OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

[flute4peace]

New info from a kind, concerned person at the local paper we dicussed yesterday (in a separate response to my email) is that Phil came in on Monday the 8th with a tiny obit and returned with his son on the 9th to add the details and names. This all occurred before the story came out. I got the impression they know the family and hope for closure for the family's sake.

Now that's interesting.

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[Steelslady]

Ok, so I decided to research the Tennessee River, as I was curious about the depth of it in the middle parts as well as the currents. From the articles I read online, it appears that the deepest parts are on average, 9 feet. I grew up behind a river and I live near several now. Each river has a different current. The one I grew up near was practically stagnant- very slow moving and the only time it got to a rapid pace was during heavy rain storms, tropical winds and when ice was melting and the river overflowed.

The ones I live near now- one has a quicker pace than the one I lived behind, and another river has a much faster current- you can't swim in parts of it because the current is strong in some parts. I'm sure most of you have seen the same with various rivers you live around or have visited.

My question is, how fast is the current in the Tennessee River? I tried to find information on that, but couldn't find any details about the currents, just the average depth of the river.

I'm not sure why this is important to me, and please disregard if it seems like a strange post, but it just has me wondering, if Bobby is truly in that river, just how far has her body flowed, and wouldn't there be something by now that would show up- a piece of a garbage bag, piece of clothing, a shoe- something? Any locals that can chime in on my question?

I know if this happened in the river behind me growing up, unless the river was overflowing from ice melting or a heavy rain, it wouldn't travel too far on it's own.

Maybe I should get off of that "horse with no name". For perhaps I am coming up with meaningless ideas that are irrelevant. *sigh*

 

[justchrissy47]

I truly believe Bobbie didn't die by her own choice or her own hand. People don't put bodies in rivers unless they have something to hide. Just my 2 cents although we don't have pennies in Canada anymore...

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[Doghairrules]

Ok, so I decided to research the Tennessee River, as I was curious about the depth of it in the middle parts as well as the currents. From the articles I read online, it appears that the deepest parts are on average, 9 feet. I grew up behind a river and I live near several now. Each river has a different current. The one I grew up near was practically stagnant- very slow moving and the only time it got to a rapid pace was during heavy rain storms, tropical winds and when ice was melting and the river overflowed.

The ones I live near now- one has a quicker pace than the one I lived behind, and another river has a much faster current- you can't swim in parts of it because the current is strong in some parts. I'm sure most of you have seen the same with various rivers you live around or have visited.

My question is, how fast is the current in the Tennessee River? I tried to find information on that, but couldn't find any details about the currents, just the average depth of the river.

I'm not sure why this is important to me, and please disregard if it seems like a strange post, but it just has me wondering, if Bobby is truly in that river, just how far has her body flowed, and wouldn't there be something by now that would show up- a piece of a garbage bag, piece of clothing, a shoe- something? Any locals that can chime in on my question?

I know if this happened in the river behind me growing up, unless the river was overflowing from ice melting or a heavy rain, it wouldn't travel too far on it's own.

Maybe I should get off of that "horse with no name". For perhaps I am coming up with meaningless ideas that are irrelevant. *sigh*

No, I think this is definitely something to look into. Wish I knew how.

 

[Steelslady]

So if it seems highly improbable that he could have dumped her body there, that begs the question, how is LE convinced (IIRC) that he's telling the truth about this part?

That takes me back to this being a fantasy his mind made up that HE is convinced about - potentially. If he's convinced, and believes he's telling the truth, he will come across as sincere.

I don't know how any of you are so certain either way. I'm leaning one way, but not far that one way. The whole thing is so completely bizarre that he's either a mastermind at manipulation and lying, or there's something going on in his brain, whether dementia or something else.

The only thing I feel certain about is that she died. I lean toward natural death, suicide, or assisted suicide, and her death triggering a worsening in his mental state, creating confusion.

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Hi vmmking- please forgive me for not getting back to you on this, I had a project for work that I had to complete and didn't want to rush through my answer to you.

I said on a post about two or three pages back that I honestly don't know what to think. I want to believe that this man truly did in his head and his heart what he thought that the love of his life of 53 years would want. I don't want to believe that he did anything sinister to her.

