OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #34 *Arrests*

[ilovepierre]

Hi everybody im new so please be nice. Iv followed from the first day and i have a few questions.
first do any of you believe this to be a random not thought out and a out of the blue crime.
Second could anyone narrow down the sort of people(more than one) capable of doing such a crime and the mindset needed to carry it out.
Third we all know the crime so when you answer the second question then what (or whom) benefited after said crime i think if we had a few more pieces that le is holding it would come together. Couple names standout but i believe one maybe 2 more are involved i havnt read or viewed anything in 2 years to proove me wrong in my thought im not comfortable in giving the names but if you answer the 3 questions then it really narrows down and leaves out many. i wanted to ask a few questions and maybe someone can change my mind. I dont know any of the people or the state involved im just following all of your thoughts. Thanks everybody hope le releases more and i hope its solved soon.

Welcome to WS!

1) I don't believe this was a random crime. This was planned to some extent. Some of the victims may have been "wrong place, wrong time," though.

2) Someone(s) with a grudge or some kind of hatred for the Rhodens are the sort of people who would be capable of carrying out this crime.

3) The W's would benefit from the murders as there was a child custody battle going on and with the Rhodens out of the picture, the W's would get custody of that child.

This is all JMO.

 

[Nickandnora]

MizStery, sending you best wishes for a speedy recovery and healing on your surgery.

 

[Nickandnora]

Welcome to WS!

1) I don't believe this was a random crime. This was planned to some extent. Some of the victims may have been "wrong place, wrong time," though.

2) Someone(s) with a grudge or some kind of hatred for the Rhodens are the sort of people who would be capable of carrying out this crime.

3) The W's would benefit from the murders as there was a child custody battle going on and with the Rhodens out of the picture, the W's would get custody of that child.

This is all JMO.

I’m not sure it has been verified that there was a child custody battle going on. My understanding was they had worked out a arrangement on their own, and not went to court.

 

[ilovepierre]

I’m not sure it has been verified that there was a child custody battle going on. My understanding was they had worked out a arrangement on their own, and not went to court.

Maybe someone didn't like the arrangement that was worked out and decided to take matters into their own hands?

IMO

 

[Knuckles]

Welcome to WS!

1) I don't believe this was a random crime. This was planned to some extent. Some of the victims may have been "wrong place, wrong time," though.

2) Someone(s) with a grudge or some kind of hatred for the Rhodens are the sort of people who would be capable of carrying out this crime.

3) The W's would benefit from the murders as there was a child custody battle going on and with the Rhodens out of the picture, the W's would get custody of that child.

This is all JMO.

Welcome to WS!

1) I don't believe this was a random crime. This was planned to some extent. Some of the victims may have been "wrong place, wrong time," though.

2) Someone(s) with a grudge or some kind of hatred for the Rhodens are the sort of people who would be capable of carrying out this crime.

3) The W's would benefit from the murders as there was a child custody battle going on and with the Rhodens out of the picture, the W's would get custody of that child.

This is all JMO.

