UNSOLVED Oh - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #33

[MittenScarpetta]

That stands out to me also. At first glance HHG would not really have anything to do with what CR1 was into. We can see DR as being involved as she was the ex and was getting back together with CR1 so whatever hatred was aimed at him most probably aimed at DR also.

But why HHG? Why 5 shots in her face? That stumped me for a while until I thought about the fact that she is CG's sister.

CG the father of little K. The man who was seen to take HR away. Maybe even instigated her breakup with JW. Or maybe even had an affair with him during her and JW's relationship. CG wasn't there to take the hatred and jealousy out on, so his sister was the next best thing.

HHG is what firmed up my belief it was JW and the W's. Because out of all of them she was the least connected. KR, FR, CR2 and GR were R's. HR and her parents were the primary targets. So why HHG? Would there have been as many shots fired if HHG had not been a G? If her last name had been Jones or Smith?

No I don't think HHG was a target like the R's were, I think she was pure pleasure.

JMO

IMO, CG swoooped I’m rather quick after HMR & JW broke up. One can look at her IG, which is still public and you can tell when they spilt. And then if you go to her other fb that is NOT memorialized, you can then do some clicking to read comments on CG’s fb profile pics which would indicate they were an item, maybe not “fb official”, but definitely a romantic interest by the end of April 2015/early May 2015.

 

[almond]

I tend to lean your way on the dogs. CR1 could have let them out, and they just didn't get let back inside, because he was later deceased. I think KR was killed by someone who he was fairly comfortable with. I think it would be worthwhile to look at the Ky. side. Especially after the Detroit pipeline hit, with GR's mother, and step-father, arrested as a part of that. If there's a gang affiliation, then I'm leaning toward one similar to below. The members seem to mix and marry and be related ;



16 charged, more arrests likely to come in Pike County drug trafficking investigation




Pike Sheriff names 16 suspects involved in drug trafficking ring

Yes Yes and Yes! All of the above. What if Kenny had a girlfriend, hypothetically. Drugs, yes, not just weed, and not CRsr. I really do think this gang had something to do with it. Acquaintances all around. The ringleader tends to skate on lots of things? Are there forums on WS that can help in finding info on Ky affiliates of KF? I'll look. I know there's a lot of family in Ky, including the other KR that was chased. Here I go into murky waters where names are the same and everybody is related.

 

[almond]

IMO, CG swoooped I’m rather quick after HMR & JW broke up. One can look at her IG, which is still public and you can tell when they spilt. And then if you go to her other fb that is NOT memorialized, you can then do some clicking to read comments on CG’s fb profile pics which would indicate they were an item, maybe not “fb official”, but definitely a romantic interest by the end of April 2015/early May 2015.

His sister influenced that, I think. Hooked them up. moo

 

[Dudly]

Most everyone learns their dogs different types of barking, or their lack thereof. They don't always pay attention to them though. The R's place probably had a lot of traffic, friends and friends of friends, hanging out and working on vehicles, and, if the weed is true, buying weed. Dogs get used to the traffic.

They had pitts and hounds. Most pitts aren't barkers. They do the swift and silent thing. The hounds? I don't care if they are coon hounds, fox hounds, walkers, or beagles, they'll bark, it's in their dna, and they'll do it all the flippin' time, over anything. If one of them goes off, they ALL go off and they'll "sing" forEVER. I love to hear them, but maybe not 10 or 15 deep, in my backyard (although it does turn into white noise after awhile).

The only dog that stands out, to me, is Brownie. KR was off to himself. If Brownie reacted the way that DS said she/he did, when LE arrived, then I feel that KR knew his killer, and Brownie knew KR's killer too, otherwise, a stranger would not have gotten too far inside the trailer, without KR knowing someone was there, and having time to reach for protection, which KR2 said, was kept under KR's pillow.

I have a feeling this was the case at CR1's and FR's place. You get so used to hearing noise, you ignore it. I grew up less than a block from railroad tracks. Even the air horns for the crossings didn't wake you...