I go back and forth with this. I struggle with it because we just don't have enough details from LE to even try to form an honest opinion. The family has remained quiet, except for earlier into the investigation, Bobby's brother said he did not think that PS committed foul play or harmed her at all, that he believed that PS has early onset dementia (this was in the first article in this thread I believe, and I read other articles from that same day stating that same quote). So, I think to myself, if the family is being quiet about it, maybe they really believe he didn't hurt or harm her, that he's simply confused about what happened after she passed away. Maybe all that the care about at this point is finding her body. If their son went to the paper to help with the obituary, then it does sound like PS needs help with writing it- but why? How can he remember details such as their trip, where he dumper her body, the hotel, he bought garbage bags, asked to find a car wash, obviously traveled home by himself without any help, obviously he had to stop for gas, get food, go to the bathroom, but he wasn't able to write out the obituary alone? Someone asked in this thread if it was possible that he had a learning disability, hence why his son might have needed to help him complete the obituary. Speculation of course, but that is another possibility.

To me, this just seems too thought out to be done alone by someone with dementia. I have said before, though, anything is possible in the medical field- we've all seen miracles of some sort, from babies who weren't supposed to live, live long lives, terminal cancer patients suddenly in remission, tumors disappearing without any reasonable explanation, and so on. So, he could be one of the rarest people with dementia that did indeed do all of this by himself and miraculously made it all the way to Graceland and back without a hitch. However, Bobby's brother said he believe that PS had early stages of dementia- not that he has been officially diagnosed with it. Key word- believes. That, too, has not been confirmed as to whether or not PS has dementia.

For all we know, he could have a mental illness instead, and without proper medication, could be causing him to do strange things, such as instead of calling the family or the cops when she died, he got scared and decided to throw her in the river, out of paranoia that no one would believe him that she died on her own, that he didn't do anything to hurt her.

We also do not know that Bobby was sick and at the end of her life with cancer. That is what PS told LE, but the family has not confirmed this, and some of us have seen where one family member stated they had no idea she was sick.

As far as the lie detector test goes- again, he could have panicked, been paranoid that no one would believe she died on her own, and he threw her in the river out of fear. So, that part could still be true, but who knows?

I do agree with you, I think Bobby is dead. As far as I know, not one person has come forward between Ohio, Kentucky, or Tennessee to say that they saw her alive. PS said she died on Jan. 6th, which is the date of death written in the obituary. They left on Jan 4th. early morning and according to PS, they drove 285 miles to Sparta, Kentucky and stayed the night at a hotel.

Here's where it gets tricky- the left the next day to drive the remaining 440 miles to Graceland. PS says they almost made it, but when he drove into the Days Inn parking lot, allegedly, Bobby had a medical emergency, to which conveniently, an ambulance was across the street, and he allegedly flagged them down, to which PS claims they took her away, and of course, he had no clue what happened to her from then. The tricky part? That was January 5th, the next day- no one caught that, but I sure did! He claimed that she died on the 6th not only in his interview with LE, but it's listed as that date in the obituary. In the article below, is where this information is coming from:

https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/what-happened-to-roberta-bobby-snyder-hartville-womans-body-missing-after-husband-said-she-died-during-their-trip-to-elvis-graceland

So, we have a discrepancy on her date of death, do we not?

So, in conclusion, right now, if I was a betting woman, I would look for a mental illness and not dementia as a cause for his confusion. We honestly have no confirmed diagnosis of PS with dementia, or RS with cancer. We know that PS was recently hospitalized overnight, but we don't know why- it could be that he has a respiratory issue, flu, pneumonia, or a mental breakdown or some other ailment not related to his brain, but for the time being, that too is just speculation and not factual.

Honestly, I truly do hope that Bobby died on her own time and that he is innocent of any wrong doing, other than dumping her in the river.instead of doing the right thing and at least calling a family member or the cops for assistance. I don't want to believe that he did anything to hurt her. So for now, the horse is still dragging me all over the place on a fast merry go round, and I honestly don't know what more can be said on my end as far as my thoughts. I could be way off base on everything.

 

[PetDetective]

Ok, so I decided to research the Tennessee River, as I was curious about the depth of it in the middle parts as well as the currents. From the articles I read online, it appears that the deepest parts are on average, 9 feet. I grew up behind a river and I live near several now. Each river has a different current. The one I grew up near was practically stagnant- very slow moving and the only time it got to a rapid pace was during heavy rain storms, tropical winds and when ice was melting and the river overflowed.

The ones I live near now- one has a quicker pace than the one I lived behind, and another river has a much faster current- you can't swim in parts of it because the current is strong in some parts. I'm sure most of you have seen the same with various rivers you live around or have visited.

My question is, how fast is the current in the Tennessee River? I tried to find information on that, but couldn't find any details about the currents, just the average depth of the river.

I'm not sure why this is important to me, and please disregard if it seems like a strange post, but it just has me wondering, if Bobby is truly in that river, just how far has her body flowed, and wouldn't there be something by now that would show up- a piece of a garbage bag, piece of clothing, a shoe- something? Any locals that can chime in on my question?