High. iv heard the Ws from almost day one well week one. its jmo but when you have stuff to loose you dont look at things in a forced way of thinking you look at it with knowledge and yes money when your a man and working everyday like jw you gain in monetary things and you gain knowledge and the longer you work the more you gain in both. look at it this way he was a truck driver he wouldnt want his daughter in any harm and hiring anyone to do this or doing it himself would harm his daughter in one way for the rest of her life by bringing suspicion about him for the rest of her life even if he did it or not and if the killers are not caught she still may have this thought.sad. i hope you understand what im saying so jw driving a truck alone all day he may have thought stupid stuff all men do but acting on them..?. but i could be wrong acting upon your thoughts maybe someone close seen Jw going down a rough road and did this without his knowledge but? Jmo... if le had a spec of anything about jw or connection to jw or a slight wind to a hounds ear that jw or his family had (anything) then that baby girl would not be with him. Thats jmo
Second "this was planned to some extent" thats interesting i think your right and what i mean is it was kinda planned but not like a military sort of way but like a few days or week in advance sort of way. like a couple of guys got to thinking right then they need one or two more but thats it less is better right so i agree it was half%/*!,, planned but think of the shots involved and the time of night and locations it all adds up and it narrows down the people it could be by alot.
All of you here are right im a outsider looking in and what i see is this Crsr was a hustler (thats not a bad thing or person) he worked on cars and bought sold used cars delt some weed but didnt he also work a regular job helping out at some campground? but he kept the power on and it looks like people around him didnt miss meals he was trying im just saying he seemed to try and provide. to some people his kind is not a productive part of society contrasting to a 40hr worker clocking in and out but being self employed you work and work but to some thats concidered prey and these vultures are waiting for a weakness to pounce. Crsr could have been a doctor lawyer who also dabbled in side activities but to vultures they are all prey. Doctors and lawyers are killed some in the same way but Crsr was making money period how much? il bet be never told anyone the truth he couldnt bragg look where he lived he couldnt build a 10 bedroom house drive a new corvette or new truck because that would show to much but he may have messed up when he built a new big garage and bought a nice place for D look where he lived and who he lived around and le anything he did everybody who knew judged and woundered now think about prey. il bet Crsr knew and he was on alert not just recently he was always on alert. jmo he knew but he didnt know who would but il bet he told a few people "listen keep an eye on so and so" i think your all right very close mixed with animosity some jelousy and the biggie. prey but its jmo thanks

 

[Dudly]

Yeah but its been reported GR was shot with a large caliber and you have KR only being shot once. I don't believe the killers used smaller calibers to keep noise down then rang out with the biggest gun they had on GR. That wouldn't make any sense. It was also reported that any of the shots received by DR would have more than likely been fatal. Why shoot her 4 more times if you are a pro and trying to keep noise down?

Who was it that reported any of the shots would have killed DR?

 

[Dudly]

Agree on most of your theory. CR1 may have been looking to expand his operations and the increase in money would help. I've thought about him getting killed over keeping aside money owed to someone else to put the down payment on the new place. Wouldn't it usually take more than a bad debt to kill someone? CR1 had a growing business and would be able to make his "bosses" much more money. OTOH, his growing operation could have threatened a competitor.

My main theory is still that someone was passing along the word that CR1 was snitching, possibly to someone like the Feds. Not sure if that was true, but it would make a convenient excuse to convince someone to eliminate your competitor.

BBM
We know that method was used by LE with the women in nearby Chillicothe, Ohio, per the documentary made.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

High. iv heard the Ws from almost day one well week one. its jmo but when you have stuff to loose you dont look at things in a forced way of thinking you look at it with knowledge and yes money when your a man and working everyday like jw you gain in monetary things and you gain knowledge and the longer you work the more you gain in both. look at it this way he was a truck driver he wouldnt want his daughter in any harm and hiring anyone to do this or doing it himself would harm his daughter in one way for the rest of her life by bringing suspicion about him for the rest of her life even if he did it or not and if the killers are not caught she still may have this thought.sad. i hope you understand what im saying so jw driving a truck alone all day he may have thought stupid stuff all men do but acting on them..?. but i could be wrong acting upon your thoughts maybe someone close seen Jw going down a rough road and did this without his knowledge but? Jmo... if le had a spec of anything about jw or connection to jw or a slight wind to a hounds ear that jw or his family had (anything) then that baby girl would not be with him. Thats jmo
Second "this was planned to some extent" thats interesting i think your right and what i mean is it was kinda planned but not like a military sort of way but like a few days or week in advance sort of way. like a couple of guys got to thinking right then they need one or two more but thats it less is better right so i agree it was half%/*!,, planned but think of the shots involved and the time of night and locations it all adds up and it narrows down the people it could be by alot.
All of you here are right im a outsider looking in and what i see is this Crsr was a hustler (thats not a bad thing or person) he worked on cars and bought sold used cars delt some weed but didnt he also work a regular job helping out at some campground? but he kept the power on and it looks like people around him didnt miss meals he was trying im just saying he seemed to try and provide. to some people his kind is not a productive part of society contrasting to a 40hr worker clocking in and out but being self employed you work and work but to some thats concidered prey and these vultures are waiting for a weakness to pounce. Crsr could have been a doctor lawyer who also dabbled in side activities but to vultures they are all prey. Doctors and lawyers are killed some in the same way but Crsr was making money period how much? il bet be never told anyone the truth he couldnt bragg look where he lived he couldnt build a 10 bedroom house drive a new corvette or new truck because that would show to much but he may have messed up when he built a new big garage and bought a nice place for D look where he lived and who he lived around and le anything he did everybody who knew judged and woundered now think about prey. il bet Crsr knew and he was on alert not just recently he was always on alert. jmo he knew but he didnt know who would but il bet he told a few people "listen keep an eye on so and so" i think your all right very close mixed with animosity some jelousy and the biggie. prey but its jmo thanks

