OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[rsd1200]

From the photos at the link above, the church looks like it's still very well maintained and being used by someone who isn't a member of the family. As for not coming back for a parent's funeral, it could be they risked being detained and questioned by LE. Maybe the whole point of moving far away was to avoid being called in to testify in the Grand Jury or something similar. Coming back to that jurisdiction could be a problem.

That's sorta what I meant. Yes, I agree that the church is well maintained and it's being used by someone. It may serve dual purposes.

 

[rsd1200]

OMG, they don't breed horses like they do "pure breed" dogs, when their breeding for just profit do they? Cause "prue breed" dogs get breeded with their parents, brothers, sister's, etc. It causes terrible health issues with the animals, not to mention defeats. It's incest and cruel.

If done properly, by someone who does it to secure the breed, and improve it and keep it for what it was originally bred to do, dog breeders improve the lines. Never buy a puppy out of the trunk of the car, or, over the internet, or from a pet shop. If you want a purebred dog for a particular reason, research, and get a proven breeder. With that said, they were creating breeds, or rather "mutts" and, basically, mixed breed horses. They would have been grade horses in the old days, unless one parent had been approved for registry through their bloodline, because of a specific lineage (Arabians were one). They'd then have a partial registry. However, the Ws created this breed out of at least two different breeds, then, they created their own registry. That way folks could register these horses and foals under the Internatial GG Horse Registery, for example, and the fee would go to the Ws. Probably the same with their "pocket beagles". They're just beagles inbred to be short. If they've done nothing else, but this, I find them distasteful. There are already horses who can do what they want they bred these horses to do, why create a new breed? To sell a neat new "unique" animal for thousands of dollars.

 

[rsd1200]

That one shot has never sat well with me. I don’t meant that in any type of vicious context. It makes me wonder if the killers hung out longer after they shot him, to be certain he was gone. Perhaps, they didn’t feel as rushed at KR’s house because it was a little more secluded. Or it could go the other way though, they could’ve been rushed, thus only one shot fired.

The other 7 victims having so many shots to the head has always spoken to me that the person behind the trigger, wanted to make sure there was no chance of survival and that the killers couldn’t be identified by a possible surviving victim. I feel like it’s common knowledge that almost any gunshot to the head is fatal. Chances of surviving one shot are slim to none. Why shoot everyone so many times in the head??

Your theories are spot on, btw. Makes so much sense.

This is gonna get a bit graphic. Not all shots to the head are fatal, if they had a small caliber, semi, pistol, they may have just popped them off real quick, to be sure. Also, iirc, on some of the autopsies, the tongue portion was redacted. This makes me wonder if they put the barrel in those victim's mouths, for the first shot, and maybe subsequent shots. Firearm in the mouth, if you move, I kill your entire family. Then does it anyway. It has been studied, and I'm recalling from memory, that if a person shoots themselves and puts a firearm in their mouth, the tongue is down, if someone else puts the firearm in their mouth, the victim will automatically raise their tongue, making the bullet pierce the tongue.

 

[rsd1200]

They do let you change your newborn for photos. However, most hospitals have stopped allowing any outside clothing until the baby is discharged. They actually started using one piece swaddlers on newborns, which have a barcode identifier on the outside of the swaddler that matches the ID band.

Now this was two years ago, and in Pike County, Ohio, and in Appalachia, Ky., where mine was born. I was there for the duration. I'm pretty rural here and my last one in 2016, was born at a little bigger hospital, in our region, and they were not in place here, at that time. Some of the poorer counties don't catch up as quick. I don't think we have barcoded swaddlers here, even now, just yet.

 

[Dudly]

I looked back at some old pictures this evening, Dana’s front door for sure had a deadbolt. How does one get thru a deadbolt (if locked) without kicking a door in or doing some fancy scene in the movies trick to pop the lock out? (The lock doesn’t looked damaged, at least from the pic)

She may have left the door unlocked expecting CR1 to show up after she got off work.

 

[Dudly]

This is gonna get a bit graphic. Not all shots to the head are fatal, if they had a small caliber, semi, pistol, they may have just popped them off real quick, to be sure. Also, iirc, on some of the autopsies, the tongue portion was redacted. This makes me wonder if they put the barrel in those victim's mouths, for the first shot, and maybe subsequent shots. Firearm in the mouth, if you move, I kill your entire family. Then does it anyway. It has been studied, and I'm recalling from memory, that if a person shoots themselves and puts a firearm in their mouth, the tongue is down, if someone else puts the firearm in their mouth, the victim will automatically raise their tongue, making the bullet pierce the tongue.

Years ago there was a drug related turf war in an area of Dayton, Ohio. One guy was shot nine times. To prove they couldn't get rid of him that easy, or intimidate him, he was back in that neighborhood the next night. It was said that he felt safer on the street than in a hospital where he had no way to defend himself.

