Found Alive OH - Rainn Peterson, 2, North Bloomfield, 2 Oct 2015 - #2

Rayemonde · Oct 19, 2015

ILOKAL said:
Why would the sheriff make excuses for a non-family member having failed a polygraph?

Did he make excuses? I didn't see that.

ILOKAL · Oct 19, 2015

Rayemonde said:
Did he make excuses? I didn't see that.

The sheriff sure sounds like he's making excuses in this article, IMO

http://www.wfmj.com/story/30235608/...as-investigation-into-disappearance-continues

Also, I came across another article that said polygraphs were given to the family. It didn't say anything about them having been given to non-family.

ILOKAL · Oct 19, 2015

Rayemonde said:
http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/sto...on-recovering-at-home-investigation-continues

Looks like LE are examining phones of non family members as well as family members, so they are obviously investigating non family members as well as family members. Coupled with their statement that there were no concerns raised by family members' polygraph results, I'm guessing it was a non family member who failed their polygraph.

The sheriff said family members have been polygraphed. He hasn't said non-family members have.

Tillicum · Oct 19, 2015

The Sheriff says detectives have interviewed the grandparents and said that they have been very cooperative.

Polygraph experts from the FBI and the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation were on the scene administering tests to relatives and others.

http://www.wfmj.com/story/30176129/missing-trumbull-county-child-was-in-custody-of-great-grandmother

ILOKAL · Oct 19, 2015

Tillicum said:
The Sheriff says detectives have interviewed the grandparents and said that they have been very cooperative.

Polygraph experts from the FBI and the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation were on the scene administering tests to relatives and others.

http://www.wfmj.com/story/30176129/missing-trumbull-county-child-was-in-custody-of-great-grandmother

Thank you for that link. The article I was referring to . . . .

http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/2015/100...baby-Rainn-found-sleeping-in-Ohio-field-video

It doesn't say they were also administered to others.

Mollyandme · Oct 19, 2015

ILOKAL said:
That might be a reason for a failed or inconclusive test but I believe those types of things are already worked out of the polygraph because of that type of guilt. Her comments are just so strange, IMO, and I can't understand why she would have said the things she said. Most of what she said doesn't even make sense as far as I'm concerned and that bothers me :-(

IMO, i don't find her comments strange at all for numerous reasons that other posters have already addressed. But I respect your opinion and concern over them. How do they work that type of guilt out of a polygraph and distinguish it from the type of guilt one would have if they knew they were responsible? Yes they can be used as an investigative tool but are inadmissable in court for a reason.

Rayemonde · Oct 19, 2015

ILOKAL said:
The sheriff sure sounds like he's making excuses in this article, IMO

http://www.wfmj.com/story/30235608/...as-investigation-into-disappearance-continues

Also, I came across another article that said polygraphs were given to the family. It didn't say anything about them having been given to non-family.

Oh yes, I see. You're right, it sounds like one polygraph was inconclusive and LE don't think it means much.

ILOKAL · Oct 20, 2015

Rayemonde said:
Oh yes, I see. You're right, it sounds like one polygraph was inconclusive and LE don't think it means much.

Here's what the sheriff said (in part) so I don't know exactly what he means. Was it inconclusive or was it a fail? He said it's not a pass, yet in HIS opinion is wasn't "really" a fail? I mean if the sheriff thinks Dora Mae is like Aunt Bea, he might dismiss some things if it's her polygraph he is referring to.

" . . . . You could say one didn't pass, but really they didn't fail . . . . "

Tillicum · Oct 20, 2015

This is old but I missed it if it was posted. http://fox8.com/2015/10/12/one-week-after-vanishing-2-year-old-rainn-peterson-is-recovering-at-home/

Trumbull County Sheriff Tom Altiere said his detectives are still trying to figure out how the toddler got out of the house.

Something her great-grandmother would also like to find out.

"She couldn't open the door, she tried," Dora Mae said.

ILOKAL · Oct 20, 2015

Tillicum said:
This is old but I missed it if it was posted. http://fox8.com/2015/10/12/one-week-after-vanishing-2-year-old-rainn-peterson-is-recovering-at-home/

Trumbull County Sheriff Tom Altiere said his detectives are still trying to figure out how the toddler got out of the house.

Something her great-grandmother would also like to find out.

"She couldn't open the door, she tried," Dora Mae said.

IF it's a fact Rainn couldn't open the door, then someone must have opened it for her. Maybe one of her brothers? But great-grandpa surely would have noticed the brother/s missing at the time, no? Do we assume since Rainn is said to have been unable to open the door then it must have been locked? Seems as such. So if it was locked, then no one could have opened it from the outside (unless they had a key). I wonder what the circumstances were when Rainn tried and failed to open the door? If a child of mine was attempting to open the door, even if they failed, that would be a clear indication (to ME) that it was time to add chain locks or another safety lock just in case.

