inheritance, like any other kind, can also cause friction in a family. Just some leftover thoughts from some digging, while my insomnia drags on.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

If the elder Ws were so doting, and everyone got along, then why didn't everything work out while the Ws were living on the elder Ws land? Why not just continue to live there? Were they paying high rent? AW had a teaching degree, but I don't think she ever taught for pay, what did GW3 do? Show mini ponies? The boys had good credit from what I've gathered, their parents did not, again, just from what I've seen from scratching the surface on that. FWIW GR appears to have had a much better credit rating than the adult Ws and he appeared to own no land.

The piece of the elder's land that the Ws lived on in the early 90s, around the time the boys were born, looks much the same now as it did then.

They move around '95 just around the corner, and still on the parents' land. Then, in Feb. 2014, the boys make the leap to Peterson. Mom and Dad W, move with them, or later moved in with them. Did the boys buy Peterson to start their new families, on their own? Then the parents, moved in too? What young wife/fiance would want all that going on? Maybe they were hoping the boys were finally breaking away, only to find that the parents followed them. So they just split. The adult Ws have never owned any land in their names, not that I've found, anyway.

The land on some of these farms, has just been chopped to pieces. No way I'd buy a lot. Not even on the perimeter. There looks to be absolutely no planning whatsoever and you could actually become landlocked, or so it appears. Of course, with land contracts, it seems few people ever succeed at owning those parcels anyway. The Ws are not the only duck in the pond doing this. Seems to be more than one, and one, a duck just as big, or bigger, and he's an old man now, also.

Land is a big thing. It holds strong ties. For those who don't have a lot of money, it means stability to have their own piece of land. It's why folks hang on so tight to family land. They won't hardly part with it, because if you own a piece of land, you can do okay during the bad times. It's also why some will give land contracts a shot, if the banks turn them away, because of that dream of owning their own little piece of land, is so strong. Land inheritance, like any other kind, can also cause friction in a family. Just some leftover thoughts from some digging, while my insomnia drags on.

Very interesting. There’s some odd things going on. And it’s like it’s all right in front of our faces but we can’t see the picture. One person who discovered the final crime scene also seems to be partaking on the handling of rental properties. I dont know what it means yet, but it’s WEIRD.

 

[Dudly]

Steven King couldn't dream up a plot as twisted as this case is twisted...

 

[Betty P]

4 hours away from Piketon.

http://fox59.com/2018/05/02/authorities-to-discuss-drug-related-raids-in-kokomo/



Just found this interesting.

Also of note "local, state and federal authorities". Federal charges, You dont usually see that in Pike Co.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Steven King couldn't dream up a plot as twisted as this case is twisted...

He really couldn’t. It’s hard to make sense of all of it. Like how?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

If the elder Ws were so doting, and everyone got along, then why didn't everything work out while the Ws were living on the elder Ws land? Why not just continue to live there? Were they paying high rent? AW had a teaching degree, but I don't think she ever taught for pay, what did GW3 do? Show mini ponies? The boys had good credit from what I've gathered, their parents did not, again, just from what I've seen from scratching the surface on that. FWIW GR appears to have had a much better credit rating than the adult Ws and he appeared to own no land.

The piece of the elder's land that the Ws lived on in the early 90s, around the time the boys were born, looks much the same now as it did then.

They move around '95 just around the corner, and still on the parents' land. Then, in Feb. 2014, the boys make the leap to Peterson. Mom and Dad W, move with them, or later moved in with them. Did the boys buy Peterson to start their new families, on their own? Then the parents, moved in too? What young wife/fiance would want all that going on? Maybe they were hoping the boys were finally breaking away, only to find that the parents followed them. So they just split. The adult Ws have never owned any land in their names, not that I've found, anyway.

The land on some of these farms, has just been chopped to pieces. No way I'd buy a lot. Not even on the perimeter. There looks to be absolutely no planning whatsoever and you could actually become landlocked, or so it appears. Of course, with land contracts, it seems few people ever succeed at owning those parcels anyway. The Ws are not the only duck in the pond doing this. Seems to be more than one, and one, a duck just as big, or bigger, and he's an old man now, also.

Land is a big thing. It holds strong ties. For those who don't have a lot of money, it means stability to have their own piece of land. It's why folks hang on so tight to family land. They won't hardly part with it, because if you own a piece of land, you can do okay during the bad times. It's also why some will give land contracts a shot, if the banks turn them away, because of that dream of owning their own little piece of land, is so strong. Land inheritance, like any other kind, can also cause friction in a family. Just some leftover thoughts from some digging, while my insomnia drags on.

Just to touch on this a bit more as I find it extremely strange that two grown men would still want to live with their parents. Or vice versa.

I’m sure many of us have kids on here. I do. While I adore my two sons and treasure being the one to raise them, I also look forward to the day I get to watch them be grown men. With their own families. In their own houses. Doing their own laundry. Paying their own bills. Cleaning up their own messes. While I then live life as well. IMO, I get the impression that perhaps AW will never cut the cord and she likes control.

 

[Betty P]

When I worked for a major health insurance company, whenever a Congressional Inquiry hit our department, everything else came to a screeching halt
until the issue was resolved. We usually researched and re-processed high-dollar hospital claims and disputes, but those mult-million dollar issues were set aside until the congressional issue was completed to everyone's satisfaction, signed by all of the bosses, and mailed off as Certified Mail. Once, my Director hand delivered them to the Congressman in question (I had to lug 6 boxes of documentation downstairs to his new Lexus.)

Nothing motivates like a Congressional Inquiry, IME. I sure a Senator would get equal, or better results!

If only we could get one interested. One wouldnt want to make DeWine look bad, the other, I dont know. There was a time when he would have checked into it but hes changed a lot

 

[amauet1]

Steven King couldn't dream up a plot as twisted as this case is twisted...

But most of his stories are based in Maine, could you see AG and Sheriff with those accents! LOL! An Yep