OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

  • #201
This just gets curiouser and curiouser.

I don't know why, but I just feel her body is closer to home than Graceland. I feel like that trip was like an alibi for him. They've searched the river area several times and haven't found anything.

I wonder if they have done any DNA testing in his truck- I'm sure they must have by now. If we believe his story, he left her body in the back of the truck overnight before he dumped her into the river. I'd like to know when he supposedly did this- after he checked out of the hotel at 3:30 a,m? How could anyone do such a thing without much emotion- how could you just drive back after dumping your spouse in a river like you simply threw a bag of trash? He drove for hours to get back home. He had to make stops to get gas, food, bathroom break- he did all this after dumping his wife of all those years in a river? Who does that?
 
  • #202
http://people.com/crime/man-allegedly-admits-dumping-wife-body-graceland/

In this article it says the husband told the family a variety of stories as to what happened to Bobby. I tried to copy and paste a few lines from the article but I don't know how on this laptop- I'm lucky I was able to get the link posted.

They mentioned that he could be charged with desecrating a corpse which is a misdemeanor and may face other charges after the autopsy, if they find the body of course.
 
  • #203
http://people.com/crime/man-allegedly-admits-dumping-wife-body-graceland/

In this article it says the husband told the family a variety of stories as to what happened to Bobby. I tried to copy and paste a few lines from the article but I don't know how on this laptop- I'm lucky I was able to get the link posted.

They mentioned that he could be charged with desecrating a corpse which is a misdemeanor and may face other charges after the autopsy, if they find the body of course.

Surely they will need a corpse to do that ? Very odd story that got me out of my usual lurk ;)
 
  • #204
I wonder why the kids aren't saying anything.

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So it was the brother-in-law that mentioned Snider might have dementia- it isn't a confirmed diagnosis at this point. That's a huge difference in this case because so far, it is not proven he has dementia. What puzzles me is that his own children haven't come forward to back up the uncle's claim. If you thought or knew this to be true, wouldn't you at least back up the uncle that made this claim? I find their silence all telling.


( RSBM )

Wonder if they're not talking because they've been advised not to by an attorney?

I'm thinking the family has likely retained an attorney for Philip, whether or not he has a proven dementia diagnosis.

I wouldn't be surprised then if an attorney has advised all family members to make no public statements now since this is an ongoing investigation of a missing person.

Yet, on the other hand, I've got to wonder if an attorney would stand by and allow Philip to be making all these conflicting statements to LE?

Such a strange case...



JMO
 
  • #205
We routinely leave young, fit monsters walk around free for weeks and months while LE gathers evidence, so I am not in such a hurry to say lock him up. Can you imagine having done that if he is innocent and has dementia? It would be horrible.

The facts are that right now they only have evidence of improper disposal of a corpse, or something along those lines. They have her own brother saying he has dementia. He's staying with family, which indicates some support. None of the family has come forward to voice an opinion that there was foul play, including her own siblings.

I'm not saying he's innocent for certain, but I see no reason they should lock a possible dementia patient in prison at this point based on this evidence. There's time. I don't see him as a danger to the public.

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Then he needs to be in a hospital for treatment of dementia. How do any of us know that he won't harm anyone else in his family. especially where his story keeps changing?

Granted we don't know if he hurt her and she died as a result of it, because so far there is no body. But we can't discount that he was the last to see her alive, which he admits this himself, and police are getting mixed answers. We do not know for a fact that he is not a danger to others. If he did murder her, there's no guarantee he wouldn't harm anyone else.
 
  • #206
Can someone explain to me the process LE has to go through to get confirmation of diagnosis from a doctor regarding a living patient? I know about HIPAA. But I don't know how they get around that for living patients. I'm wondering if they've been able to confirm yet.

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https://www.dementiacarecentral.com/caregiverinfo/managing/legal/

I'm not an attorney, but I do know that no one can reveal a dementia diagnosis ( or any health-related issues) of another, without that person's, ( or designated person's ) permission.

This link explains much of the legal channels and documentation necessary for the protection of those with dementia.

Guardianship; Durable Power of Attorney; Power of Attorney for Healthcare, or Designation of Healthcare Surrogate, etc.

Not sure though how LE investigations would factor into any of this. Not much help there.

Maybe someone else knows more...


JMO
 
  • #207
Then he needs to be in a hospital for treatment of dementia. How do any of us know that he won't harm anyone else in his family. especially where his story keeps changing?