 

[rsd1200]

Yes Yes and Yes! All of the above. What if Kenny had a girlfriend, hypothetically. Drugs, yes, not just weed, and not CRsr. I really do think this gang had something to do with it. Acquaintances all around. The ringleader tends to skate on lots of things? Are there forums on WS that can help in finding info on Ky affiliates of KF? I'll look. I know there's a lot of family in Ky, including the other KR that was chased. Here I go into murky waters where names are the same and everybody is related.

Most of what I've seen, I've felt, originated from being incarcerated. It's the "family business" that keeps them tied together, more-so than a gang affiliation. Again, I could be wrong, but I feel that this was hatred, or revenge. Probably about drugs, possibly about jealousy. Sex, Money, Drugs are the usual reasons that folks end up in jail for murder.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

His sister influenced that, I think. Hooked them up. moo

Realistically, I believe it’s safe to ask if this is something that could’ve started before her and JW’s break up. OR PERHAPS, CG was HMR’s added motivation to get out of an unhealthy relationship with JW. I doubt it...but young adults often move on to another before they’ve completely ended one relationship. It happens all of the time.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I watched the Datleline yesterday about “Dirty John”. If anyone hasn’t seen it yet, I’ll try not to be a spoiler. One of the victims on this episode spoke about how she “aimed for the EYE because in THE WALKING DEAD, that’s how you kill Zombies” (paraphrasing) I know it’s a long stretch, but my immediate thought was how we were discussing 3 victims being shot in the eye and then I remembered B’s statement about finding his father and thinking he was a Zombie because of the families love for watching TWD. I wonder if the killers aimed for the eye because it’s something they learned from a favorite tv show. Again, I know it’s an out there thought and probably a coincidence.

 

[Liora Bentley]

Realistically, I believe it’s safe to ask if this is something that could’ve started before her and JW’s break up. OR PERHAPS, CG was HMR’s added motivation to get out of an unhealthy relationship with JW. I doubt it...but young adults often move on to another before they’ve completely ended one relationship. It happens all of the time.

I'm really enjoying reading your take on the case, I've long felt Hanna Rhoden is the fulcrum in this.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I'm really enjoying reading your take on the case, I've long felt Hanna Rhoden is the fulcrum in this.

I often lean towards thinking that but I still can’t get the Greenup to Detroit pipeline out of the back of my head and GR’s connections to that and/or any other drug connections on behalf of CR1.

The dates are so odd though. In April of 2015 things seemed to be heating up between CG & HMR and whole year later, 4 days after giving birth to CG’s baby, HMR AND all of her immediate family were murdered in April 2016.

HMR’s child with JW wasn’t present (thankfully another child wasn’t there BUT it’s awfully coincidental S wasn’t home)

HHG is one of the 3 victims shot the most, tied with the same number of shots inflicted upon DR. What could that little girl have done wrong to deserve what happened to her? If she was a liability, why was she shot 5x in the face?

And to my knowledge, HMR was one of the victims shot the least, besides KR.

These murders can easily look like the killers had anger towards HHG & DR , with each being shot 5x and had emotional attachment to HMR, with her being shot 2x (that’s IMO because I cannot find a MSM source to verify that)

There was also probably anger towards CR1 BUT he was shot so many times because he was either awake or woke up and became a moving target.

IMO, KR was shot because he posed a risk to interrupting the murderous activity on UHR in the early morning hours.

I guess it either goes one way or the other-KR & GR were both killed because 1) GR happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 2) KR was killed so he didn’t interrupt anything

OR

KR/GR/CR1 were all the cause of this and the other 5 victims were liabilities.

I just lean towards KR/GR being the liabilities versus DR/HMR/CR2/FR/HHG being the liabilities. 2 liabilities versus 5 liabilities.

IMO, the W’s had both a business and personal agenda. Custody and a new child were the fuel on the smoldering fire.

Every person who could seek custody and/or visitation in the event of the death of S’ mother Is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak the facts about HMR/JW and direct knowledge of anything they witnessed and whether custody was an issue is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak with direct knowledge of business dealings between the W’s & R’s is now dead-besides the W’s who can now paint a picture across the board of how they want things between them and the R’s to appear.