BBM

i hope you understand what im saying so jw driving a truck alone all day he may have thought stupid stuff all men do but acting on them..?.

Welcome to WS!!

It depends on what kind of person JW was. Some men (and women) might be angry and talk a big game (like I'm going to kill that ....) or fantasize about their ex-spouse being dead and that's as far as it goes.

There are other type people who stew and stew about it all then decide to go kill the ex-spouse and even the spouse's entire family. Sometimes they even kill their own children along with the ex-spouse and other family. There are so many examples of this that the news is filled with them just about every day. One man killed his ex-wife then drove 90 miles to kill her parents, sister and even a cousin.

These type people are narcissistic and are sociopaths. They don't care how much it hurts their children to lose a parent. They figure their kids will get over it in time. They have no empathy for anyone not even their kids. They just see someone in their way to getting what they want and get rid of that problem.

JW and his parents (especially his mother AW) had a dream about moving to Alaska. But they were not about to move and leave little SW behind. So first they went to HR and tried to get her to sign over her parental rights to JW (per LM). Then a couple of weeks later BW and CRsr had a physical altercation over the W's trying to bully HR into signing over her parental rights.

Two weeks after all that, the R's were dead.

It has been stated by numerous family and friends that JW and HR were in a custody battle that was getting ready to hit the courts. Some have speculated that JW might have been going to use the fact that CRsr grew and sold pot to show that HR and SW lived in an unfit home. It has been speculated that CRsr buying DR the new house was so HR could go to court for custody and show she lived in a good house. I too feel that the timing of buying the house played a part in the murders happening when they did.

You may not think there is any evidence against the W's but DeWine naming them as being under "laser focus" means a lot. Then asking the public for any information as to dealing with them concerning vehicles, firearms and ammo is akin to naming them persons of interest or suspects. The man plastered their pictures in the news media all over the world. That would be a very irresponsible thing for DeWine to do without being sure they are the killers. Putting their names and pictures out there in news media could have grave consequences if someone unstable decided to take matters into their own hands and get justice for the R's. DeWine is not a stupid person so I cannot believe he would not have known how dangerous a move that was if the W's were innocent and even if he didn't think of it, I am sure some of his advisers and employees did and pointed it out to him. The man is not going to risk his political career by pointing a finger at innocent people and risk getting them killed by some nutcase bent on revenge or justice.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

BBM
We know that method was used by LE with the women in nearby Chillicothe, Ohio, per the documentary made.

The fact that the OAG office and BCI jumped in and took over the case within the first hour or so after the 911 call hints to me that there was already something going on, some problem that top LE knew was already brewing. JMO, they were shocked, but not surprised at what happened. MOO, etc.

