OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[rsd1200]

That's interesting because I remember JW on video saying he picked up SW at 10:30 pm the night of the murders. I recall him saying something to the effect of "we must have missed it by hours". Huge conflicting statement there. I find it even more interesting how much supposedly happened at 10:30 pm that night before. BR getting dropped off by his mother, the girl changing her mind about staying with HMR because her boyfriend had a toothache. Has that boyfriend been checked for a bad tooth or a dentist visit at the time period?

I don't think I've ever seen JW do a video interview. I could be mistaken, I'm a bit fuzzy today, (lack of sleep), so I may just not remember seeing it. If you can dig it up, please share, I would love to watch it, or watch it again, whichever the case may be!

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Well, you explained it way better than I did [emoji4] thank you! I have seen lenders approve lines of credit, with just the EIN (tax ID) but it’s mostly lenders that offer store credit cards. For example, the company I worked for had a DELL credit line and purchases all new computers, with only the EIN.

I’m just curious if CRsr had an EIN w/the LLC and if he possibly established one in order to access credit lines...say perhaps to build a big barn? Or tools? In other words, I am wondering if that LLC in his name served more than one purpose to him. A person can have an EIN and report a business income of zero with losses (expenses), especially if it’s a business that’s “just starting up”

You are right, you can do that. You have a three year period of start up costs. But three years of straight losses will probably get you pulled in for an audit.

Right now the IRS is all over the partnerships. The reason is that a lot of people are using them for tax shelters. Mostly in these two examples:

Let's say a man makes 150,000.00 a year in wages. If he has a partnership with another person and takes let's say a 40,000.00 loss then each partner can take a 20,000.00 loss on their tax return. This brings his taxable income down to 130,000.00 which saves him a large amount in tax liability.

Now let's say a couple with three kids makes 55,000.00 a year in wages. They don't qualify for the earned income credit. So they set up a partnership and take a 20,000.00 loss. each one reports 10,000.00 loss bringing the total loss to 20,000.00 which puts them well within earned income level allowing them to collect up to 5400.00 in EITC.

That is why the IRS is all over the partnerships.

If you have kids and file a self employment (Schedule C) and take a loss, your chances of being audited is almost 100% because it reduces your taxable income and allows you to claim the EITC credit.

A couple of years ago I pulled all my clients out of partnerships and will not take anyone who has one unless they agree to take a gain and terminate the partnership. The only benefit to a partnership is you don't have to pay self employment taxes on pass through income. The benefits are not worth the risk.

JMO

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Thank you! I have to trust Chris Graves, if she said she erred, and corrected.

I thought it was interesting that her update on that article came 8 months after the article was published. And AFTER the raid on W farms. Makes me wonder if she got information somewhere. Actually, I’m sure she did, because I can’t see a journalist going out of their way to place such a specific update on such an old article. Also, I thoroughly thought I had lost my mind when going through my notes LOL because I have it noted the same as you did.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

That's interesting because I remember JW on video saying he picked up SW at 10:30 pm the night of the murders. I recall him saying something to the effect of "we must have missed it by hours". Huge conflicting statement there. I find it even more interesting how much supposedly happened at 10:30 pm that night before. BR getting dropped off by his mother, the girl changing her mind about staying with HMR because her boyfriend had a toothache. Has that boyfriend been checked for a bad tooth or a dentist visit at the time period?

The girl staying with HMR that night was KR2, daughter of the 8th victim KR.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Does anyone recall at what time they called off the lockdown on the schools? Had the cops finally found Chris Jr. at that point or nah? I've found it quite curious since that very day why the lockdown on the schools was lifted at the time it was. Seems it was quite early. KR certainly hadn't been found yet. Seems to me the cops knew right away who did this and why. They seemed so sure no one else was danger. And reiterated that time and again. I don't know if this is connected in any way to the Eapmon murders, but it certainly has lots of similarities that I can't ever get out of my head, such as the children not harmed. In that case, the neighbor across the street had at least one security camera that didn't catch anything out of the ordinary. So that tells me the murderers came in the back. I feel that perhaps the murderers came in the back at at least a few of the Rhoden locations. According to police in the Eapmon case, the murderers were looking for something, which they found. I feel like the Rhoden murders were at least in large part, either a general robbery or they were looking for something specific. Especially, with the knowledge that there was a safe at CR1's trailer. This case just drives me crazy, there is so much weird stuff. And maybe the two cases aren't related, but the m-o is quite similar.

