OH OH - Roberta 'Bobby' Snider, 70, Hartville, 4 Jan 2018 *Guilty*

  • #501
I’m in CA, no clue what county or city I need to look at lol. If you can tell me a city/county directly above the I40/the river, I’ll find the info.



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Ha yeah dunno. I have to use their nwis mapper for unfamiliar areas. Those are probably tributaries to the Tennessee River that look like they don't have very much flow coming down them but that cyclic fluctuation is likely due to releases from the upstream dam on the T R backing up water into the tributary at the confluence. Tidal influence will look the same. So do water levels in wells drilled in the river alluvium near a large dam/ river. The upstream dam release cycle will show up if you graph water level elevation vs time. Interesting if you want to evaluate surface water-groundwater connectivity. I'll stop now.

https://maps.waterdata.usgs.gov/mapper/index.html
 
  • #502
So you are confirming that this area is a high traffic area at all times? Thank you for your helpful post. I was thinking the same thing- it looks to be a busy stretch, and I just don't know how he could have done that without somebody seeing him and getting suspicious. A long, wrapped package being tossed into the river would definitely get my attention!

I'm definitely NOT confirming that this is high traffic at all times. It is however a major US interstate. If I'm planning to dispose of a body, this is the last type of place I would choose. Certainly over the road truck traffic at all times of the day or night. Also to address the thought of an access road heading to the river, I have never seen an access road directly off of an interstate. Usually you need to take a marked exit and then find your way to a location from there.
 
  • #503
Local to Hartville. Probably 12-15 miles.
 
  • #504
I truly believe Bobbie didn't die by her own choice or her own hand. People don't put bodies in rivers unless they have something to hide. Just my 2 cents although we don't have pennies in Canada anymore...

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Not to mention the fact that his story changed over time.
 
  • #505
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I do agree with you, I think Bobby is dead. As far as I know, not one person has come forward between Ohio, Kentucky, or Tennessee to say that they saw her alive. PS said she died on Jan. 6th, which is the date of death written in the obituary. They left on Jan 4th. early morning and according to PS, they drove 285 miles to Sparta, Kentucky and stayed the night at a hotel.

Here's where it gets tricky- the left the next day to drive the remaining 440 miles to Graceland. PS says they almost made it, but when he drove into the Days Inn parking lot, allegedly, Bobby had a medical emergency, to which conveniently, an ambulance was across the street, and he allegedly flagged them down, to which PS claims they took her away, and of course, he had no clue what happened to her from then. The tricky part? That was January 5th, the next day- no one caught that, but I sure did! He claimed that she died on the 6th not only in his interview with LE, but it's listed as that date in the obituary. In the article below, is where this information is coming from:

https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/what-happened-to-roberta-bobby-snyder-hartville-womans-body-missing-after-husband-said-she-died-during-their-trip-to-elvis-graceland

So, we have a discrepancy on her date of death, do we not?
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Yes, I agree. There is a discrepancy on date of death. In his latest story, there’s no mention of the hotel in Kentucky. LE confirmed that he stayed at the Days Inn in Memphis and then the Days Inn in Benton County. So, if they left on Jan 4th, he would have stayed at the Memphis DI that night, Graceland the morning of the 5th, then the Benton County DI on the night of 5th, back home on the 6th. He would have dropped her body over the bridge on the 6th...maybe that’s where he came up w DOD for the obit.

http://www.kare11.com/article/news/...land/465-4fbc8ccd-0622-4e32-b21a-3b8001e811d1

But...that would mean he made the entire 11 hour drive from Hartville to Memphis on the 4th. I don’t know about you, but when I take a road trip, I have to stop along the way to eat, go to the bathroom, stretch my legs, get gas. So, 11 hours per google maps could turn into a 13-15 hour drive easily. Is it likely he did that all in a single day? I don’t think so.

Sadly, I’m not sure how much LE is investigating this. According to this article, Hartville chief seems to say, if a crime occurred, it wasn’t in his jurisdiction. So, to him it’s a missing persons case, and the ball is in the hands of TN authorities. Has there been publicity about this around TN? Anyone know? Have they asked the public whether anyone saw someone dropping something off the bridge on the morning of the 5th? Have they asked boaters to be on the lookout for her body?

https://www.ohio.com/akron/writers/...her-in-river-after-she-died-of-natural-causes

Also, back to the truck. I saw in one article that it was an F-150. Per goggle images, they do come in extended cab (though it looks like they also make them with a standard cab). So, if she was deathly ill, I could see her laying in the back seat for the drive down. And then at some point she passed away and PS just kept driving with her lying dead in the back seat.

https://www.google.com/search?q=for...qofZAhXBp1kKHS4XAhEQ_AUIESgB&biw=1024&bih=638

I just keep going back and forth on natural causes vs. not.

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  • #506
  • #507
Hi vmmking- please forgive me for not getting back to you on this, I had a project for work that I had to complete and didn't want to rush through my answer to you.

I said on a post about two or three pages back that I honestly don't know what to think. I want to believe that this man truly did in his head and his heart what he thought that the love of his life of 53 years would want. I don't want to believe that he did anything sinister to her.

I go back and forth with this. I struggle with it because we just don't have enough details from LE to even try to form an honest opinion. The family has remained quiet, except for earlier into the investigation, Bobby's brother said he did not think that PS committed foul play or harmed her at all, that he believed that PS has early onset dementia (this was in the first article in this thread I believe, and I read other articles from that same day stating that same quote). So, I think to myself, if the family is being quiet about it, maybe they really believe he didn't hurt or harm her, that he's simply confused about what happened after she passed away. Maybe all that the care about at this point is finding her body. If their son went to the paper to help with the obituary, then it does sound like PS needs help with writing it- but why? How can he remember details such as their trip, where he dumper her body, the hotel, he bought garbage bags, asked to find a car wash, obviously traveled home by himself without any help, obviously he had to stop for gas, get food, go to the bathroom, but he wasn't able to write out the obituary alone? Someone asked in this thread if it was possible that he had a learning disability, hence why his son might have needed to help him complete the obituary. Speculation of course, but that is another possibility.

