OH - Pike County: 8 people from one family dead as police hunt for killer(s) #32

[MittenScarpetta]

Also of note "local, state and federal authorities". Federal charges, You dont usually see that in Pike Co.

They solved it in 4 months too! And used an exhausting amount of federal resources. How amazing would it be for the Rhoden and Gilley case to get that much precedence?! Don’t get me wrong, I was glad to read this today. I just don’t think there’s been a day in 2 years that this case hasn’t crossed my mind.

Which makes me wonder, IF cartels were involved in this, wouldn’t LE had done the same here?

 

[molly1255]

These are DeWine's comments from over 1 yr ago. He refused to make any comments this year on the second anniversary of the murders, most likely because he's running for governor and doesn't want to remind the public that he was in charge of that investigation.

Pike Co Prosecutor Junk's statements to the media this year are really the only official ones we have to work with. His statements are in some ways more specific than DeWine's last year, reiterating focus on the AK family and pretty much saying all they need is some more evidence.

JMO, 2 yrs later, their statements mean they didnt focus on the W family until last year. By then, they were ready to or had moved to AK. Most evidence was gone. They screwed up by focusing on Manleys and other close family members until, after arresting pretty much everyone in Pike County and questioning them in the GJ, they realized the Ws were the link to the killers.

DeWine wants to distance himself from the case now. He basically hid from the news media that entire week of the anniversary. Reader hid, too. Both of them hiding on the 2nd anniversary is pretty much what it looks like - people who messed up an investigation, may not be able to ever prosecute killers and are avoiding the public.

Reader is stuck, along with Junk. If the state decides to pull the plug on funding (and they're probably going to do that if they haven't already) Pike Co has no real money to pursue further investigation. I doubt anyone is working on the case now because they know who did it but can't or wont take it to court.

Best solution is to put someone new in charge of the investigation, preferably an outsider. Reader and Junk should go to the feds for help and money. The state has walked away and left them hanging. Might as well call a Congressperson or Senator and ask for help.

Or maybe they could call in Paul Holes from California to sort things out!

 

[molly1255]

If the elder Ws were so doting, and everyone got along, then why didn't everything work out while the Ws were living on the elder Ws land? Why not just continue to live there? Were they paying high rent? AW had a teaching degree, but I don't think she ever taught for pay, what did GW3 do? Show mini ponies? The boys had good credit from what I've gathered, their parents did not, again, just from what I've seen from scratching the surface on that. FWIW GR appears to have had a much better credit rating than the adult Ws and he appeared to own no land.

The piece of the elder's land that the Ws lived on in the early 90s, around the time the boys were born, looks much the same now as it did then.

They move around '95 just around the corner, and still on the parents' land. Then, in Feb. 2014, the boys make the leap to Peterson. Mom and Dad W, move with them, or later moved in with them. Did the boys buy Peterson to start their new families, on their own? Then the parents, moved in too? What young wife/fiance would want all that going on? Maybe they were hoping the boys were finally breaking away, only to find that the parents followed them. So they just split. The adult Ws have never owned any land in their names, not that I've found, anyway.

The land on some of these farms, has just been chopped to pieces. No way I'd buy a lot. Not even on the perimeter. There looks to be absolutely no planning whatsoever and you could actually become landlocked, or so it appears. Of course, with land contracts, it seems few people ever succeed at owning those parcels anyway. The Ws are not the only duck in the pond doing this. Seems to be more than one, and one, a duck just as big, or bigger, and he's an old man now, also.

Land is a big thing. It holds strong ties. For those who don't have a lot of money, it means stability to have their own piece of land. It's why folks hang on so tight to family land. They won't hardly part with it, because if you own a piece of land, you can do okay during the bad times. It's also why some will give land contracts a shot, if the banks turn them away, because of that dream of owning their own little piece of land, is so strong. Land inheritance, like any other kind, can also cause friction in a family. Just some leftover thoughts from some digging, while my insomnia drags on.

I've always thought the living arrangement in the W family was a bit strange. The parents both appear to be able-bodied people. Did the dad have a job or contribute financially to the household? It looks like the sons were supporting their parents and keeping a roof over their heads. Perhaps AW was providing some babysitting services for her boys. IDK.

I cannot imagine many young women being interested in having a long-term involvement with young men whose parents lived with them and who may have also been financially dependent on them. I think in order for that to work, the young woman would need to be extremely subservient and recognize AW as the woman of the house. I think most would run.

Another thing I'd like to add and it is regarding AW. In an interview she proclaimed that she had much affection for HR, but I don't believe that. HR had been in a relationship with JW, had S, and it appears she broke off the relationship with him. I can only imagine the drama that existed in the W household when HR broke JW's heart and took the baby with her and started seeing other guys.