 

[Betty P]

Ruby seems like a man who isn't put off easily, so why no reward when LE has said cartel isn't involved. Who is he afraid of?

JMO, LE told him some story/theory to scare him away from offering a reward. LE later waited several weeks before announcing a reward through local crime stoppers. They only did so after the news media began asking questions about why no reward was being offered. Even after announcing it, they barely spoke of the reward in the year after the murders. It wasn't until the 1st anniversary that they spoke much about the reward in the news media and vaguely suggested people donate to the fund.

Even today, you seldom hear LE mention the reward, nowadays they don't even like to mention the murders unless they have to.

Bottom line, LE has resisted offering a reward for information about the killings from day one. Why would they do that? Rewards don't always help find killers, but I can't think of any example where offering a reward hindered arrest and/or prosecution of a killer.

JMO, this question, along with lack of any involvement of outside law enforcement are issues that need to be discussed and answered.

 

[Betty P]

I often lean towards thinking that but I still can’t get the Greenup to Detroit pipeline out of the back of my head and GR’s connections to that and/or any other drug connections on behalf of CR1.

The dates are so odd though. In April of 2015 things seemed to be heating up between CG & HMR and whole year later, 4 days after giving birth to CG’s baby, HMR AND all of her immediate family were murdered in April 2016.

HMR’s child with JW wasn’t present (thankfully another child wasn’t there BUT it’s awfully coincidental S wasn’t home)

HHG is one of the 3 victims shot the most, tied with the same number of shots inflicted upon DR. What could that little girl have done wrong to deserve what happened to her? If she was a liability, why was she shot 5x in the face?

And to my knowledge, HMR was one of the victims shot the least, besides KR.

These murders can easily look like the killers had anger towards HHG & DR , with each being shot 5x and had emotional attachment to HMR, with her being shot 2x (that’s IMO because I cannot find a MSM source to verify that)

There was also probably anger towards CR1 BUT he was shot so many times because he was either awake or woke up and became a moving target.

IMO, KR was shot because he posed a risk to interrupting the murderous activity on UHR in the early morning hours.

I guess it either goes one way or the other-KR & GR were both killed because 1) GR happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 2) KR was killed so he didn’t interrupt anything

OR

KR/GR/CR1 were all the cause of this and the other 5 victims were liabilities.

I just lean towards KR/GR being the liabilities versus DR/HMR/CR2/FR/HHG being the liabilities. 2 liabilities versus 5 liabilities.

IMO, the W’s had both a business and personal agenda. Custody and a new child were the fuel on the smoldering fire.

Every person who could seek custody and/or visitation in the event of the death of S’ mother Is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak the facts about HMR/JW and direct knowledge of anything they witnessed and whether custody was an issue is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak with direct knowledge of business dealings between the W’s & R’s is now dead-besides the W’s who can now paint a picture across the board of how they want things between them and the R’s to appear.

And do the churches somehow tie into all this? Both the anonymous church on the W family property and the one now located in AK.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

IMO, CG swoooped I’m rather quick after HMR & JW broke up. One can look at her IG, which is still public and you can tell when they spilt. And then if you go to her other fb that is NOT memorialized, you can then do some clicking to read comments on CG’s fb profile pics which would indicate they were an item, maybe not “fb official”, but definitely a romantic interest by the end of April 2015/early May 2015.

BBM

He may even have been the cause of the breakup. At any rate, the hostility toward HHG, with the 5 shots to the face is, I feel, due to the hatred of CG.

I think there was a lot of hatred toward CR1 so 9 shots.
I can see it taking 3 to subdue GR but no hatred.
No hatred with KR and his 1 shot.
A lot of hatred with DR and the 5 shots.
A lot of hatred with HHG and the 5 shots.

So I think to myself, if it was a custody battle between HR and JW, why take out FR and HHG? What did HHG have to do with anything? Why take out KR? So I started breaking it down by crime scenes.