Maybe that's was part of the problem that caused LE to come out to UHR the week before the murders, per LM's reference. As LM said (paraphrasing), they'll just cover this up like they've been doing for years. I still think it's possible the attempt to frame JM and his subsequent arrest were a possible attempt to make LM stop talking to the news media.

 

[Betty P]

High. iv heard the Ws from almost day one well week one. its jmo but when you have stuff to loose you dont look at things in a forced way of thinking you look at it with knowledge and yes money when your a man and working everyday like jw you gain in monetary things and you gain knowledge and the longer you work the more you gain in both. look at it this way he was a truck driver he wouldnt want his daughter in any harm and hiring anyone to do this or doing it himself would harm his daughter in one way for the rest of her life by bringing suspicion about him for the rest of her life even if he did it or not and if the killers are not caught she still may have this thought.sad. i hope you understand what im saying so jw driving a truck alone all day he may have thought stupid stuff all men do but acting on them..?. but i could be wrong acting upon your thoughts maybe someone close seen Jw going down a rough road and did this without his knowledge but? Jmo... if le had a spec of anything about jw or connection to jw or a slight wind to a hounds ear that jw or his family had (anything) then that baby girl would not be with him. Thats jmo
Second "this was planned to some extent" thats interesting i think your right and what i mean is it was kinda planned but not like a military sort of way but like a few days or week in advance sort of way. like a couple of guys got to thinking right then they need one or two more but thats it less is better right so i agree it was half%/*!,, planned but think of the shots involved and the time of night and locations it all adds up and it narrows down the people it could be by alot.
All of you here are right im a outsider looking in and what i see is this Crsr was a hustler (thats not a bad thing or person) he worked on cars and bought sold used cars delt some weed but didnt he also work a regular job helping out at some campground? but he kept the power on and it looks like people around him didnt miss meals he was trying im just saying he seemed to try and provide. to some people his kind is not a productive part of society contrasting to a 40hr worker clocking in and out but being self employed you work and work but to some thats concidered prey and these vultures are waiting for a weakness to pounce. Crsr could have been a doctor lawyer who also dabbled in side activities but to vultures they are all prey. Doctors and lawyers are killed some in the same way but Crsr was making money period how much? il bet be never told anyone the truth he couldnt bragg look where he lived he couldnt build a 10 bedroom house drive a new corvette or new truck because that would show to much but he may have messed up when he built a new big garage and bought a nice place for D look where he lived and who he lived around and le anything he did everybody who knew judged and woundered now think about prey. il bet Crsr knew and he was on alert not just recently he was always on alert. jmo he knew but he didnt know who would but il bet he told a few people "listen keep an eye on so and so" i think your all right very close mixed with animosity some jelousy and the biggie. prey but its jmo thanks

Hi! Welcome to Websleuths, Knuckles! I agree, CR1 was a hard worker, a smart guy who didn't reveal much to others about his business. He knew who to trust and knew which people to keep out of the loop, kept the details of his business dealings very secret. Those he did trust to know something about his business were likely also made aware of the danger in talking about it. Not danger from CR1, but from others.

I also don't think he was free and open about allowing all kinds of people into the trailer at 4077 Union Hill Rd. Sounds like he was on especially high alert the week before the murders and, from reports, he was not on good terms with LE. He was also on the outs with the W family, over their legal attempts to gain custody of little S. That said, he didn't seem like the kind of person who did things to create enemies or draw attention to himself, that just came with the "territory".

I think you make a good point that CR1 likely had enough of his own money set aside, money he couldn't spend without attracting attention. JMO, the purchase of DR's "new" home the month before the murders didn't cause problems because he "stole" the money, he didn't. But it angered someone else, for different reasons. Perhaps it drew unwanted attention. As some have speculated here, it could have been seen by the W family as throwing a "spanner in the works" in JW's attempt to gain custody of S. We may never know, but I hope some day we do find out.

 

[Iron city]

Who was it that reported any of the shots would have killed DR?