I know if this happened in the river behind me growing up, unless the river was overflowing from ice melting or a heavy rain, it wouldn't travel too far on it's own.

Maybe I should get off of that "horse with no name". For perhaps I am coming up with meaningless ideas that are irrelevant. *sigh*

I’ll have to take a good look at this, but maybe you can do that along with me. 2 minds are always better than 1

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/tn/nwis/current/?type=flow


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[PetDetective]

Do we know exactly where he claims he threw her in?
I used Cypress Creek since it is in Benton County.

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[Steelslady]

Wow, PetDetective, that is awesome!

Now to find out how the current was on Jan 6th. I'll try to play around with it in a couple of minutes. Thanks for finding this, this is awesome!

 

[jnblsm]

I love this forum!!

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[watergirl62]

Ok, so I decided to research the Tennessee River, as I was curious about the depth of it in the middle parts as well as the currents. From the articles I read online, it appears that the deepest parts are on average, 9 feet. I grew up behind a river and I live near several now. Each river has a different current. The one I grew up near was practically stagnant- very slow moving and the only time it got to a rapid pace was during heavy rain storms, tropical winds and when ice was melting and the river overflowed.

The ones I live near now- one has a quicker pace than the one I lived behind, and another river has a much faster current- you can't swim in parts of it because the current is strong in some parts. I'm sure most of you have seen the same with various rivers you live around or have visited.

My question is, how fast is the current in the Tennessee River? I tried to find information on that, but couldn't find any details about the currents, just the average depth of the river.

I'm not sure why this is important to me, and please disregard if it seems like a strange post, but it just has me wondering, if Bobby is truly in that river, just how far has her body flowed, and wouldn't there be something by now that would show up- a piece of a garbage bag, piece of clothing, a shoe- something? Any locals that can chime in on my question?

I know if this happened in the river behind me growing up, unless the river was overflowing from ice melting or a heavy rain, it wouldn't travel too far on it's own.

Maybe I should get off of that "horse with no name". For perhaps I am coming up with meaningless ideas that are irrelevant. *sigh*

Not irrelevant at all. I had briefly looked this morning for discharge (flow) data from USGS. However, the TVA operates the river system to sustain environmental flows, navigation and recreational flows between June 1 through Labor Day.

Since you brought it up ☺ I found a map of TVA reservoirs to make sense of operations and realized that the Tennessee River flows to the north from I-40. Derp and facepalm.

https://www.tva.com/Environment/Lake-Levels/How-TVA-Manages-Water-Levels

Not an easy absorb at first glance, but it looks like they maintain 13K-14K cfs except during summer when they ramp up to 25K cfs. They only gage the flow on unregulated streams (those with no dams). Otherwise they only publish reservoir stage (depth) data.

Also, water velocity changes with depth. Think of the side of a wine glass as a river velocity profile - fastest at the surface, slowest at the bottom. Average at 60 % of depth where it is measured when you do a wading measurement. I'll stop now.

 

[Steelslady]

I’ll have to take a good look at this, but maybe you can do that along with me. 2 minds are always better than 1

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/tn/nwis/current/?type=flow


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I can't seem to go back to Jan 6th. I'll try again tomorrow when my mind is more fresh.

 

[Steelslady]

Thank you, watergirl62. I admit, I'm a bit green with this depth/flow business. So going by what you and PetDetective posted, it appears that it is constantly moving and not slow. Seeing that PS didn't tell LE right away that he dumped her into the river til several days later, she could have been miles from that bridge when they started the search for her. I wonder how deep that area by the bridge. Strange that no one on the boats (that a local mentioned earlier in this thread) around that area saw anything when it first happened.

 

[watergirl62]

Do we know exactly where he claims he threw her in?
I used Cypress Creek since it is in Benton County.

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You so rock! Any USGS stations on the Tennessee River will redirect to TVA. You can get stage height (depth) but no flow data (except on unregulated tributaries). I can post the nearest upstream and downstream stations tomorrow if y'all don't have it done by then. Also, NWIS Mapper is a great tool.

 

[PetDetective]

I can't seem to go back to Jan 6th. I'll try again tomorrow when my mind is more fresh.

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[watergirl62]

I can't seem to go back to Jan 6th. I'll try again tomorrow when my mind is more fresh.

I hit that same wall. The TVA data server is funky.

 

[PetDetective]

Here’s a chart from the 6th until the 31st

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[watergirl62]

Here’s a chart from the 6th until the 31st

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Can you find the data for the closest Tennessee River gages above and below I-40?