I have thought GR was shot first and CR1 was coming down the hall to see what was going on. They started firing wildly to get him stopped before he got to the shooter(s). CR1 may have been shooting back. He may have even hit someone. We just do not know....

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I missed that one. The one that I think that the Ws are connected to in AK, iirc, is a KJV based, teaching, church. They see the KJV as being the truly inspired version of the Bible, from what I gather. I may be incorrect though.

4th & 6th pic from the very beginning I haven’t dont much looking at the AK church, but I will soon.

 

[altojack]

Some very interesting reading about FW and her horses dogs and pigs. Several issues involving fraudulent advertising and using someone else's photo of their dogs, FW claiming they were hers.

internet breaking up so can't see more but there's been issues going back to 1990s. One way to make money if you can get away with it.

 

[Dudly]

Some very interesting reading about FW and her horses dogs and pigs. Several issues involving fraudulent advertising and using someone else's photo of their dogs, FW claiming they were hers.

internet breaking up so can't see more but there's been issues going back to 1990s. One way to make money if you can get away with it.

I remember a woman from Florida that was importing an animal from South America for $25 ea.. She was selling them for $2000-$3000 if you signed an agreement to not sell offspring for less than her price. And, of course, people were buying them...

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I remember a woman from Florida that was importing an animal from South America for $25 ea.. She was selling them for $2000-$3000 if you signed an agreement to not sell offspring for less than her price. And, of course, people were buying them...

Sounds pretty similar to something I read about a southern Ohio breeder doing that with mastiffs. Brings lots of lawsuits and highly illegal.

 

[MizStery]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but we've discussed this discrepancy before. Please do a favor for all and update the information with links into the timeline in the Media & Timelines thread so everyone remembers this information. It's a long and complicated case, so it helps to keep refreshing our memories so we don't repeat ourselves anymore than necessary. TIA. Reminder: Always include links in timelines.

This post by dudly is what made me sit up and pay attention to the obvious inconsistencies in JW statements.

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This is one of those deals where what constitutes a "dispute"? A disagreement? A screaming match? Physical threat? Legal action threat? We don't know how serious it was for sure and I'm sure opinions would differ depending who described it. JW, I think, said it was to make the joint custody arrangement legal. She may not have wanted to do that for various reasonsThe only thing I've wondered about is who had his daughter the week prior. One reporter says HR brought her to JW's house the Friday prior. He said in an interview he picked her up the night before the murders. Which is correct and why the discrepancy? The reporter could have been in error and he may have wanted to make it sound more exciting on his part. I'm not sure we will ever which is correct for sure. If you want to claim the W's were involved in the murders, then you will say he lied.But in the long run, none of the above may have anything to do with why it happened or who did it...[/FONT][/FONT]

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I think this illustrates why 'repetition' causes so much frustration on the thread.

As in all our 'real lives' there are sober events we deal with. My husband recently passed after a 3 year courageous battle with a brain tumor. My processing has been iffy. This is to say my tracking is off the rails. :trainwreck:

I can can honestly say I do not remember discussing that discrepancy ). Dudly post is what motivated me to string the versions of the date. It was then I noted it was AW who revised the events in 2017.AW needed to distance JW from previous statements made that he retrieved SW & missed by hours the Rhoden's slaughter at ground zero of the CS.

I do understand why in 32 threads even the most devoted followers miss discussions and seem to be not paying attention.

I am only posting this so even if 'frustrating' discussions do get more :deadhorse: than most would prefer.

:cow:

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[MittenScarpetta]

This post by dudly is what made me sit up and pay attention to the obvious inconsistencies in JW statements.
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I think this illustrates why 'repetition' causes so much frustration on the thread.

As in all our 'real lives' there are sober events we deal with. My husband recently passed after a 3 year courageous battle with a brain tumor. My processing has been iffy. This is to say my tracking is off the rails. :trainwreck:

I can can honestly say I do not remember discussing that discrepancy ). Dudly post is what motivated me to string the versions of the date. It was then I noted it was AW who revised the events in 2017.AW needed to distance JW from previous statements made that he retrieved SW & missed by hours the Rhoden's slaughter at ground zero of the CS.

I do understand why in 32 threads even the most devoted followers miss discussions and seem to be not paying attention.

I am only posting this so even if 'frustrating' discussions do get more :deadhorse: than most would prefer.

:cow:

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Thank you! And I am so sorry for the loss of your husband :hugs:

 

[rsd1200]

4th & 6th pic from the very beginning I haven’t dont much looking at the AK church, but I will soon.