Peebles High School was on lockdown Friday morning, but that was reportedly lifted around 11 a.m.

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Investigators-Several-dead-at-Pike-County-Ohio-home-376728131.html

It was always my opinion, after hearing LM state that LE had to go in the house 3x to find CRjr that perhaps the lockdown was placed because when LE couldn’t initially locate him that the they didn’t know if he was the shooter. We know now, that wasn’t the case, but I think they were taking precautions. No one knew about KR yet when the lockdown was lifted, therefore LE lifted the lockdown.

 

[rsd1200]

I dug these out. I refer back now and then. I think they knew very early on, that this was strictly targeted, and for the most part, no one else was in immediate danger, except possibly other family members.

At 7:53 a.m. BJM placed the 911 call. Note: I have seen this time listed as anywhere between 7:49 & 7:59 a.m. so I'm unsure which is correct at this point.

8:20 a.m. Pike County sheriff's office requested state help.


10:07 a.m. Seven people were confirmed dead.

Peebles High School was on lockout for some time, but it was lifted shortly before 11 a.m.

11:19 BCI agents arriving on scene, from Dayton.

11:30 a.m. It was unknown at this time if the gunman was among the seven bodies.

1:26 p.m. DS places the second call to 911.

2:33 p.m. News outlets began reporting that KR had been found deceased.

General Timeline
https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...-pike-county-shooting/I3nkEl3XgnupsF5V5Axe6M/

911 Transcripts
https://www.chillicothegazette.com/...ipts-911-calls-pike-county-slayings/83445300/

Lockdown
http://www.wlwt.com/article/no-arrests-made-in-pike-county-slayings/3564698

 

[amauet1]

The tax ID you are talking about is called an EIN. Employer Identification Number. You can get those on a sole proprietorship (single person doing business and filing a Schedule C), a partnership (Two or more people doing business and filing a form 1065) a S Corporation ( a small corporation with single or multiple people as investors filing a form 1120S) or a corporation (single or multiple people as investors filing a form 1120). The reason you see more of those is because an LLC (Limited Liability Company) can be filed as a sole proprietorship, partnership, S corp, or Corp.

But to get an EIN the person filing for one must provide a social security number.

Generally the lender will ask for the social security number of the person applying for the loan in addition to the EIN. The exception to this is generally trade companies (I.E lumber yards and other specially trade businesses). Once established with good credit at a specially business the person can then use them as a credit reference to obtain a loan at a finance company.

Anyone can get an EIN online at the IRS site in about 10 minutes by supplying your SSN, the name of your business and type of business (I.E retail store, construction company ect.) But please remember that if you obtain an EIN under a business name you are telling the IRS that, first you are making cash money in a business and second you intend to employ people in that business. The penalties can be stiff for not filing the proper forms. The penalty for not filing a 1065 partnership by the filing date of March 15 is 195.00 per partner per month. Ditto with the 1120S, and 1120. 195.00 per stockholder per month. Penalties for 2 partners would be 4680.00 per year for not filing.

Then you have the IRS looking for payroll taxes from those employees you said you had.

I don't advise it for anyone but if you do find yourself in one, you can always file the proper form on time and do a technical termination of the business.

And this is all about as clear as mud right?

Thank you Raisin! Very imformative!

 

[amauet1]

You are right, you can do that. You have a three year period of start up costs. But three years of straight losses will probably get you pulled in for an audit.

Right now the IRS is all over the partnerships. The reason is that a lot of people are using them for tax shelters. Mostly in these two examples:

Let's say a man makes 150,000.00 a year in wages. If he has a partnership with another person and takes let's say a 40,000.00 loss then each partner can take a 20,000.00 loss on their tax return. This brings his taxable income down to 130,000.00 which saves him a large amount in tax liability.

Now let's say a couple with three kids makes 55,000.00 a year in wages. They don't qualify for the earned income credit. So they set up a partnership and take a 20,000.00 loss. each one reports 10,000.00 loss bringing the total loss to 20,000.00 which puts them well within earned income level allowing them to collect up to 5400.00 in EITC.

That is why the IRS is all over the partnerships.

If you have kids and file a self employment (Schedule C) and take a loss, your chances of being audited is almost 100% because it reduces your taxable income and allows you to claim the EITC credit.