 

[PetDetective]

Ok, I believe this one is below I40

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[PetDetective]

Can you find the data for the closest Tennessee River gages above and below I-40?

I’m in CA, no clue what county or city I need to look at lol. If you can tell me a city/county directly above the I40/the river, I’ll find the info.



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[curiosityscat]

(✂️SNIP-SNIP)...I said on a post about two or three pages back that I honestly don't know what to think. I want to believe that this man truly did in his head and his heart what he thought that the love of his life of 53 years would want. I don't want to believe that he did anything sinister to her. (✂️SNIP-SNIP)...,but he wasn't able to write out the obituary alone? Someone asked in this thread if it was possible that he had a learning disability, hence why his son might have needed to help him complete the obituary.(✂️SNIP-SNIP..please see original post for full text)..
To me, this just seems too thought out to be done alone by someone with dementia. I have said before, though, anything is possible in the medical field- (✂️SNIP-SNIP)....when she died, he got scared and decided to throw her in the river, out of paranoia that no one would believe him that she died on her own, that he didn't do anything to hurt her.

We also do not know that Bobby was sick and at the end of her life with cancer. (✂️SNIP-SNIP)...As far as the lie detector test goes- again, he could have panicked, been paranoid that no one would believe she died on her own, and he threw her in the river out of fear. So, that part could still be true, but who knows?

I do agree with you, I think Bobby is dead. As far as I know, not one person has come forward between Ohio, Kentucky, or Tennessee to say that they saw her alive. (✂️SNIP-SNIP)..,The tricky part? That was January 5th, the next day- no one caught that, but I sure did! He claimed that she died on the 6th not only in his interview with LE, but it's listed as that date in the obituary. In the article below, is where this information is coming from:

https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/what-happened-to-roberta-bobby-snyder-hartville-womans-body-missing-after-husband-said-she-died-during-their-trip-to-elvis-graceland

So, we have a discrepancy on her date of death, do we not? (✂️SNIP-SNIP)
So, in conclusion, right now, if I was a betting woman, I would look for a mental illness and not dementia as a cause for his confusion. (✂️SNIP-SNIP)..Honestly, I truly do hope that Bobby died on her own time and that he is innocent of any wrong doing, other than dumping her in the river.instead of doing the right thing and at least calling a family member or the cops for assistance. I don't want to believe that he did anything to hurt her. (✂️SNIP-SNIP).

Wowser..Hate/Love seeing someone else,who writes as lengthy as myself, and does such a through job on interesting points..*smiles*[emoji6]..only because they often raise such great discussion points (at least in my eyes/mind)..[emoji6][emoji1360]...so here goes from my view..I had not commented as yet, I do not believe? so many forums so little time, because, like you, it’s been difficult for me to draw any personal conclusion from what we know so far..

BOBBY STATUS:
I do not as a majority believe Bobby will be found safe; however, I truly hope that she still is!..

LOCATION: (Referenced mostly by other posters)
When it comes to location, depending on how a river flows (currents, back inlet tides, etc), and bodies usually only take a few weeks to resurface due to gas accumulation/escape & bloat..however, if somehow it was tied in a way that allowed gas to escape (exlastic bag w/a hole),and the body was either in parts or had holes that allowed gas to escape (ex:into a plastic bag w/a hole that allowed gas to escape the bag), or even placed inside of a container with a sufficient hole for gases to escape) and said bag or whatever, was hung up on an underwater object, a simple tree limb, or much less an entire bunch of underwater branches, or being held under a rock due to a water vortex/by the currents..then that body may not ever surface...smaller fish, crustaceans would likely begin breakdown what they could get to until decomp to only bone & if the hole or holes in plastic were not large enough to let the the bones that normally resurface (feet/wrists/heads any body joint connection that eventually deteriorates & separates frm the weight of the whole) could remain inside/there for mths or yrs or get scattered by underwater wildlife, time, currents, whatever..However, likelihood someone did a through enough job of it is low..so hopefully, if she is deceased and in the river, hopefully, she will resurface........
I do believe it is possible PS placed her in the river ...but, think it far more likely he just placed her in the woods somewhere along his route..(I just dont see PS putting in a lot of sweat or effort in a body disposal)..but again, I think it possible/likely that in his mentally confusion he firmly believes he put her in the water..🤷🏻

A Point mentioned above, but I snipped out w/reference PS & Bobby & EMT’s..I do not believe that any EMT pronounced Bobby as deceased for PS..& if they had, I doubt the EMT’s would have failed to have mention such an odd run-in within their job/call log books (Which LE has asked those local ambulance service providers about & searched such an event or even mention within their company logs this was mentioned in one of the previous MSM articles not sure which)..even if PS spontaneously just walked up to some EMTs’ for help..versus their having been dispatched to a site call out from their HQ...(imho = None of it Happened)..,I think in his mental confusion that was a mental coping mechanism creation on PS’s part in the best of light (never happened) or on the side of worst, then a flat out intentional c.y.a.attempt at a lie..