 

[rsd1200]

I've always thought the living arrangement in the W family was a bit strange. The parents both appear to be able-bodied people. Did the dad have a job or contribute financially to the household? It looks like the sons were supporting their parents and keeping a roof over their heads. Perhaps AW was providing some babysitting services for her boys. IDK.

I cannot imagine many young women being interested in having a long-term involvement with young men whose parents lived with them and who may have also been financially dependent on them. I think in order for that to work, the young woman would need to be extremely subservient and recognize AW as the woman of the house. I think most would run.

Another thing I'd like to add and it is regarding AW. In an interview she proclaimed that she had much affection for HR, but I don't believe that. HR had been in a relationship with JW, had S, and it appears she broke off the relationship with him. I can only imagine the drama that existed in the W household when HR broke JW's heart and took the baby with her and started seeing other guys.

BBM
Agree! I think they both may have ran and, I'm not so sure that GW4's ex didn't have some type of visitation agreement, but, how is she going to visit now? Most agreements have a clause as to moving out of state, or so many miles away, hers may not have had that, and even if it did, lawyer fees are not cheap.

 

[molly1255]

BBM
Agree! I think they both may have ran and, I'm not so sure that GW4's ex didn't have some type of visitation agreement, but, how is she going to visit now? Most agreements have a clause as to moving out of state, or so many miles away, hers may not have had that, and even if it did, lawyer fees are not cheap.

I agree! I get the feeling the mother of GSW4's child wasn't even factored into the equation when they decided to move. They just did it.

On the Alaska move, didn't AW make a statement that they had visited Alaska in the past and loved it and always wanted to move there and that was the reason they moved? I seem to recall another stated reason for moving was that they were supposedly receiving threats. Another apparent contradiction.

My thoughts are that If a group of people are completely unaware of any pertinent details regarding a multiple murder case and they are in the process of driving to new home, thousands of miles away, and along the way, they are stopped multiple times in different locations by LE and questions were being asked, what would most people do? Add to that, along their way, their former property and the property of relatives are being searched by a small army of LE and this is being covered live, and their names are on the news. What would most people do?

I think most people would turn their vehicle (s) around and head straight back to Ohio and get things straight with LE, But they just kept on going, and along the way they posted pictures of their travels on social media, so their cell phones were working. I'm more than sure they were alerted by friends, via cell phone, about the property searches and their names being in the news.

W.....T......H??

 

[kaykay543]

Just to touch on this a bit more as I find it extremely strange that two grown men would still want to live with their parents. Or vice versa.

I’m sure many of us have kids on here. I do. While I adore my two sons and treasure being the one to raise them, I also look forward to the day I get to watch them be grown men. With their own families. In their own houses. Doing their own laundry. Paying their own bills. Cleaning up their own messes. While I then live life as well. IMO, I get the impression that perhaps AW will never cut the cord and she likes control.

Its a part of the culture in parts in rural areas of Ohio, Kentucky, TN. I moved here from Illinois and was shocked how long adult sons live at home. Its always the sons as the daughters usually move in with a boyfriend at a youngish age. I don't want to paint everyone with the same brush; but it does seem to be a "thing" here.

 

[IceIce9]

Its a part of the culture in parts in rural areas of Ohio, Kentucky, TN. I moved here from Illinois and was shocked how long adult sons live at home. Its always the sons as the daughters usually move in with a boyfriend at a youngish age. I don't want to paint everyone with the same brush; but it does seem to be a "thing" here.

I agree that this is not considered unusual here. I have lived in rural Ohio, in an area very similar to Pike county. Our nearest neighbors had several of their adult sons living at home, and it wasn’t a big house. The daughters left home to move in with their boyfriends when they were 16 or 17, and the boyfriends still lived at home with their parents.

Their oldest son was 40 and still lived at home, a few of the boys had a wife or girlfriend who moved in too. Several young children too.

Farther down the road was a family with four sons, all of them lived with their parents until they married or their girlfriends moved in. They eventually moved four old dilapidated trailers on to their property so the sons could have their own homes, although still on their parents property.

 

[rsd1200]

Its a part of the culture in parts in rural areas of Ohio, Kentucky, TN. I moved here from Illinois and was shocked how long adult sons live at home. Its always the sons as the daughters usually move in with a boyfriend at a youngish age. I don't want to paint everyone with the same brush; but it does seem to be a "thing" here.

Not usually like this though. Yes, quite a few kids around here, live at home til they find a partner to cohabitate with. This is especially true if they don't go off to college. Once they've had that taste of being on their own, at college, it's hard for most to live back at home. However, in this instance, it appears that GW3 and AW, lived on the elder Ws place for years, in their own home, on the property, then when their sons reach adulthood, and buy themselves a place of their own, GW3 and AW, move in with them.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I agree! I get the feeling the mother of GSW4's child wasn't even factored into the equation when they decided to move. They just did it.