Do you mean this link, below? I think that this is the church, and it sits just down the lane/driveway past the Crystal Springs Home. I'm not seeing the Bibles though. The home, and the church, are both held under a Lucasville Mission Realty LLC. There are land contracts, with other folks, that are held under another, realty LLC, that the elders set up. I think that this is done, so that if anyone, for example, gets drunk and injures themselves, while visiting the renters/land contract holders, and they realize they can't get anything out of them, they can only go after the LLC, not the elder Ws, nor Flying W Farms. See 2nd link below.

Crystal Springs
https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...b0c67!8m2!3d38.9932905!4d-83.1095214?hl=en-us


From Landlordology.com

The main reason people set up LLCs is to protect their personal assets. An LLC shields you personally from being sued, though your company could still face litigation.


For example, your tenant’s drunken friend falls down the stairs and got hurt. You’re the big pocket in this scenario.

https://www.landlordology.com/landlord-rental-llc-limited-liability-company/

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

This post by dudly is what made me sit up and pay attention to the obvious inconsistencies in JW statements.
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I think this illustrates why 'repetition' causes so much frustration on the thread.

As in all our 'real lives' there are sober events we deal with. My husband recently passed after a 3 year courageous battle with a brain tumor. My processing has been iffy. This is to say my tracking is off the rails. :trainwreck:

I can can honestly say I do not remember discussing that discrepancy ). Dudly post is what motivated me to string the versions of the date. It was then I noted it was AW who revised the events in 2017.AW needed to distance JW from previous statements made that he retrieved SW & missed by hours the Rhoden's slaughter at ground zero of the CS.

I do understand why in 32 threads even the most devoted followers miss discussions and seem to be not paying attention.

I am only posting this so even if 'frustrating' discussions do get more :deadhorse: than most would prefer.

:cow:

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MizStery, I’m so sorry for the loss of your husband. I’ve loosely followed this thread since the beginning and I honestly can’t remember if I’ve ever posted, or what I said if I did. Thirty-two threads is an avalanche of posts, at least 32,000 of them.

You’re fine, and I, for one, appreciate your posts. Even the repetition of catching up new followers, though sometimes frustrating, helps keep this thread and the case alive and in the public eye. Thank you. ❤️

 

[altojack]

I remember a woman from Florida that was importing an animal from South America for $25 ea.. She was selling them for $2000-$3000 if you signed an agreement to not sell offspring for less than her price. And, of course, people were buying them...

Seems in FWs case she had web page with pictures of her dogs, the American Mastiffs. Only they weren't AM and they weren't even her dogs. Found on a Mastiff forum, people up in arms as it wasn't the first time she had done it.

Then the pot bellied pigs, sold but the females failed to get pregnant and males failed to hav3 swimmers. In those instances she was taken to court. I just googled FW of Flying W farm, hey presto.

No wonder folk were angry, she was charging a high price but pigs no good.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Crystal Springs Home, Inc is a licensed facility. Seems like on their last compliance report, they had some problems

http://providersearch.dodd.ohio.gov...2&LinkId=5C61FB4F-4443-431D-8650-3C19CC3DCA7D

Provider failed to ensure restrictive measures addressed and
approved by the HCR. Provider is currently using an
unapproved restrictive strategy by using a baby monitor and a
motion sensor in the kitchen area to observe individuals out of
view of staff.
Both monitoring devices were removed from the kitchen
during the review

Some employees had criminal records, said to be from a long time ago.

Provider didn't do background checks on employees

They are a licensed facility

http://providersearch.dodd.ohio.gov...2&LinkID=5C61FB4F-4443-431D-8650-3C19CC3DCA7D

Assume that means they can administer prescription drugs to patients

http://providersearch.dodd.ohio.gov/provider_results.aspx?providerID=6006362

And the church is right nearby

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=e...sAF1QipPN-wmoYLruTVhe6w7suVvxP0a87qeOCm96Uoqx

Do you mean this link, below? I think that this is the church, and it sits just down the lane/driveway past the Crystal Springs Home. I'm not seeing the Bibles though. The home, and the church, are both held under a Lucasville Mission Realty LLC. There are land contracts, with other folks, that are held under another, realty LLC, that the elders set up. I think that this is done, so that if anyone, for example, gets drunk and injures themselves, while visiting the renters/land contract holders, and they realize they can't get anything out of them, they can only go after the LLC, not the elder Ws, nor Flying W Farms. See 2nd link below.

Crystal Springs
https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...b0c67!8m2!3d38.9932905!4d-83.1095214?hl=en-us


From Landlordology.com


https://www.landlordology.com/landlord-rental-llc-limited-liability-company/

No, the last link in Betty’s post here.

 

[MizStery]

Thank you! And I am so sorry for the loss of your husband :hugs:

I have so much affection for Websleuths. It has salvation in coping with the last three years,

Oh, I have spoke to many members here of the challenges that life inevitably thrusts on us.

