OH - Pike County: 8 People From One Family Dead As Police Hunt For Killer(s) #36 *Arrests*

[AdamsCounty]

I was at Town and Country store yesterday in West Union buying a gun and I brought up to the guy behind the counter "I can't believe they arrested the Wagners " and he was like very interested in it.He told me that he had heard that he was a distant relative or something to the Wagners.We talked for a few minutes about it and I said I think they're guilty and he was not as ambitious about their guilt saying "it's hard to believe they would do it" and that he would have to wait to see how things unfold at trial.It was a very interesting conversation,very nice guy and I would expect him to be not convinced of their guilt.

Just a little something I thought I would share.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Easy. A passenger hands a person in the backseat a tissue for a bloody nose. The person in the backseat hands in back for the person in the passenger seat to throw it away.

It gets a little hinky when blood from multiple murder victims are found.

All of that said, there is nothing to say that there wasn't some other trace evidence they were looking for-- carpet samples, mud, pollen, dog hair, human hair, fluff from a silencer, etc.

That would have to be one heck of a bloody nose to soak a tissue and cause blood to drip on the floor on both sides of the front of the vehicle.

 

[pepper 34]

That would have to be one heck of a bloody nose to soak a tissue and cause blood to drip on the floor on both sides of the front of the vehicle.

I think it's also the amount of cumulative evidence that convinces people. If they can connect the silencer evidence to the murders then the blood only weighs heavier no matter what excuses can be made for it's presence. I'm imagining, too, that people like to shoot their weapons and LE has cartridges from CSr's house for comparison, as well. If the Wags liked to play with their guns on their property (ies,) then it's likely they left cartridges behind along with "let's test these silencers out" materials on said properties. The first thing people do when making anything by hand is; they test out what they made to see if it works and how well it works. I hope LE found evidence of that.
JMO

 

[rsd1200]

Could someone please explain what a silencer is and how it’s put together? What does it look like? I’m having a hard time guessing what this “stuffing” might be.

I'm guessing that they used pistol silencers. Here is a link to a legal seller site;

https://www.silencershop.com/silencers.html

This video actually allows you to not hear the shot, and see the shot, through a see-through silencer.

Vid on how to make a homemade silencer

 

[rsd1200]

Could someone please explain what a silencer is and how it’s put together? What does it look like? I’m having a hard time guessing what this “stuffing” might be.

I'm guessing that they used pistol silencers. Here is a link to a legal seller site;

SILENCERS

This video actually allows you to not hear the shot, and see the shot, through a see-through silencer.

Vid on how to make a homemade silencer

 

[rsd1200]

I don’t really understand this vehicle and blood in the vehicle topic. Are y’all surmising the perps jumped in the truck after the murders and had blood all over their clothes? And the blood seeped into the upholstery?

If they owned and used, for example, a 2000 Ford Excursion 7.3 Diesel, that night; That model of Ford has fold-down second-row bench seats, and a removable third-row bench seat. The Excursion, both models that year, I believe, have swing open back doors too, with a lift up back window, making it easy to load items, or, camp in, or just jump in and out of the vehicle... however you want to configure it. Line it with plastic, and later detail it inside and out, and they probably thought they were good to go, if it were the vehicle used that night.

 

[cds0902]

Here is one version:

That video explained a lot, Thanks!! And IMO would have a ton of fingerprints on the tape, if their silencer was the same type.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I was at Town and Country store yesterday in West Union buying a gun and I brought up to the guy behind the counter "I can't believe they arrested the Wagners " and he was like very interested in it.He told me that he had heard that he was a distant relative or something to the Wagners.We talked for a few minutes about it and I said I think they're guilty and he was not as ambitious about their guilt saying "it's hard to believe they would do it" and that he would have to wait to see how things unfold at trial.It was a very interesting conversation,very nice guy and I would expect him to be not convinced of their guilt.

Just a little something I thought I would share.

I am sure many people in the area were shocked as well as law enforcement. Especially Reader I think was disbelieving at first.

The Wagners were the wealthiest, most prominent and influential residents of that area and had been for many years.