On the Alaska move, didn't AW make a statement that they had visited Alaska in the past and loved it and always wanted to move there and that was the reason they moved? I seem to recall another stated reason for moving was that they were supposedly receiving threats. Another apparent contradiction.

My thoughts are that If a group of people are completely unaware of any pertinent details regarding a multiple murder case and they are in the process of driving to new home, thousands of miles away, and along the way, they are stopped multiple times in different locations by LE and questions were being asked, what would most people do? Add to that, along their way, their former property and the property of relatives are being searched by a small army of LE and this is being covered live, and their names are on the news. What would most people do?

I think most people would turn their vehicle (s) around and head straight back to Ohio and get things straight with LE, But they just kept on going, and along the way they posted pictures of their travels on social media, so their cell phones were working. I'm more than sure they were alerted by friends, via cell phone, about the property searches and their names being in the news.

W.....T......H??

BBM

Don't be too sure they had cell phone service the whole way if they drove. When we went there was about 1200 miles through BC and the Yukon where we had no service. Three days if I remember correctly. You can go hundreds of miles and never see a electric or telephone pole by the side of the highway. No cell phone towers either. But at any rate with our carrier we didn't get service.

I think we figured it once on here and it seemed they would have been at least halfway through that dead zone when the raids occurred by calculating the approximate time they left.

JMO

 

[molly1255]

Not usually like this though. Yes, quite a few kids around here, live at home til they find a partner to cohabitate with. This is especially true if they don't go off to college. Once they've had that taste of being on their own, at college, it's hard for most to live back at home. However, in this instance, it appears that GW3 and AW, lived on the elder Ws place for years, in their own home, on the property, then when their sons reach adulthood, and buy themselves a place of their own, GW3 and AW, move in with them.

You've just stated what I believe to be unusual and that is the boys bought the new place and then mom and dad moved in. I know of instances where an elderly parent or parents move in with adult children but I don't know of any where a younger able-bodied set of parents move into a home owned by their young sons.

When I was in my early 20's and had my own place, if my mom and dad told me they wanted to move in, I would have cried. I love my parents, too, but that would have taken away all of my new-found freedom.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

Don't be too sure they had cell phone service the whole way if they drove. When we went there was about 1200 miles through BC and the Yukon where we had no service. Three days if I remember correctly. You can go hundreds of miles and never see a electric or telephone pole by the side of the highway. No cell phone towers either. But at any rate with our carrier we didn't get service.

I think we figured it once on here and it seemed they would have been at least halfway through that dead zone when the raids occurred by calculating the approximate time they left.

JMO

Combine that with spotty cell coverage in the mountains, here, and that could very well be the case. I also don't think they had a ton of money, by looking at the searches for housing back then. I mean, if they were trying to be all undercover about their plans to move to AK, they did not do a very good job. They'd been searching for rentals before the search happened. Their FB contents had AK links and friendships. I mean, it was wide open out there, on the internet, for all to see, no warrant needed and if I saw it, I'm sure LE saw it. I also believe it that LE has interviewed them, and that they did take some of their electronics.

Also, as you said, Raisin, the folks in Kenai know they are there. If LE down here, gets enough to submit a warrant for their arrest, AK authorities will arrest them, and they'll be extradited to Ohio. This is different than a warrant for back child support, or FTA over a dui. If they need to bring them in for more questioning, someone will fly there, and question them. Now if they'd gone off grid, then I'd be a lot more concerned about the move.

I do think they know something. I think several folks know something but are afraid. I think that it's highly likely that someone who knew that family, was there when those murders went down that night, but they didn't pull the trigger themselves, yet they are just as guilty as those who did, and may even be the one who called the shots (no pun intended).

 

[rsd1200]

You've just stated what I believe to be unusual and that is the boys bought the new place and then mom and dad moved in. I know of instances where an elderly parent or parents move in with adult children but I don't know of any where a younger able-bodied set of parents move into a home owned by their young sons.

When I was in my early 20's and had my own place, if my mom and dad told me they wanted to move in, I would have cried. I love my parents, too, but that would have taken away all of my new-found freedom.

BBM

:laughing: Same. I left home at 18 and never looked back. Love mine to pieces, but I was ready to do my own thang.

 

[molly1255]

BBM

Don't be too sure they had cell phone service the whole way if they drove. When we went there was about 1200 miles through BC and the Yukon where we had no service. Three days if I remember correctly. You can go hundreds of miles and never see a electric or telephone pole by the side of the highway. No cell phone towers either. But at any rate with our carrier we didn't get service.

I think we figured it once on here and it seemed they would have been at least halfway through that dead zone when the raids occurred by calculating the approximate time they left.