"Christopher Rhoden Sr. was shot nine times. His ex-wife, Dana Rhoden, was shot five times in the head. Any one of the shots would likely have killed her."

Pike County murders have aspects of 'professional hit,' expert says

This Doctors opinion is it has aspects of a professional hit. My opinion is anyone could portray a professional hit, the more portrayal of professionalism the less likely its anything actually involving a professional hitman. And I think many aspects make this a close personal hit on the family. "Pros" would've probably kicked in doors (maybe, maybe not), shot the dogs if they were aggressive, which they probably would have been because they wouldn't have known the "pros" and shot everyone in the face. I dont think they would have been putting guns to certain peoples heads (GR) or shooting victims in multiple specific locations in the head (DR). Opening windows, putting dogs on the porch all the other questionable things that have been hinted at just isn't "pro" hitman stuff.

all certainly JMO

 

[Dudly]

BBM

i hope you understand what im saying so jw driving a truck alone all day he may have thought stupid stuff all men do but acting on them..?.

Welcome to WS!!

It depends on what kind of person JW was. Some men (and women) might be angry and talk a big game (like I'm going to kill that ....) or fantasize about their ex-spouse being dead and that's as far as it goes.

There are other type people who stew and stew about it all then decide to go kill the ex-spouse and even the spouse's entire family. Sometimes they even kill their own children along with the ex-spouse and other family. There are so many examples of this that the news is filled with them just about every day. One man killed his ex-wife then drove 90 miles to kill her parents, sister and even a cousin.

These type people are narcissistic and are sociopaths. They don't care how much it hurts their children to lose a parent. They figure their kids will get over it in time. They have no empathy for anyone not even their kids. They just see someone in their way to getting what they want and get rid of that problem.

JW and his parents (especially his mother AW) had a dream about moving to Alaska. But they were not about to move and leave little SW behind. So first they went to HR and tried to get her to sign over her parental rights to JW (per LM). Then a couple of weeks later BW and CRsr had a physical altercation over the W's trying to bully HR into signing over her parental rights.

Two weeks after all that, the R's were dead.

It has been stated by numerous family and friends that JW and HR were in a custody battle that was getting ready to hit the courts. Some have speculated that JW might have been going to use the fact that CRsr grew and sold pot to show that HR and SW lived in an unfit home. It has been speculated that CRsr buying DR the new house was so HR could go to court for custody and show she lived in a good house. I too feel that the timing of buying the house played a part in the murders happening when they did.

You may not think there is any evidence against the W's but DeWine naming them as being under "laser focus" means a lot. Then asking the public for any information as to dealing with them concerning vehicles, firearms and ammo is akin to naming them persons of interest or suspects. The man plastered their pictures in the news media all over the world. That would be a very irresponsible thing for DeWine to do without being sure they are the killers. Putting their names and pictures out there in news media could have grave consequences if someone unstable decided to take matters into their own hands and get justice for the R's. DeWine is not a stupid person so I cannot believe he would not have known how dangerous a move that was if the W's were innocent and even if he didn't think of it, I am sure some of his advisers and employees did and pointed it out to him. The man is not going to risk his political career by pointing a finger at innocent people and risk getting them killed by some nutcase bent on revenge or justice.

JMO

To the best of my knowledge a fight between BW and CRsr has never been corroborated by a reliable source that would meet Web Sleuth's requirements.. I think the same goes for the custody battle.
DeWine has never accused the W's of anything and has never said they are suspects. He said he had a "laser focus" on them. What exactly does that mean? I've heard that is a phrase he commonly uses so it may not mean much. For all we know, the focus may have been to eliminate them as suspects. No one has any idea what DeWine's motives are for anything he has said or done in this case. Nothing done to this point is what is normally done in similar cases. Why?