But what people should be asking themselves is if the arrests are just a cover up why pick members of the wealthiest and most well known family around that area? Why not go pick up some dirt poor guy with a few B&E's on his record and say it was a robbery gone bad? Or a low level drug dealer and call it a drug deal gone bad?

People find it hard to believe that someone in a family of that much wealth and land would massacre an entire family. Hard to believe someone "with it all" would throw it all away for custody of a child. It's like Aaron Hernandez. He had a 42 million dollar contract and a star football career. When it first broke about him being arrested I was dumbfounded. I could not even comprehend how someone could throw away 42 million dollars and a star career just to kill someone for spilling a drink on them. But it happened.

I can imagine that when Reader first went to the crime scenes he could not imagine nor would he believe the largest tax payers in the county would end up being responsible. The taxes the Wagner's paid probably paid his entire departments salary. But as evidence piled up he had to accept it. You could see it in his face and hear it in his voice in weeks after the murders. It went from shock, to grim reality and finally extreme anger as he realized the motive.

The Wagner's were the Boss Hoggs in that area. The money, the power and the influence. People with enough money to hire the best defense. I am sure that if the evidence had not led them there that LE would not have dared arrest them. If they just wanted a scapegoat there are plenty of poor people with no money to hire the dream team as defense attorneys.

JMO

 

[JusMeJim]

But at

at the local Walmart multiple people are saying there is no way the Wagner’s did it. So see u hear both ways

Of course I'd believe a bunch of Walmart employee's (and I'm not knocking Walmart employee's. My wife has worked there for 20 years) before I believe hundreds of sheriffs, prosecutors, detectives, and the FBI as well as many others I'm sure.

 

[Subiechik21]

The Wagner's were the Boss Hoggs in that area. The money, the power and the influence. People with enough money to hire the best defense. I am sure that if the evidence had not led them there that LE would not have dared arrest them. If they just wanted a scapegoat there are plenty of poor people with no money to hire the dream team as defense attorneys.

JMO

RSBM for space:
Well put Raisin! ITA

 

[RickshawFan]

I'm guessing that they used pistol silencers. Here is a link to a legal seller site;

SILENCERS

This video actually allows you to not hear the shot, and see the shot, through a see-through silencer.

Vid on how to make a homemade silencer

Wow, the Wagners could have left all kinds of evidence lying around in their workshop! They could have dropped one of those rings and it went rolling around on the floor; LE would have been able to match the metal. There could have been shavings (although I'm not sure if these could be matched because of their size). A matching piece of that silver pipe with cuts that fit together exactly.
Anything else?

 

[gizmobtj]

That would have to be one heck of a bloody nose to soak a tissue and cause blood to drip on the floor on both sides of the front of the vehicle.

I don't know much about the science, but I do not think it takes much blood to create splatter and that, a bit like sneezing, what you see does not account for all the secretion that can be detected. I also don't think it would need to be soaked anywhere for law enforcement to detect it

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I don't know much about the science, but I do not think it takes much blood to create splatter and that, a bit like sneezing, what you see does not account for all the secretion that can be detected. I also don't think it would need to be soaked anywhere for law enforcement to detect it

I happen to know quite a bit about science. Splatter is created by force-i.e. beating, a bullet, or even a sneeze. The closer one person is to the force being exerted on another, the more splatter that’s going to hit the nearby person. When it comes to nose bleeds, a person would have to have a significant nose bleed that would land them in the ER to sneeze and spray blood from the front end of an Excursion to the backseat. That’s not a typical nosebleed. Not to mention, human instinct with a nosebleed is to tilt the head back and cover with a tissue. If a person had to sneeze, I just can’t imahine they’d remove a tissue to sneeze blood on the carpet below them, let alone the carpet in the front compartment of the car that’s also below them and also not in the area of the backseat. MOO.

 

[pepper 34]

Wow, the Wagners could have left all kinds of evidence lying around in their workshop! They could have dropped one of those rings and it went rolling around on the floor; LE would have been able to match the metal. There could have been shavings (although I'm not sure if these could be matched because of their size). A matching piece of that silver pipe with cuts that fit together exactly.
Anything else?