CR1's trailer.
CR1 was the primary target. 9 shots.
GR was just there. 3 shots.

DR's trailer.
HR was the primary target. ? shots.
DR was a primary target. 5 shots.
CR2 was just there. ? shots.

KR's trailer. 1 shot.
KR was the primary target. (I think to get keys to the other homes).

FR's trailer.
HHG was the primary target. 5 shots.
FR was just there. ? shots.

Have I missed anything?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I often lean towards thinking that but I still can’t get the Greenup to Detroit pipeline out of the back of my head and GR’s connections to that and/or any other drug connections on behalf of CR1.

The dates are so odd though. In April of 2015 things seemed to be heating up between CG & HMR and whole year later, 4 days after giving birth to CG’s baby, HMR AND all of her immediate family were murdered in April 2016.

HMR’s child with JW wasn’t present (thankfully another child wasn’t there BUT it’s awfully coincidental S wasn’t home)

HHG is one of the 3 victims shot the most, tied with the same number of shots inflicted upon DR. What could that little girl have done wrong to deserve what happened to her? If she was a liability, why was she shot 5x in the face?

And to my knowledge, HMR was one of the victims shot the least, besides KR.

These murders can easily look like the killers had anger towards HHG & DR , with each being shot 5x and had emotional attachment to HMR, with her being shot 2x (that’s IMO because I cannot find a MSM source to verify that)

There was also probably anger towards CR1 BUT he was shot so many times because he was either awake or woke up and became a moving target.

IMO, KR was shot because he posed a risk to interrupting the murderous activity on UHR in the early morning hours.

I guess it either goes one way or the other-KR & GR were both killed because 1) GR happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 2) KR was killed so he didn’t interrupt anything

OR

KR/GR/CR1 were all the cause of this and the other 5 victims were liabilities.

I just lean towards KR/GR being the liabilities versus DR/HMR/CR2/FR/HHG being the liabilities. 2 liabilities versus 5 liabilities.

IMO, the W’s had both a business and personal agenda. Custody and a new child were the fuel on the smoldering fire.

Every person who could seek custody and/or visitation in the event of the death of S’ mother Is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak the facts about HMR/JW and direct knowledge of anything they witnessed and whether custody was an issue is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak with direct knowledge of business dealings between the W’s & R’s is now dead-besides the W’s who can now paint a picture across the board of how they want things between them and the R’s to appear.

I often lean towards thinking that but I still can’t get the Greenup to Detroit pipeline out of the back of my head and GR’s connections to that and/or any other drug connections on behalf of CR1.

The dates are so odd though. In April of 2015 things seemed to be heating up between CG & HMR and whole year later, 4 days after giving birth to CG’s baby, HMR AND all of her immediate family were murdered in April 2016.

HMR’s child with JW wasn’t present (thankfully another child wasn’t there BUT it’s awfully coincidental S wasn’t home)

HHG is one of the 3 victims shot the most, tied with the same number of shots inflicted upon DR. What could that little girl have done wrong to deserve what happened to her? If she was a liability, why was she shot 5x in the face?

And to my knowledge, HMR was one of the victims shot the least, besides KR.

These murders can easily look like the killers had anger towards HHG & DR , with each being shot 5x and had emotional attachment to HMR, with her being shot 2x (that’s IMO because I cannot find a MSM source to verify that)

There was also probably anger towards CR1 BUT he was shot so many times because he was either awake or woke up and became a moving target.

IMO, KR was shot because he posed a risk to interrupting the murderous activity on UHR in the early morning hours.

I guess it either goes one way or the other-KR & GR were both killed because 1) GR happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 2) KR was killed so he didn’t interrupt anything

OR

KR/GR/CR1 were all the cause of this and the other 5 victims were liabilities.

I just lean towards KR/GR being the liabilities versus DR/HMR/CR2/FR/HHG being the liabilities. 2 liabilities versus 5 liabilities.

IMO, the W’s had both a business and personal agenda. Custody and a new child were the fuel on the smoldering fire.