MENTAL STATUS:
I know that w/dementia, many older people can suffer what is termed, “sundowners syndrome”, which is where from 1st waking and until early evening (around 5-6pm), they seem perfectly fine & capable..but from the point of ‘Sun Down’ often 5-6pm until sleeping, they can become, from a range of slightly confused to showing full blown dementia and no clue where they are, who they are, why there are where they are, what they were doing/saying/who they knew earlier in the day..I mean shockingly different mental capability level..Btw, “Sun Downer’s syndrome, & the onset of Alzheimers or other mental illness, but mostly this “Sun downer’s syndrome is often responsible for elderly people wandering off from nursing home facilities..Sundowner’s is difficult to “catch”, because of the marked difference in mental capability from AM to PM and Ppl need to spend time around someone else to pick up the nuances in their behavior from one to the next in order to catch it, and often, Ppl closest to the Patient will ‘write it off’ as ‘they are just tired’..(the Pt often in denial themselves, and can become quite adept at fighting the battle to mask their symptoms & severity in their struggle to remain independent and/or mentally lucid)...Also, combinations of meds can have this same dementia state of confusion/disorientation effect on Ppl, so someone may not ‘test’ for dementia, until they take their meds and the meds kick in, or the dementia could last hours/days/weeks until the meds work out of their system..that’s another reason dementia is so tricky to nail down..

MY POINT:
It is quite possible that PS didn’t have a clue from one part of the day to the next, but that he was also quite capable & logical as the next person from A.M. up to 5-6pm...

If so, P.S. needing Son’s help writing an Obit,makes total sense..But, even if PS’s dementia wasn’t sundown related, but just mild to moderate in level, he could quite easily drift though days, weeks, mths & years, w/little to no problems (often people will have routines or do things to ‘remind’ themselves in order to ‘mask’ and hide their symptoms of dementia or Alzheimers as a coping mechanism), but when it comes being on the spot to nailing down exact dates, someone else’s past history they then fail miserably..*shrugs* they aren’t ‘facts’ that are often brought up & therefore need a crutch to hide not knowing..*shrugs* (jmho.. but, there is scientific basis; hence why mentally confused Ppl when questioned by medical staff are asked the standard response test questions: Do you know where you are? Do you know why you are here? What is the current year? Who is the current elected president? Do you know *points at someone in the room*.. Who this person is? What is their name?, etc... as a gauge of whether one can distinguish between current & past, and how is their short term versus long term memory capacity..*shrugs* (Ppl crutch notes/lists/reminders but in a Hospital setting rarely have access to them to help them answer & continue to mask the severity of their confusion)..

PERSONAL CONCLUSIONS:
As for PS & Bobby, the above immediately came to my mind as it literally could explain all of his actions (incl his date confusions regardless of what time/whenever he was asked for specific details).....

....AND YET...
I find it difficult to believe that someone who had been together so long, would just ‘dispose’ of the other person so callously..instead of getting it into their head..I have to get home, I have to get “us” home..as bizarre as it sounds..I could far more easily have accepted his version if PS had put her body in his car or car’s trunk and was found driving around w/her body days or even weeks later, than I can the theory that he simply was disposed of her like trash, even if he couldn’t recall “who” she was at the time..*shrugs*..which personally, leads me in the direction of the more sinister and nefarious motivations..

If she were sick, if he had mild, moderate or even severe Sundowner’s..or Alzheimers setting in...he may have reached care burn out..and made plans to remedy her suffering, and his inability to keep up..there are cases of such with the elderly/terminal/disabled and caregivers (even typically loving & caring ones)..

Hoping Bobby is somewhere peaceful, quiet, beautiful, and that if deceased, she was laid to rest w/o having a traumatic experience..

⬆️ NOTE: All of the above are only ever my own views, thoughts, theories, opinions, presumptions and/or possible Big Fish Tales; unless I otherwise note with a website URL and/or I indicate by referencing a specific origin source name of information..Thanks!
Note: when referencing research Rpts/statistics/etc.. while I may not have the related link on-hand as I read a wide variety of journals & industries, anyone is free to search & verify on their own to find that same material. If a bone of contention, then I will likely attempt to re-locate it; however, fyi, not simply for the too lazy to look..[emoji6]
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