PVC pipe with matching tool marks. Rolls of tape with matching ends where it's torn from the roll. I'm sure they can match factory run batches of tapes, too. Tape on silencers from same factory run batch as a roll found somewhere on the property. Matching the "part" of the silencer left behind at one of the murder scenes as a perfect fit to the silencer recently found by LE. Any blood still remaining on the silencer recently found by LE being a match to any of the victims... or a mixture of victims blood. Matching whatever material they used to pack the silencer with the same material if any was found on the property.
And, as you mention, shavings can probably be chemically analyzed and could possibly be matched to the part made for the silencer recently found by LE. No doubt LE can name many more things and that might be why Gov. DeWine seemed so enthusiastic about getting a hold of the silencer and called it the piece of evidence needed to make arrests.

 

[Normrock]

Wow, the Wagners could have left all kinds of evidence lying around in their workshop! They could have dropped one of those rings and it went rolling around on the floor; LE would have been able to match the metal. There could have been shavings (although I'm not sure if these could be matched because of their size). A matching piece of that silver pipe with cuts that fit together exactly.
Anything else?

In several articles LE say they found equipment Wagner's used to make silencers. Im guessing tool marks on silencer matches up to their equipment. I wonder if Wagner's owned a small lathe, since LE say equipment instead of tools. Clamps, wrenches, pliers all leave a distinctive mark, especially if a little older.
JMO

Toolmarks | Encyclopedia.com

 

[LadyL]

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[Dudly]

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[rsd1200]

Thank you Myland, bbm, as I stated before, "Why are you asking questions when you already know the answers?" Do you have a link? And what DO YOU THINK it means or implies?
All the "what ifs," while somewhat entertaining fodder (for some I suppose), will wear on the patience of a jury. I think choosing a nursing home outside of the county, is no more significant than choosing a dentist or a vet in another county. But again, I think you already know the answer.

I get the feeling that MyLand is just playing Devil's Advocate. I think this is why the case probably should be tried out of county. Such a small county population, in a large county area, there's a good chance that in their respective communities, people may know the R, G, or W families. The people in the community have probably had interactions with the families, and are having a hard time wrapping their mind around the fact that one of the wealthiest, oldest, families in the area, are likely the ones who wiped out eight of their own grandchild's maternal family. A feud, of sorts, in 2018, over the control of a child. That's insane! You have to hate someone a whole lot, to be able to put a gun barrel to their head, and pull the trigger. I have a hard time thinking of CR2. I just don't see how...

 

[rsd1200]

Easy. A passenger hands a person in the backseat a tissue for a bloody nose. The person in the backseat hands in back for the person in the passenger seat to throw it away.

It gets a little hinky when blood from multiple murder victims are found.

All of that said, there is nothing to say that there wasn't some other trace evidence they were looking for-- carpet samples, mud, pollen, dog hair, human hair, fluff from a silencer, etc.

A nosebleed can actually gush blood, until you can get it staunched. J.s. Several people having them at the same time though would be highly unlikely. To pick up any blood traces, they may have used Luminol and a UV light on the suv, and it showed the blood traces, they clip the carpet pieces, and send them off to see if a match can be made. I think the woman said they clipped carpet didn't she?

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

I was at Town and Country store yesterday in West Union buying a gun and I brought up to the guy behind the counter "I can't believe they arrested the Wagners " and he was like very interested in it.He told me that he had heard that he was a distant relative or something to the Wagners.We talked for a few minutes about it and I said I think they're guilty and he was not as ambitious about their guilt saying "it's hard to believe they would do it" and that he would have to wait to see how things unfold at trial.It was a very interesting conversation,very nice guy and I would expect him to be not convinced of their guilt.

Just a little something I thought I would share.

Thanks for this. BBM, it's hard to believe any sane person would do something like this, right? I wonder if it's any easier to believe the PROOF that two grannies doctored documents in a child custody case, either. The alleged reason for the slaughter.
I give it about a year and just maybe one member of the family will find a conscience and give the rest of the why and how.