 

[RAISINISBACK]

To the best of my knowledge a fight between BW and CRsr has never been corroborated by a reliable source that would meet Web Sleuth's requirements.. I think the same goes for the custody battle.
DeWine has never accused the W's of anything and has never said they are suspects. He said he had a "laser focus" on them. What exactly does that mean? I've heard that is a phrase he commonly uses so it may not mean much. For all we know, the focus may have been to eliminate them as suspects. No one has any idea what DeWine's motives are for anything he has said or done in this case. Nothing done to this point is what is normally done in similar cases. Why?

He may not have named them as suspects, but that "laser focus" in conjunction with plastering their pictures (which were chosen to make them look like mug shots) all over worldwide media put a target on the backs of the four W's as far as singling them out and making it look as if LE knew they were guilty. That put them in danger with any nutcase (and we know there are many) out there who decided to get revenge or justice for the R's.

DeWine had to know what he was doing when he did that. A man in his position would not have been allowed to be ignorant of the fact he was putting a target on the W's backs. In other words if he didn't know it, there were probably numerous people in his office and LE who were lined up to tell him.

DeWine is a political person. They are different animals than the rest of us. They don't make a move until they consider how it looks to the voters. And DeWine did not "laser focus" the W's and plaster their pictures all over God's green earth then ask for anyone with any dealing concerning vehicles, firearms and ammo to call in without considering how it would look to voters if that very public move resulted in the deaths of four people. Especially four innocent people. After all would you vote for someone for governor who got four innocent people killed with one reckless move?

No DeWine being the very politically savvy person he is would not have risked doing that unless he was about 99% certain the W's were the killers. He would not have risked his long career to make a move that could very well get four people killed unless he could justify it by knowing and being able to tell the voters the W's are guilty.

JMO

 

[Dudly]

He may not have named them as suspects, but that "laser focus" in conjunction with plastering their pictures (which were chosen to make them look like mug shots) all over worldwide media put a target on the backs of the four W's as far as singling them out and making it look as if LE knew they were guilty. That put them in danger with any nutcase (and we know there are many) out there who decided to get revenge or justice for the R's.

DeWine had to know what he was doing when he did that. A man in his position would not have been allowed to be ignorant of the fact he was putting a target on the W's backs. In other words if he didn't know it, there were probably numerous people in his office and LE who were lined up to tell him.

DeWine is a political person. They are different animals than the rest of us. They don't make a move until they consider how it looks to the voters. And DeWine did not "laser focus" the W's and plaster their pictures all over God's green earth then ask for anyone with any dealing concerning vehicles, firearms and ammo to call in without considering how it would look to voters if that very public move resulted in the deaths of four people. Especially four innocent people. After all would you vote for someone for governor who got four innocent people killed with one reckless move?

No DeWine being the very politically savvy person he is would not have risked doing that unless he was about 99% certain the W's were the killers. He would not have risked his long career to make a move that could very well get four people killed unless he could justify it by knowing and being able to tell the voters the W's are guilty.

JMO

You have made it quite clear from the beginning that you think the W's are guilty. So anything said, done, or not done, that might corroborate your line of thinking is right on... Personally, I don't see enough evidence released to have any idea who might be guilty.

 

[Knuckles]

High. I agree with all of you if thats ok jw being lazer focus is all was said when asked why im sorry but iv never heard why? if it was a custody issue le never said that? But you hit on something that goes with my thought maybe jw was moving wanted his baby and also wanted a little cash and smoke to sell once there and figured lets do it all at once? But. A man who is going to kill all these people knowing that le would have a few issues already documented between these two (crsr and the w's)? i just dont think he would be that stupid but heart over brains i can see. like i said before jw seemed to be somewhat stable he was working a good job was still in his daughters life up to that night (?) And honostly still maybe playing with baby mama..lol? i think the man relized his daughter was home she would be fine but when all this went down he did step up and dewine said here take her so...? but what you said about dewine is correct what made him say lazer focus was it a informer who was caught and was saying anything or was it solid evidence? im just lost about this guy (dewine) its 2 years later i think we along with others need more evidence something is holding alot of evidence back the taking of homes iv never heard of and after so much time le would trickle things out to intice others to step up and help or give up knowing he was closing in but nothing why? i read things were sprayed on the walls thats all (hearsay) and i(we) dont know if thats a fact. Whoever did this im not bias if its jw and clan hang them all if its a group same. seems dewine needs help or just the opposite he knows 100% and le has everything under control and the ones who did this will tell someone and le is waiting them out. Iv followed from the start and honostly we all know what we know and until dewine lets us in we are stuck in limbo. Jmo thanks everybody