Granted we don't know if he hurt her and she died as a result of it, because so far there is no body. But we can't discount that he was the last to see her alive, which he admits this himself, and police are getting mixed answers. We do not know for a fact that he is not a danger to others. If he did murder her, there's no guarantee he wouldn't harm anyone else.
I don't think a hospital is going to admit him for suspected dementia, and it's not easy to just lock up a dementia patient if there is suspected violence. It's not easy to find places for dementia patients at all. A couple of my friends went through hell trying to find immediate inpatient care for their fathers, and the wait list was terrible. Once they found out one of them was being violent, it became even more difficult. It was quite the frustrating and tearful journey for that friend. She was off work for at least a week doing nothing but trying to find placement for him. It was a full time job to find a place, and it took weeks.

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  • #208
Even if all the aspects of his story were true,the one thing that I find not to be possible is the physical act of a 70 y/o old man lifting a 180lb.? (guessing by the picture) dead weight body up and pushing over a railing.
The investigators should have him re enact how he was physically able to do this.
 
  • #209
Even if all the aspects of his story were true,the one thing that I find not to be possible is the physical act of a 70 y/o old man lifting a 180lb.? (guessing by the picture) dead weight body up and pushing over a railing.
The investigators should have him re enact how he was physically able to do this.
This does make me wonder if this was a dementia fantasy concocted by his misfiring brain.

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  • #210
Even if all the aspects of his story were true,the one thing that I find not to be possible is the physical act of a 70 y/o old man lifting a 180lb.? (guessing by the picture) dead weight body up and pushing over a railing.
The investigators should have him re enact how he was physically able to do this.

Here's a Google streetview of the I-40 bridge over the Tennessee River:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.867...4!1sooSOx1bLtO_ECUIN0sHhfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

The guardrail does not look very high. JMO.

One issue I have is that this is a major HWY and there would have been traffic all times of day. But perhaps that is why he left the Memphis hotel very early in the morning? :thinking: :gaah::scared:
 
  • #211
Even if all the aspects of his story were true,the one thing that I find not to be possible is the physical act of a 70 y/o old man lifting a 180lb.? (guessing by the picture) dead weight body up and pushing over a railing.
The investigators should have him re enact how he was physically able to do this.
I was just fixing to comment on how could he lift her and saw yours. Great minds think alike! Lol

I am back at this is a confused older man and not a murderer. I could be wrong. Also, him awake and checking out at 330 a.m. is not surprising. As my daddy aged he awoke between 3 and 4 in the morning and then complained because the paper wasn't there.
 
  • #212
I don't think a hospital is going to admit him for suspected dementia, and it's not easy to just lock up a dementia patient if there is suspected violence. It's not easy to find places for dementia patients at all. A couple of my friends went through hell trying to find immediate inpatient care for their fathers, and the wait list was terrible. Once they found out one of them was being violent, it became even more difficult. It was quite the frustrating and tearful journey for that friend. She was off work for at least a week doing nothing but trying to find placement for him. It was a full time job to find a place, and it took weeks.

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I hear you about the waiting lists and the hardships that families go through to place their loved ones with dementia. We had to wait three months for my grandmother to be placed, and luckily she wasn't violent or feisty- and that was back in the 70's!. I know of others that have gone through some very rough times while trying to take care of them at home. You can't leave them alone for a minute unfortunately. As I said before, anyone that has gone through this as a caretaker with a loved one or one who works in the profession of dealing with patients with dementia has very sad, traumatizing, scary, and at times, some comical stories, like the one where my grandmother thought she was ballroom dancing with some non-existent man. She was laughing and so happy, in her own world, twirling around- my grandmother never danced a day in her life. She got injured as a young child and had a hole in her leg that left her lame for the rest of her life. But God love her, she was so happy dancing away in her mind. Sadly, not all families have such fun stories to tell, like my cousin with her father. I had two uncles that had it as well as my sibling, I've worked with brain injured clients in the past, to which a few had dementia, and of course, took care of two members of my own family with it.

In this case, though- where Bobby's husband is the last person to see her alive, and they can't find her body anywhere, with him telling a different story to each family member- I feel he needs a medical check up. They may never find her body- who knows where she is? For all we know, he could have buried her himself with the earth, or worse....I just feel he needs to be checked out medically, and if it is proven he has dementia or any other brain trauma/injury, it needs to be addressed. His BIL said he might have dementia- not that he actually had it. Big difference. He also could have a brain tumor which may be the cause of him forgetting information.

Just my two cents, but as one who has worked with brain injured clients and dementia in the past, I really feel a check up is a must at this point- not just for his loved ones and other's safety, but his own as well.
 