Every person who could seek custody and/or visitation in the event of the death of S’ mother Is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak the facts about HMR/JW and direct knowledge of anything they witnessed and whether custody was an issue is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak with direct knowledge of business dealings between the W’s & R’s is now dead-besides the W’s who can now paint a picture across the board of how they want things between them and the R’s to appear.

BBM

Don't forget the confrontation between DR and JW at the hospital when the baby was born. Plus I think as her mother, Dr was strongly encouraging HR to get away from JW if he was abusive.

JMO

 

[Dudly]

I often lean towards thinking that but I still can’t get the Greenup to Detroit pipeline out of the back of my head and GR’s connections to that and/or any other drug connections on behalf of CR1.

The dates are so odd though. In April of 2015 things seemed to be heating up between CG & HMR and whole year later, 4 days after giving birth to CG’s baby, HMR AND all of her immediate family were murdered in April 2016.

HMR’s child with JW wasn’t present (thankfully another child wasn’t there BUT it’s awfully coincidental S wasn’t home)

HHG is one of the 3 victims shot the most, tied with the same number of shots inflicted upon DR. What could that little girl have done wrong to deserve what happened to her? If she was a liability, why was she shot 5x in the face?

And to my knowledge, HMR was one of the victims shot the least, besides KR.

These murders can easily look like the killers had anger towards HHG & DR , with each being shot 5x and had emotional attachment to HMR, with her being shot 2x (that’s IMO because I cannot find a MSM source to verify that)

There was also probably anger towards CR1 BUT he was shot so many times because he was either awake or woke up and became a moving target.

IMO, KR was shot because he posed a risk to interrupting the murderous activity on UHR in the early morning hours.

I guess it either goes one way or the other-KR & GR were both killed because 1) GR happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time 2) KR was killed so he didn’t interrupt anything

OR

KR/GR/CR1 were all the cause of this and the other 5 victims were liabilities.

I just lean towards KR/GR being the liabilities versus DR/HMR/CR2/FR/HHG being the liabilities. 2 liabilities versus 5 liabilities.

IMO, the W’s had both a business and personal agenda. Custody and a new child were the fuel on the smoldering fire.

Every person who could seek custody and/or visitation in the event of the death of S’ mother Is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak the facts about HMR/JW and direct knowledge of anything they witnessed and whether custody was an issue is now dead-besides the W’s.

Every person who could speak with direct knowledge of business dealings between the W’s & R’s is now dead-besides the W’s who can now paint a picture across the board of how they want things between them and the R’s to appear.

Always keep in mind that $30,000 cash was paid down on DR's home. Where did that come from? If that money was owed to someone, skimmed or how ever obtained, they may have made sure no one in the family benefited from that purchase...

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM

He may even have been the cause of the breakup. At any rate, the hostility toward HHG, with the 5 shots to the face is, I feel, due to the hatred of CG.

I think there was a lot of hatred toward CR1 so 9 shots.
I can see it taking 3 to subdue GR but no hatred.
No hatred with KR and his 1 shot.
A lot of hatred with DR and the 5 shots.
A lot of hatred with HHG and the 5 shots.

So I think to myself, if it was a custody battle between HR and JW, why take out FR and HHG? What did HHG have to do with anything? Why take out KR? So I started breaking it down by crime scenes.

CR1's trailer.
CR1 was the primary target. 9 shots.
GR was just there. 3 shots.

DR's trailer.
HR was the primary target. ? shots.
DR was a primary target. 5 shots.
CR2 was just there. ? shots.

KR's trailer. 1 shot.
KR was the primary target. (I think to get keys to the other homes).

FR's trailer.
HHG was the primary target. 5 shots.
FR was just there. ? shots.

Have I missed anything?

This is the problem I have with KR being targeted for keys.

Who would have keys to all of the homes? CR1, DR, and/or FR.

Once CR1 was killed, the killers most likely would’ve had access to all the keys to the other two home on UHR in CR1’s possession.