JMO

I'm sure you are correct and that they didn't have cell service in the dead zones. But I read that LE in different locations had stopped them along the way as well. At some point, they had cell service, because I believe it was JW who was posting pictures on social media of their journey and they were all smiling in the pictures, as if all was good and they didn't have a care in the world.

 

[Hatfield]

4 hours away from Piketon.

http://fox59.com/2018/05/02/authorities-to-discuss-drug-related-raids-in-kokomo/



Just found this interesting.

My goodness. Houston we have a problem.

"They seized more than 17 pounds of methamphetamine, two pounds of cocaine, two ounces of heroin, 122 grams of fentanyl and six ounces of marijuana."

These amounts sure tell a story dont they. It shows that the drug of choice today for many is Meth. It shows that yes Fentanyl is being mixed in with other things probably to make the product seem more potent and contributes to deaths.

It shows that the illegal drug trade and illegal drugs in general is a major problem. Not that it wasnt before now.

http://fox59.com/2018/05/02/authorities-to-discuss-drug-related-raids-in-kokomo/

 

[MittenScarpetta]

My goodness. Houston we have a problem.

"They seized more than 17 pounds of methamphetamine, two pounds of cocaine, two ounces of heroin, 122 grams of fentanyl and six ounces of marijuana."

These amounts sure tell a story dont they. It shows that the drug of choice today for many is Meth. It shows that yes Fentanyl is being mixed in with other things probably to make the product seem more potent and contributes to deaths.

It shows that the illegal drug trade and illegal drugs in general is a major problem. Not that it wasnt before now.

http://fox59.com/2018/05/02/authorities-to-discuss-drug-related-raids-in-kokomo/

Disgusting, isn’t it? The major problem in my area is heroin. Unfortunately, the funeral home industry is booming around here because it’s often mixed with....fentanyl.

 

[evelezrn]

O/T... Anyone here read the book DREAMLAND?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I'm sure you are correct and that they didn't have cell service in the dead zones. But I read that LE in different locations had stopped them along the way as well. At some point, they had cell service, because I believe it was JW who was posting pictures on social media of their journey and they were all smiling in the pictures, as if all was good and they didn't have a care in the world.

BBM

We discussed that when we saw the pictures at the time they were posted. All the pictures posted to social media were taken in AK. I went as far as posting my own pictures on here that almost exactly matched those posted by the W's. They took those pictures in scenic pullouts the same way hubby and I did. They are just popular spots to stop and take pictures on your journey. Same places we stopped, just more mature trees, but basically almost identical to mine.

One thing of note. They did not post even one picture of Canada. I have tons but none of the W's pictures remotely matched any we took in Canada. Of course the route they took would have taken them though a lot of flat uninteresting country. The really pretty part of Canada is when you hit the Yukon. Maybe that's why they didn't post any. Or maybe they just wanted to show their friends and family pictures of where they would be living. Weird there was no "Welcome to Alaska" picture though.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

O/T... Anyone here read the book DREAMLAND?

I have. Very disturbing book.

 

[rsd1200]

My goodness. Houston we have a problem.

"They seized more than 17 pounds of methamphetamine, two pounds of cocaine, two ounces of heroin, 122 grams of fentanyl and six ounces of marijuana."

These amounts sure tell a story dont they. It shows that the drug of choice today for many is Meth. It shows that yes Fentanyl is being mixed in with other things probably to make the product seem more potent and contributes to deaths.

It shows that the illegal drug trade and illegal drugs in general is a major problem. Not that it wasnt before now.

http://fox59.com/2018/05/02/authorities-to-discuss-drug-related-raids-in-kokomo/

BBM

Ain't that the truth. There's even a song about the meth problem in the region. Old Crow Medicine Show, put it out, simply titled, Methamphetamine. Folks say that tweekers will steal all your stuff and then help you look for it. It's all through the mountains here, but Heroin and Fentanyl have started becoming more of a problem since the opioid crack down. Legitimate need with a dependence, or someone with a full blown addiction, when the pains of withdrawal start, not everyone can go through that, mentally or physically, they turn to a very close, and cheap, substitute.

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

We discussed that when we saw the pictures at the time they were posted. All the pictures posted to social media were taken in AK. I went as far as posting my own pictures on here that almost exactly matched those posted by the W's. They took those pictures in scenic pullouts the same way hubby and I did. They are just popular spots to stop and take pictures on your journey. Same places we stopped, just more mature trees, but basically almost identical to mine.

One thing of note. They did not post even one picture of Canada. I have tons but none of the W's pictures remotely matched any we took in Canada. Of course the route they took would have taken them though a lot of flat uninteresting country. The really pretty part of Canada is when you hit the Yukon. Maybe that's why they didn't post any. Or maybe they just wanted to show their friends and family pictures of where they would be living. Weird there was no "Welcome to Alaska" picture though.

JMO

They weren't interested in taking the scenic route through Canada. It was all about the destination, not the trip.