A couple of years ago I pulled all my clients out of partnerships and will not take anyone who has one unless they agree to take a gain and terminate the partnership. The only benefit to a partnership is you don't have to pay self employment taxes on pass through income. The benefits are not worth the risk.

JMO

How would this affect money laundering, if it does?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

How would this affect money laundering, if it does?

That’s what I’m curious about too.

 

[molly1255]

That's interesting because I remember JW on video saying he picked up SW at 10:30 pm the night of the murders. I recall him saying something to the effect of "we must have missed it by hours". Huge conflicting statement there. I find it even more interesting how much supposedly happened at 10:30 pm that night before. BR getting dropped off by his mother, the girl changing her mind about staying with HMR because her boyfriend had a toothache. Has that boyfriend been checked for a bad tooth or a dentist visit at the time period?

Very, very interesting that Chris Graves made this correction. For reference, here's a link to the article she wrote in 2016 when she interviewed JW:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

When I first read this article back when it was published, I recall thinking his "I reckon" seemed as if he was laying it on a bit thick. He goes on to plug his Go Fund Me account to solicit donations to pay for his legal expenses in obtaining custody of S. He admits to CG that he's asking for more than what the legal expenses actually were, and really, just what is this guy trying to do?

He claims his legal expenses in getting custody of S were 4 x more than what he expected. As someone pointed out here a week or so ago, the custody of S would not have involved much, if anything, in terms of legal expenses. He was S's sole surviving parent.

Did he hire Robert Shapiro to get custody of S, when legally, custody of S was likely a legal slam dunk? Or were there long and drawn out meetings with an attorney in the months prior to the murders of HR and her family, in an attempt to try to get custody of S?

 

[Betty P]

Flashlight techniques by law enforcement is an interesting topic I've been reading about lately in relation to the EAR/ONS serial killer. LE suspected he was LE or former LE because of the flashlight techniques he used when attacking rape victims in their homes.

It could also tell us something about how some of the Rhoden family victims were caught by surprise and temporarily disoriented while still allowing the killers to aim and shoot with deadly accuracy. It also shows how the killers used similar tactics to move around darkened homes.

As police know, turning on lights makes you vulnerable to attack by the person you're trying to capture/disarm. You're much safer knowing how to work in the dark, tactically using a flashlight and other equipment to move around. While night vision goggles would be helpful in this situation. once you've encountered your target, if they're awake, you need flashlight tactics to immobilize and confuse them so they don't know where you are, how close, etc.

JMO, using a laser scope alone would have been ineffective without a flashlight to illuminate the victims. Killers knew there were small children in the homes and needed to locate them quickly before killing the victims, without giving the adults enough time to fight back.

http://www.bluesheepdog.com/flashlight-tactics/

This on/off method of light use acts to confuse the suspect as to what our intentions are and where we might be going. In general people have trouble gauging time and distance without light.

An on/off use of the light increases the confusion for the suspect because it makes it nearly impossible to accurately judge where an officer is or where they are going.

For instance, if you turn a light on in a living room you are completely illuminated, but a suspect in the darkened adjacent kitchen or hallway may not be visible. In addition, officers have to cross completely lit territory in order to continue clearing the areas of uncertainty.

Officers that train and practice operating in the dark, can actually become quite comfortable being in the dark or semi-lit conditions. In these training scenarios, the darkness becomes our friend, and we are able to use it for our advantage.

More about "quick peek" techniques. Allows an attacker to quickly see where people are, but still keeps their eyes adapted to the dark.

The goal of a “quick peek” is to allow the officer to see into a threat area, but not long enough to give a suspect time to fire or attack the officer. The officer is taking a snap-shot picture of what he saw, and allowing that picture to develop while in cover like an old Polaroid instant picture did (younger officers Google it!).

If the officer needs to look in the other direction into the hot area, than they need to make sure they displace and conduct their “quick peek” from a different position (kneeling, modified prone, etc.). The quick peek should be performed from start to finish in about one second, less for those who are highly practiced in the technique.

It's an interesting topic to research and JMO, it was used in these murders. See what else you can find.

Increasingly, it makes me realize the superior skill and practice needed to use these techniques to quickly immobilize and kill so many people in 4 different crime scenes. Going in all 4 crime scenes with lights blazing would have gotten the killers shot or killed at some point.

Using only night vision goggles risked having a victim awaken to the sound of the killers moving. JMO, a flashlight was used as well in case a victim awakened and needed to be rendered confused, disoriented and unable to quickly take a shot at the killers. From the linked article, it infers that members of specialized military use a combination of these tools.