 

[Iron city]

High. I agree with all of you if thats ok jw being lazer focus is all was said when asked why im sorry but iv never heard why? if it was a custody issue le never said that? But you hit on something that goes with my thought maybe jw was moving wanted his baby and also wanted a little cash and smoke to sell once there and figured lets do it all at once? But. A man who is going to kill all these people knowing that le would have a few issues already documented between these two (crsr and the w's)? i just dont think he would be that stupid but heart over brains i can see. like i said before jw seemed to be somewhat stable he was working a good job was still in his daughters life up to that night (?) And honostly still maybe playing with baby mama..lol? i think the man relized his daughter was home she would be fine but when all this went down he did step up and dewine said here take her so...? but what you said about dewine is correct what made him say lazer focus was it a informer who was caught and was saying anything or was it solid evidence? im just lost about this guy (dewine) its 2 years later i think we along with others need more evidence something is holding alot of evidence back the taking of homes iv never heard of and after so much time le would trickle things out to intice others to step up and help or give up knowing he was closing in but nothing why? i read things were sprayed on the walls thats all (hearsay) and i(we) dont know if thats a fact. Whoever did this im not bias if its jw and clan hang them all if its a group same. seems dewine needs help or just the opposite he knows 100% and le has everything under control and the ones who did this will tell someone and le is waiting them out. Iv followed from the start and honostly we all know what we know and until dewine lets us in we are stuck in limbo. Jmo thanks everybody

I think all we the public got out of JW being a "lesser focus" was that the family moved to Alaska, JW sent a potential denied text to JM the night of the murders and (not sure about this part being websleuth acceptable, not sure of links, however could be public) JW potentially sold JM the truck the investigators put the GPS on.

O and the search efforts on the W's didn't look "lesser focus".

 

[Betty P]

DeWine is not a stupid person so I cannot believe he would not have known how dangerous a move that was if the W's were innocent and even if he didn't think of it, I am sure some of his advisers and employees did and pointed it out to him. The man is not going to risk his political career by pointing a finger at innocent people and risk getting them killed by some nutcase bent on revenge or justice.

Hi! Welcome to Websleuths, Knuckles! I agree, CR1 was a hard worker, a smart guy who didn't reveal much to others about his business. He knew who to trust and knew which people to keep out of the loop, kept the details of his business dealings very secret. Those he did trust to know something about his business were likely also made aware of the danger in talking about it. Not danger from CR1, but from others.

I also don't think he was free and open about allowing all kinds of people into the trailer at 4077 Union Hill Rd. Sounds like he was on especially high alert the week before the murders and, from reports, he was not on good terms with LE. He was also on the outs with the W family, over their legal attempts to gain custody of little S. That said, he didn't seem like the kind of person who did things to create enemies or draw attention to himself, that just came with the "territory".

I think you make a good point that CR1 likely had enough of his own money set aside, money he couldn't spend without attracting attention. JMO, the purchase of DR's "new" home the month before the murders didn't cause problems because he "stole" the money, he didn't. But it angered someone else, for different reasons. Perhaps it drew unwanted attention. As some have speculated here, it could have been seen by the W family as throwing a "spanner in the works" in JW's attempt to gain custody of S. We may never know, but I hope some day we do find out.