  • #213
I hear you about the waiting lists and the hardships that families go through to place their loved ones with dementia. We had to wait three months for my grandmother to be placed, and luckily she wasn't violent or feisty- and that was back in the 70's!. I know of others that have gone through some very rough times while trying to take care of them at home. You can't leave them alone for a minute unfortunately. As I said before, anyone that has gone through this as a caretaker with a loved one or one who works in the profession of dealing with patients with dementia has very sad, traumatizing, scary, and at times, some comical stories, like the one where my grandmother thought she was ballroom dancing with some non-existent man. She was laughing and so happy, in her own world, twirling around- my grandmother never danced a day in her life. She got injured as a young child and had a hole in her leg that left her lame for the rest of her life. But God love her, she was so happy dancing away in her mind. Sadly, not all families have such fun stories to tell, like my cousin with her father. I had two uncles that had it as well as my sibling, I've worked with brain injured clients in the past, to which a few had dementia, and of course, took care of two members of my own family with it.

In this case, though- where Bobby's husband is the last person to see her alive, and they can't find her body anywhere, with him telling a different story to each family member- I feel he needs a medical check up. They may never find her body- who knows where she is? For all we know, he could have buried her himself with the earth, or worse....I just feel he needs to be checked out medically, and if it is proven he has dementia or any other brain trauma/injury, it needs to be addressed. His BIL said he might have dementia- not that he actually had it. Big difference. He also could have a brain tumor which may be the cause of him forgetting information.

Just my two cents, but as one who has worked with brain injured clients and dementia in the past, I really feel a check up is a must at this point- not just for his loved ones and other's safety, but his own as well.
I very much agree that he needs medical tests and probably treatment.

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  • #214
Then he needs to be in a hospital for treatment of dementia. How do any of us know that he won't harm anyone else in his family. especially where his story keeps changing?

Granted we don't know if he hurt her and she died as a result of it, because so far there is no body. But we can't discount that he was the last to see her alive, which he admits this himself, and police are getting mixed answers. We do not know for a fact that he is not a danger to others. If he did murder her, there's no guarantee he wouldn't harm anyone else.
After 53 years of marriage, I doubt imo, that he would just hurt her and get rid of the body.
Orrrr, maybe he thinks he can get away with it because it doesn't make sense.
What if? He has dementia and has been told that he killed her accidentally, that it wasn't his fault, whatever, imo. ?
I always like to say that we don't know what we don't know.

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  • #216
The suspect is no longer cooperating with authorities.

Search of the river on hold due to weather.

http://fox8.com/2018/01/23/search-for-missing-hartville-woman-in-tennessee-put-on-hold/amp/

A lie, you can never remember, the truth, you can always tell. Words a dear friend's mother used to say about guilty people and liars.

The part about him not cooperating with the police is further down under a couple of ads, just so folks know that that statement is definitely in the article. Had I not scrolled down, I would have missed it.

I wonder what LE's next move will be, and I wonder if he failed the lie detector test which may have caused him to clam up or possibly hire a lawyer.
 
  • #217
Even if all the aspects of his story were true,the one thing that I find not to be possible is the physical act of a 70 y/o old man lifting a 180lb.? (guessing by the picture) dead weight body up and pushing over a railing.
The investigators should have him re enact how he was physically able to do this.

The pictures of Bobby might have been from before she had cancer. As someone pointed out above, cancer (and cancer treatment) makes you shed pounds, so she might have been considerably lighter. Nevertheless I agree with you. Even if she was only 100 pounds at the time of her death that's still very heavy to lift up over a bridge railing, especially for an elderly man. I agree LE should make him demonstrate how much he is able to lift, and also take him to show them exactly the spot where he supposedly threw her over.
 
  • #218
A lie, you can never remember, the truth, you can always tell. Words a dear friend's mother used to say about guilty people and liars.

The part about him not cooperating with the police is further down under a couple of ads, just so folks know that that statement is definitely in the article. Had I not scrolled down, I would have missed it.

I wonder what LE's next move will be, and I wonder if he failed the lie detector test which may have caused him to clam up or possibly hire a lawyer.

bbm - I think he probably did as they used the word "deceptive" yesterday when describing him. After the test they might have put a bit of pressure on him to tell them what really happened and then he refused to talk with them. jmo
 
  • #219
What if she's still alive?

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  • #220
The pictures of Bobby might have been from before she had cancer. As someone pointed out above, cancer (and cancer treatment) makes you shed pounds, so she might have been considerably lighter. Nevertheless I agree with you. Even if she was only 100 pounds at the time of her death that's still very heavy to lift up over a bridge railing, especially for an elderly man. I agree LE should make him demonstrate how much he is able to lift, and also take him to show them exactly the spot where he supposedly threw her over.
But do we know for sure that she had cancer, or is that speculation? Also the brother in law thought he might have dementia, but he was ok with him taking his sister on a long trip? What about the kids? Did they think it was ok for them to take that trip? I'm just confused.

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