 

[Becky Starkey]

Very, very interesting that Chris Graves made this correction. For reference, here's a link to the article she wrote in 2016 when she interviewed JW:

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/

When I first read this article back when it was published, I recall thinking his "I reckon" seemed as if he was laying it on a bit thick. He goes on to plug his Go Fund Me account to solicit donations to pay for his legal expenses in obtaining custody of S. He admits to CG that he's asking for more than what the legal expenses actually were, and really, just what is this guy trying to do?

He claims his legal expenses in getting custody of S were 4 x more than what he expected. As someone pointed out here a week or so ago, the custody of S would not have involved much, if anything, in terms of legal expenses. He was S's sole surviving parent.

Did he hire Robert Shapiro to get custody of S, when legally, custody of S was likely a legal slam dunk? Or were there long and drawn out meetings with an attorney in the months prior to the murders of HR and her family, in an attempt to try to get custody of S?

His "I reckon" has always stuck out to me too, as soon as I heard it and can't shake it. Wonder if the Wagner's have had to evacuate their new Alaskan digs, there is volcano evacuations.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

How would this affect money laundering, if it does?

I have seen some very creative bookkeeping in my time. Money laundering as far as taxes goes involves inflating the business. For example:

You buy a car for 1000.00 and put 1500.00 in parts in it and pay for it with "dirty money". You then sell the car for 2500.00. You come out with 2500.00 "clean money" on the other side.

You buy a car for 1000.00 and put 1000.00 in parts in it paid for with "dirty money". You sell the car for 1000.00. You report on your taxes that you sold it for 5000.00 and had expenses of 5000.00 for it. You come out with 2000.00 "clean money on the purchase, 4000.00 on the sales and 4000.00 on the parts in "clean money". Over all that's 10,000.00 in clean money from a 1000.00 purchase.

The IRS is not really good at catching money laundering though. The banks mostly catch it.
As for the IRS they might ask for receipts to back up expenses but won't usually ask for proof of sales. If you say you sold it for 5000.00 they are going to take your word for it. After all that only benefits them. If they do look at sales it will be to prove you sold it for more than what you say, not less. They certainly are not going to track down all your buyers to ask what they paid for it. They don't have the man power.

The bankers on here can probably tell you more about money laundering than I can though.

 

[Betty P]

I have seen some very creative bookkeeping in my time. Money laundering as far as taxes goes involves inflating the business. For example:

You buy a car for 1000.00 and put 1500.00 in parts in it and pay for it with "dirty money". You then sell the car for 2500.00. You come out with 2500.00 "clean money" on the other side.

You buy a car for 1000.00 and put 1000.00 in parts in it paid for with "dirty money". You sell the car for 1000.00. You report on your taxes that you sold it for 5000.00 and had expenses of 5000.00 for it. You come out with 2000.00 "clean money on the purchase, 4000.00 on the sales and 4000.00 on the parts in "clean money". Over all that's 10,000.00 in clean money from a 1000.00 purchase.

The IRS is not really good at catching money laundering though. The banks mostly catch it.
As for the IRS they might ask for receipts to back up expenses but won't usually ask for proof of sales. If you say you sold it for 5000.00 they are going to take your word for it. After all that only benefits them. If they do look at sales it will be to prove you sold it for more than what you say, not less. They certainly are not going to track down all your buyers to ask what they paid for it. They don't have the man power.

The bankers on here can probably tell you more about money laundering than I can though.

So who do you think was laundering money? If the speculation is that CR1 was laundering cash through his auto repair and sales business, how would that help find the killers of his family? Can we really figure out who the killers are by putting all our focus on the deceased victims?

Or were you looking at the various LLC's owned by the W family, including the W grandparents? Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

[Betty P]

So who do you think was laundering money? If the speculation is that CR1 was laundering cash through his auto repair and sales business, how would that help find the killers of his family? Can we really figure out who the killers are by putting all our focus on the deceased victims?

Or were you looking at the various LLC's owned by the W family, including the W grandparents? Sorry if I misunderstood.

JMO, I do think the bank connection is important. Local growers and dealers may have used local banks to launder cash. The bankers could have been part of the system.

From recent news accounts, the out of town dealers seem to be shipping their drug cash in bulk to the west coast instead of laundering it locally in southern Ohio. Using local banks and/or real estate, etc. may have been the "old school" locals way of handling their end.