To the best of my knowledge a fight between BW and CRsr has never been corroborated by a reliable source that would meet Web Sleuth's requirements.. I think the same goes for the custody battle.
DeWine has never accused the W's of anything and has never said they are suspects. He said he had a "laser focus" on them. What exactly does that mean? I've heard that is a phrase he commonly uses so it may not mean much. For all we know, the focus may have been to eliminate them as suspects. No one has any idea what DeWine's motives are for anything he has said or done in this case. Nothing done to this point is what is normally done in similar cases. Why?

JW was open talking to the news media about how much money he had been spending to get custody of S, even before the murders. Probably safe to assume there was tension because of that. Conversely, there's never been any valid proof that the W's were friends of the Rhodens, nor that they were "partners" in anything. No pho t is of the families together, etc.

 

[flute4peace]

I think all we the public got out of JW being a "lesser focus" was that the family moved to Alaska, JW sent a potential denied text to JM the night of the murders and (not sure about this part being websleuth acceptable, not sure of links, however could be public) JW potentially sold JM the truck the investigators put the GPS on.

O and the search efforts on the W's didn't look "lesser focus".

Lesser focus or laser? I always thought he was saying laser. Lesser means something else entirely and would certainly change my perception of things.

 

[pepper 34]

Any thoughts on chris & hanna being deceased before dana came home from work.

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I thought about that before but I don't think it's likely. My reasoning is, that DR got home from work around midnight or so, I believe. She was on her social media at about 2 am. Even if HR and CJr's doors were closed, I think she would have looked in to see if H was awake and would want to take a peek at her new grand baby.

 

[Knuckles]

High. Jmo i honostly believe this was a simple yet a very destructive robbery jmo i think it was carried out by 3 maybe 4 no more if you live in this area and are local then you would know crsr was rolling buying cars houses land hiring people and alot of people knew he was growing ect. Few here talk about the 30g for d house really thats not alot for a grower. I havnt heard how long his grow was going by anyone but if it was a few cycles then 30g cash was easy combined with car repairs auctions a regular job its not far fetched maybe he did borrow it but being only 30 days later whoever loans out 30g to a grown man you would give more time than 30 days and you certainly wouldnt kill the man then you never get paid so jmo crsr didnt get killed owing cash. But Someone bought from him cash of coarse and helpers or friends even family new he was holding how much who knows i think the robbers were hoping alot like 100g plus. This leads me back to he may have messed up he bought a house for d put a big garage up and im sure bought cars ect and this brings unwanted attention from the lowest of the low. So if we look at it as a simple (i know 8 souls but please follow) robbery then it narrows down to only a few or a couple.
Fact: they knew the properties(they went in and out without any detection even with farmlands the dogs ect they took a big gamble)they knew where to go and how to leave maybe locals but defenitly the killers have been on those properties before.
Fact:they knew the victims(how because of kr if this was a bozo crew they would have hit crsr fast took what they could product and cash and rolled out 1 or 2 dead and gone jmo. they were looking and took time to check 3 locations for product and cash and they did a simple check list they knew these people all of them and checked each one off. the victims knew the killers and the killers knew all of them the killers were interragating these people to find cash and product jmo
Fact: overkill i can only explain this a couple of ways they killed crsr they had to he wasnt going to just roll over but i think they went to him first looking and didnt like what was givin then they went to d second looking and didnt like what was givin and a last resort (maybe a victim trying to devert)said kr? but im not sure about the autopsy maybe kr was first but they were looking now the shots either drug induced or fear but.
Fact: they went there that night to kill how many i cant say but fact is they took enough ammo to reload and reload and i think reload one last time on the way out so
You tell me 2 maybe 3 killers brutal killings jmo this was not a grudge it wasnt over a baby girl to think any w's could pull a trigger over 35 times to me is not even feasable but thats jmo
Ok so you look at this situation presented what sort of people could pull a trigger so many times and what type of drugs would these type be doing at the time? it narrows down to only a few. jmo thanks