Tillicum · Oct 20, 2015

ILOKAL said:
IF it's a fact Rainn couldn't open the door, then someone must have opened it for her. Maybe one of her brothers? But great-grandpa surely would have noticed the brother/s missing at the time, no? Do we assume since Rainn is said to have been unable to open the door then it must have been locked? Seems as such. So if it was locked, then no one could have opened it from the outside (unless they had a key). I wonder what the circumstances were when Rainn tried and failed to open the door? If a child of mine was attempting to open the door, even if they failed, that would be a clear indication (to ME) that it was time to add chain locks or another safety lock just in case.

She didn't say Rainn couldn't unlock the door, she said she couldn't open the door.

AmyPond · Oct 20, 2015

ILOKAL said:
IF it's a fact Rainn couldn't open the door, then someone must have opened it for her. Maybe one of her brothers? But great-grandpa surely would have noticed the brother/s missing at the time, no? Do we assume since Rainn is said to have been unable to open the door then it must have been locked? Seems as such. So if it was locked, then no one could have opened it from the outside (unless they had a key). I wonder what the circumstances were when Rainn tried and failed to open the door? If a child of mine was attempting to open the door, even if they failed, that would be a clear indication (to ME) that it was time to add chain locks or another safety lock just in case.

As soon as my toddler started touching the door knobs in our house....we put safety things on them. Better safe than sorry. I didn't want him opening the door to outside, the door to the basement, the door to the laundry room, etc.

ILOKAL · Oct 20, 2015

Tillicum said:
She didn't say Rainn couldn't unlock the door, she said she couldn't open the door.

That what my post says and also questions IF the door was locked.

ILOKAL · Oct 20, 2015

AmyPond said:
As soon as my toddler started touching the door knobs in our house....we put safety things on them. Better safe than sorry. I didn't want him opening the door to outside, the door to the basement, the door to the laundry room, etc.

Absolutely! We keep our security system on chime, so anytime a door is opened we hear it immediately. Also, when our grandson began showing interest in his independence, we added chain locks up high on every door. We also kept all windows locked!

AmyPond · Oct 20, 2015

Yep...as soon as my son figures out these door knobs, extra locks will be added. Though he's never out of my sight for long (just to turn my back to unload the dishwasher, for example.) You just can never be too careful.

Tillicum · Oct 20, 2015

I watched the video in the article and the part where she said she couldn't open the door was edited out. Could be they just wanted to shorten it but what if Rainn tried to open the door after she came home from the hospital? If investigators suspect she might not have left on her own then they probably wanted to find out if she could open the door.

Either way, the sheriff said it was the only door unlocked and with three kids under five years old, IMO it should've been locked.

ILOKAL · Oct 20, 2015

Tillicum said:
I watched the video in the article and the part where she said she couldn't open the door was edited out. Could be they just wanted to shorten it but what if Rainn tried to open the door after she came home from the hospital? If investigators suspect she might not have left on her own then they probably wanted to find out if she could open the door.

Either way, the sheriff said it was the only door unlocked and with three kids under five years old, IMO it should've been locked.

So, according to the sheriff (who would have gotten this information from Dora Mae and Richard), that was the only door unlocked. I agree that investigators might have conducted a test to see if Rainn could open that door. In any event, yes, it should have been locked. My little grandson just turned two and he can open every door in ANY house as long as they are not locked. He also has no problem turning the deadbolts, but his little fingers can't quite negotiate the little lock inside the doorknobs. Rainn appears to be able to hold her own and looks like a strong little girl. I can't help but wonder what kind of door this is that she (allegedly) couldn't open?

jjenny · Oct 21, 2015

ILOKAL said:
So, according to the sheriff (who would have gotten this information from Dora Mae and Richard), that was the only door unlocked. I agree that investigators might have conducted a test to see if Rainn could open that door. In any event, yes, it should have been locked. My little grandson just turned two and he can open every door in ANY house as long as they are not locked. He also has no problem turning the deadbolts, but his little fingers can't quite negotiate the little lock inside the doorknobs. Rainn appears to be able to hold her own and looks like a strong little girl. I can't help but wonder what kind of door this is that she (allegedly) couldn't open?

With a two year old, even if she didn't open the door while all of them were watching her, doesn't mean she didn't open it when no one was looking and run off.

ILOKAL · Oct 21, 2015

jjenny said:
With a two year old, even if she didn't open the door while all of them were watching her, doesn't mean she didn't open it when no one was looking and run off.

Yep, a definite possibility!

CoverMeCagney · Oct 23, 2015

I kinda feel like we should be leaving this family alone now, there is clearly zero evidence to suggest anything untoward happened and Rainn is alive and well. It feels off to continue picking, and one day she will google her name and read all this. And for that reason, I'm out. May Rainn have a happy, healthy life

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