 

[amauet1]

I have seen some very creative bookkeeping in my time. Money laundering as far as taxes goes involves inflating the business. For example:

You buy a car for 1000.00 and put 1500.00 in parts in it and pay for it with "dirty money". You then sell the car for 2500.00. You come out with 2500.00 "clean money" on the other side.

You buy a car for 1000.00 and put 1000.00 in parts in it paid for with "dirty money". You sell the car for 1000.00. You report on your taxes that you sold it for 5000.00 and had expenses of 5000.00 for it. You come out with 2000.00 "clean money on the purchase, 4000.00 on the sales and 4000.00 on the parts in "clean money". Over all that's 10,000.00 in clean money from a 1000.00 purchase.

The IRS is not really good at catching money laundering though. The banks mostly catch it.
As for the IRS they might ask for receipts to back up expenses but won't usually ask for proof of sales. If you say you sold it for 5000.00 they are going to take your word for it. After all that only benefits them. If they do look at sales it will be to prove you sold it for more than what you say, not less. They certainly are not going to track down all your buyers to ask what they paid for it. They don't have the man power.

The bankers on here can probably tell you more about money laundering than I can though.

I remember back in the beginning when we were trying to get as much info we could on what businesses the Rhoden's were in. There were taxes the state of Ohio were going after from Dana. We assumed it was from her car sales. It was only around 300.00-400.00 and I couldn't understand if that was a personal car sale.(Selling a car she owned) or it was a sale made for someone else like Scioto Trading Company. How do taxes work with those types of sales?

 

[Betty P]

I was just catching up on the status of Hasdell Chemical - the company that received money to store the Rhoden family trailers. The same company that told it's investors they would make a great return on their investment because they were going to manufacture topical ointments containing cannabis.

It looks like Hon. George Smith of the US District Court for the Southern District in Ohio entered a final judgment against Robert Walton, Jr. of Loveland, OH. These were civil penalties, totaling over $1 million. Even though the civil suit alleged that Walton forged signatures and falsified documents to investors, there were no criminal charges brought against him.

One thing I've always wondered about Hadsell Chemical Processing is what were they processing there? The SEC lawsuit says there were plenty of fake invoices for purchase orders, etc. What were they doing?

The SEC's complaint, filed on May 17, 2017 in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, alleged that Hadsell Chemical made material misrepresentations to 65 investors in connection with the offer and sale of approximately $12 million in promissory notes between April 2012 and October 2015 and failed to register the offering with the SEC. Among other things, the complaint alleged that Hadsell Chemical and its former president misrepresented that the investments were guaranteed, that the company had received multi-million dollar contracts from customers and that that the company was profitable, when none of these statements were true.

The final judgment, entered pursuant to Hadsell Chemical's consent without admitting or denying the allegations in the SEC's complaint, imposes a permanent injunction and dismisses the SEC's claims for disgorgement and prejudgment interest due to Hadsell Chemical's Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceeding.

BBM

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2017/lr23981.htm

If Hadsell didn't have contracts with customers, per their claims to 65 investors, what were they doing there every day? What were employees working on? What were they processing since they opened in 2011?

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2017/comp23835.pdf

https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2017/comp23835.pdf

In 2015, HCP, through Walton, invested in a business called COPI, which
was to produce and sell topical ointments containing cannabis in Co
lorado.

Who suggested to DeWine, BCI and PCSO that they store the Rhoden family trailers at Hadsell?

One of the companies owned by Hadsell was Relevant Compounding, a pharmaceutical compounding business.

http://npino.com/pharmacy/1497195895-relevant-compounding-llc/

Such an unusual case, with so much illegal activity, yet no criminal charges.

 

[amauet1]

So who do you think was laundering money? If the speculation is that CR1 was laundering cash through his auto repair and sales business, how would that help find the killers of his family? Can we really figure out who the killers are by putting all our focus on the deceased victims?

Or were you looking at the various LLC's owned by the W family, including the W grandparents? Sorry if I misunderstood.

Betty you have hinted at the W's background in businesses young and old. Please share what you know. I haven't found anything except lands owned, some criminal background on BW and AW being convicted for receiving stolen goods and tampering with evidence. Something to do with stolen Rocky Boots. The only thing I've found in the elder's was something about George (Elder) and a fire involving supposed girlfriend, barn fire that killed a lot of show horses including Blue Boy a champion show pony. And Fredaricka going to court about starting an american mastiff line and her being first and only breeder for the "american mastiff".