If you ever want a peek inside your subconscious and get a 'laugh to boot'.

Try watching a special on a Websleuths case you live and breath.Oh, it's also your wedding anniversary; your cooking a nice meal ;when out of the blue your husband informs you he has a urinary infection it is now Sunday 9pm ;dinner is done there is 10 minutes to go on your program & 'pow' you need to go to the emgency room. I did the sensible thing I put dinner in the frig ;finished the program and ran for my car keys to go to hospital. I still laugh that darn special program was 'so critical' to my well being that I made my poor husband (our anniversary)wait until it was over to drive him to the hospital.

When I say Websleuths has been my salvation I mean it. So many gosh. I cannot name them all but Betty P was so caring to me I will never forget her kindness.Thanks Betty P .

:cow:

 

[Betty P]

This post by dudly is what made me sit up and pay attention to the obvious inconsistencies in JW statements.
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I think this illustrates why 'repetition' causes so much frustration on the thread.

As in all our 'real lives' there are sober events we deal with. My husband recently passed after a 3 year courageous battle with a brain tumor. My processing has been iffy. This is to say my tracking is off the rails. :trainwreck:

I can can honestly say I do not remember discussing that discrepancy ). Dudly post is what motivated me to string the versions of the date. It was then I noted it was AW who revised the events in 2017.AW needed to distance JW from previous statements made that he retrieved SW & missed by hours the Rhoden's slaughter at ground zero of the CS.

I do understand why in 32 threads even the most devoted followers miss discussions and seem to be not paying attention.

I am only posting this so even if 'frustrating' discussions do get more :deadhorse: than most would prefer.

:cow:

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So sorry to hear about your husband. Don't worry, we all make mistakes in this forum. The investigation drags on so long, people forget what they've read and discussed already.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

So sorry to hear about your husband. Don't worry, we all make mistakes in this forum. The investigation drags on so long, people forget what they've read and discussed already.

That’s my # 1 problem-I’ve taken in way too much information from various forums mixed with very little fact or pieced together facts from media. It’s frustrating.

 

[rsd1200]

This post by dudly is what made me sit up and pay attention to the obvious inconsistencies in JW statements.
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I think this illustrates why 'repetition' causes so much frustration on the thread.

As in all our 'real lives' there are sober events we deal with. My husband recently passed after a 3 year courageous battle with a brain tumor. My processing has been iffy. This is to say my tracking is off the rails. :trainwreck:

I can can honestly say I do not remember discussing that discrepancy ). Dudly post is what motivated me to string the versions of the date. It was then I noted it was AW who revised the events in 2017.AW needed to distance JW from previous statements made that he retrieved SW & missed by hours the Rhoden's slaughter at ground zero of the CS.

I do understand why in 32 threads even the most devoted followers miss discussions and seem to be not paying attention.

I am only posting this so even if 'frustrating' discussions do get more :deadhorse: than most would prefer.

:cow:

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To make this even more convoluted, I think back on, she had the baby, and he brought S to the hospital, so he had her then. When a new sibling arrives, many times, the elder child, if young, will spend time with a family member for a few days, because it's exhausting work having a baby (One of mine joked, looking back at her own photos, that England's Princess must have super powers, because she was in heels and perfect makeup, smiling, waving. My daughter, who has a high pain threshold herself, suspects a fairy brought the baby and left it at her bedside.:laughing: ). They send you out that door in 24 hours now, or less, if they can, and the babies don't go to the nursery much now, unless Mom just asks for some rest, and most don't.

I've also wondered about HHG keeping K, while HMR and KR2 went fishing, right after the birth. I went boating, a couple days after having surgery, and I thought I was going to die the next day. I was quite young back then and went traipsing around right out of the hospital. I felt fine! Til the next day. So I guess fishing wouldn't be so bad, but, she was nursing too. K was born on the 17th, she'd have likely gone home by the 18th, and the murders occurred sometime between 10:30 p.m. on 4/21 and before dawn on 4/22. So did they really go fishing, or run by the heart shaped pond for just a couple minutes, for old times sake? Is that when KR2's bf got a toothache and he and KR2 went home? Was that all on 4/21st too?

That's a lot of things going on between birthing a child on the 17th, coming home from the hospital, with a newborn, going fishing, breast feeding every two hours, someone following you to spend the night, and going to bed on the 21st. Also, KR2 never mentions S being around, in her memories of the week, only K. Who is KR's bf? Can he corroborate? He'd perhaps know if S was there, as would KR2, she said she and HMR talked all the time, and she was there a lot. It's all so convoluted, and HMR is not here, but, there were likely folks, who would have seen the child with whichever parent she was with, based on the number of people they interacted with, leading up to the murders. In other words, if he had S, he may even have photos, of them on the farm, or neighbors saw them, or talked to them. We just truly do not know.