And that’s if the doors were even locked. Yes, the R’s had confrontations and threats in the weeks before their murders BUT they also lived on a road surrounded by other family members up and down the road, where they most likely felt pretty safe. We don’t know that they even locked their doors at night.

OR In light of the recent reconciliation between Dana and Chris, maybe Dana had her door unlocked expecting Chris to come over that night.

Or the killers could’ve used the victims cell phones to text the next house.

Example...CR1 is dead. The killer picks up CR1’s cell phone and texts DR, pretending to be Chris with a text that says “hey I’m on my way over (or I’ll be there soon), leave the door unlocked for me”

CR1 also kept a key outside his trailer. We learned that from BJM. If she knew that, I feel like it’s safe to assume all family and close friends to CR1 would’ve known a key was kept outside. I mean, she fetched that key when the door was locked and there were two people in her car that could’ve seen that. One person gets a key, two people see and now 3 people know there’s a key kept outside the house when only one person originally knew about the key. That same scenario could’ve happened many times before with any family/friend/bf/gf going to CR1’s prior to
the murders. IMO, it just doesn’t seem like the key kept outside was a secret and chances are many people could’ve know that key was there.

I whole heartedly believe KR was killed because he was known to go to CR1’s early in the morning before work to shower, because he didn’t have running water at his camper. The killers knew that too IMO.

Those are just a couple of scenarios and ideas. There’s so many variables that make it next to impossible for us to nail down one reason for this or one reason for that.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Always keep in mind that $30,000 cash was paid down on DR's home. Where did that come from? If that money was owed to someone, skimmed or how ever obtained, they may have made sure no one in the family benefited from that purchase...

I definitely keep that in mind. I wonder if CR1 skimmed that off of business dealings. Specifically any business dealings he had with GW3.

 

[Dudly]

JMO, LE told him some story/theory to scare him away from offering a reward. LE later waited several weeks before announcing a reward through local crime stoppers. They only did so after the news media began asking questions about why no reward was being offered. Even after announcing it, they barely spoke of the reward in the year after the murders. It wasn't until the 1st anniversary that they spoke much about the reward in the news media and vaguely suggested people donate to the fund.

Even today, you seldom hear LE mention the reward, nowadays they don't even like to mention the murders unless they have to.

Bottom line, LE has resisted offering a reward for information about the killings from day one. Why would they do that? Rewards don't always help find killers, but I can't think of any example where offering a reward hindered arrest and/or prosecution of a killer.

JMO, this question, along with lack of any involvement of outside law enforcement are issues that need to be discussed and answered.

This also leads back to possible local upstanding people being involved in illegal activities. Attorneys, LE, judges, and politicians all have been found to be involved in drug deals. It is quick and easy money with a big return on investment...

 

[MittenScarpetta]

BBM

Don't forget the confrontation between DR and JW at the hospital when the baby was born. Plus I think as her mother, Dr was strongly encouraging HR to get away from JW if he was abusive.

JMO

I’ve never been able to confirm that as fact. I wish I could find a verifiable source for that supposed confrontation. The argument I have seen when HMR was still in the hospital was between her, FR, & HHG over CH & CG. I still have it saved, even though it’s no longer able to be viewed publicly after fb settings were changed on the deceased’s fb’s.

ETA that particular argument not only solidified before the murders who the father of K was but it also shows that all of the R family along with HMR knew who the father was. It wasn’t a secret nor was JW mentioned.

 

[Dudly]

It is totally amazing how many possible causes there are for these murders with the little info known to the public. I'm starting to understand LE being overwhelmed in the beginning with all the possibilities. No crime/mystery writer or even science fiction writer could make this up...

 

[rsd1200]

Always keep in mind that $30,000 cash was paid down on DR's home. Where did that come from? If that money was owed to someone, skimmed or how ever obtained, they may have made sure no one in the family benefited from that purchase...

That $$ was coming from somewhere, and I'm not just talking about the $$ for a cash payment toward that piece of land for DR, either. Folks have been killed over far less $$ than that.