 

[Betty P]

Betty you have hinted at the W's background in businesses young and old. Please share what you know. I haven't found anything except lands owned, some criminal background on BW and AW being convicted for receiving stolen goods and tampering with evidence. Something to do with stolen Rocky Boots. The only thing I've found in the elder's was something about George (Elder) and a fire involving supposed girlfriend, barn fire that killed a lot of show horses including Blue Boy a champion show pony. And Fredaricka going to court about starting an american mastiff line and her being first and only breeder for the "american mastiff".

Keep looking. There were some LLC's registered in the grandmother's name, IIRC. Health care related. I'll see if I can find my old post on it from back at the time the farms were raided. You may also want to cross check the people who entered land contract with Wagners on their properties.

ETA: Here we go:


Crystal Springs Home Inc

799 Mount Etna Road
Piketon, OH 45661
Phone: Show Number

Crystal Springs Home Inc is a privately held company in Piketon, OH and is a Unknown business.

Categorized under Mental Retardation Hospitals. Our records show it was established in 1986 and incorporated in Ohio. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of less than $500,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.

https://www.manta.com/c/mmnj2hx/crystal-springs-home-inc

When you search the address under Google Maps, it brings up a photo of a room with church pews.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...efd741ef7b0c67!8m2!3d38.9932905!4d-83.1095214


Zoom in on Google Maps and it looks like a church, not a health care services facility.

ETA2: I wonder if this church/health care services business is related in any way to the churches the younger W's are a member?

 

[MizStery]

rsd, i had to dig to find this because i couldn’t remember where i had saw it but in the last thread you had mentioned jw’s conflicting statements about whether he picked s up, missing the murder by hours, or whether hmr had dropped s off to him. I had remembered seeing this in an article and it took me until now to find the right article. (i think it was your post 994 in the last thread)

according to this, jw picked up s the week prior to the murders. Chris graves edited and added this to article on 6/12/2017. Originally published 10/15/2016.



https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/10/15/pike-county-death-foothills/91496698/

link shared to show the update made on the article. This is not a new article.

An absolute documented fact is when Jake gave interviews (plural & every reporter could not have head him wrong!)
JW always stated the event as he picked up Sophie a day earlier.

It is not until the 2017 interview that AW gave the same event only she changed the dates the exchange took place on s different date. AW sounds like she runs the show and everyone in the Wagner family kowtows to her. I think AW was the trouble maker in the custody despute because she wanted JW to have sole custody.

This is my opinion only. I have not came to this conclusion lightly. Please feel free to disagree. But :bee: kind.

[FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]July 29 2016[/FONT][FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]Hanna Rhoden and Wagner shared custody of Sophia, who was supposed to be with her mom that fateful Friday evening, he said. But Wagner picked her up a day earlier than normal: "I reckon we missed it by just hours."[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Display][FONT=.SFUIDisplay-Heavy]Rhoden case: 'Hate seeing my daughter cry'[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText-Heavy]Chris Graves[/FONT][FONT=.SFUIText-Heavy], [email protected][/FONT][FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]Published 8:37 a.m. ET July 29, 2016 | [/FONT][FONT=.SFUIText-Heavy]Updated 12:53 p.m. ET July 29, 2016[/FONT][/FONT
[FONT=.SF UI Text][FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/07/29/rhoden-case-hate-seeing-my-daughter-cry/87645382/06 [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=.sf ui text][FONT=.sfuitext-semibold]hmr, 19, had packed up her older daughter, s*****, and sent her off with her dad for the weekend about 10:30 p.m. That night. She presumably snuggled in with her newborn she’d been faithfully nursing that week. Her brother, cr2 jr., 16, was also likely home when their mom arrived home after pulling a double shift at the nursing home, because he had school the next day.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=.sf ui text][FONT=.sfuitext-heavy]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...kpb?li=bbnbca1[/FONT][/FONT]

Here it is everyone the revisionist namely AW changing the date SW was picked up. It's obvious she wants to distant the Wagners from ground zero CS.

• [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]According to AW in the latest Graves article, HMR dropped S on april 15th. But we are reading from a previous article JW saw HMR and K after her birth. [/FONT]
• [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold] *[FONT=.SFUIText-Heavy]http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news...kids/85231530/[/FONT][/FONT]

• [FONT=.SFUIText-Semibold]​:cow:[/FONT]