To me, this just seems too thought out to be done alone by someone with dementia. I have said before, though, anything is possible in the medical field- we've all seen miracles of some sort, from babies who weren't supposed to live, live long lives, terminal cancer patients suddenly in remission, tumors disappearing without any reasonable explanation, and so on. So, he could be one of the rarest people with dementia that did indeed do all of this by himself and miraculously made it all the way to Graceland and back without a hitch. However, Bobby's brother said he believe that PS had early stages of dementia- not that he has been officially diagnosed with it. Key word- believes. That, too, has not been confirmed as to whether or not PS has dementia.

For all we know, he could have a mental illness instead, and without proper medication, could be causing him to do strange things, such as instead of calling the family or the cops when she died, he got scared and decided to throw her in the river, out of paranoia that no one would believe him that she died on her own, that he didn't do anything to hurt her.

We also do not know that Bobby was sick and at the end of her life with cancer. That is what PS told LE, but the family has not confirmed this, and some of us have seen where one family member stated they had no idea she was sick.

As far as the lie detector test goes- again, he could have panicked, been paranoid that no one would believe she died on her own, and he threw her in the river out of fear. So, that part could still be true, but who knows?

I do agree with you, I think Bobby is dead. As far as I know, not one person has come forward between Ohio, Kentucky, or Tennessee to say that they saw her alive. PS said she died on Jan. 6th, which is the date of death written in the obituary. They left on Jan 4th. early morning and according to PS, they drove 285 miles to Sparta, Kentucky and stayed the night at a hotel.

Here's where it gets tricky- the left the next day to drive the remaining 440 miles to Graceland. PS says they almost made it, but when he drove into the Days Inn parking lot, allegedly, Bobby had a medical emergency, to which conveniently, an ambulance was across the street, and he allegedly flagged them down, to which PS claims they took her away, and of course, he had no clue what happened to her from then. The tricky part? That was January 5th, the next day- no one caught that, but I sure did! He claimed that she died on the 6th not only in his interview with LE, but it's listed as that date in the obituary. In the article below, is where this information is coming from:

https://www.ohio.com/akron/news/what-happened-to-roberta-bobby-snyder-hartville-womans-body-missing-after-husband-said-she-died-during-their-trip-to-elvis-graceland

So, we have a discrepancy on her date of death, do we not?

So, in conclusion, right now, if I was a betting woman, I would look for a mental illness and not dementia as a cause for his confusion. We honestly have no confirmed diagnosis of PS with dementia, or RS with cancer. We know that PS was recently hospitalized overnight, but we don't know why- it could be that he has a respiratory issue, flu, pneumonia, or a mental breakdown or some other ailment not related to his brain, but for the time being, that too is just speculation and not factual.

Honestly, I truly do hope that Bobby died on her own time and that he is innocent of any wrong doing, other than dumping her in the river.instead of doing the right thing and at least calling a family member or the cops for assistance. I don't want to believe that he did anything to hurt her. So for now, the horse is still dragging me all over the place on a fast merry go round, and I honestly don't know what more can be said on my end as far as my thoughts. I could be way off base on everything.
I should have said that I was jumping off your post. Only part of it was in reply to you. Part of it was in reply to those who seem very certain this was foul play.

In any case, your reply is very detailed and well thought out. This is a very complicated mess.

Another odd thing is that there must be a reason LE is not showing his picture and a picture of the vehicle. It seems common sense to not just show Bobbie's picture, but maybe a picture of the couple and the truck when looking for information. After all, if she died early on, he would be the one most likely to have been seen by someone.

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  • #508
I wonder if something else could be going on with him that his family has mistaken in the past for early signs of dementia.

For example, he could have periods of time where he dissociates. The amnesia part of this could appear, to people who don't understand dissociation or dementia, to be dementia, especially if they have heard of sundowning. They might think that the temporary nature of dissociation is actually sundowning or simply memory issues.

If he did have issues with dissociation, which is sometimes caused by PTSD (and I am curious to know if he served in the military, particularly Vietnam, because agent orange has caused some vets to have some very rare types of dementia that do not look like typical types), this would explain an awful lot of this. Dissociation can be brought on by stress or PTSD. If she did become ill on the way, this could have triggered a dissociative episode. He could have dissociated for a couple of hours while it happened, eventually come back to reality, and been completely confused. Then he would have had to deal with the aftermath without understanding what happened.

The likelihood of dissociation not being diagnosed in someone his age is high, I think, because it is a very uncomfortable thing to tell your doctor that you have hours in days that you can't account for. You may fear, being of his generation, being locked up in a psych ward for it.

I'm trying to find an explanation for this because the way he handled it does not speak to someone thinking this through, which he had time to do. That's why it doesn't look like murder to me. Further, the family obviously at least suspected that something has been amiss in his brain. And, they so far have only shown support that we are aware of.

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  • #509
If PS does have dementia as some have said, then he may be remembering throwing her into the water but that might not necessarily mean they were in Tennessee when he did it either.
There’s a couple of lakes not too far north of their condo in Hartville (Market Ave North) and many more lakes and rivers south of there (in my neck of the woods) that he would’ve had to pass over or beside on his trip enroute to Tennessee.
Probably way too many for LE to check out though.
JMO
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  • #510
http://fox8.com/2018/02/01/i-team-p...idence-in-search-for-missing-hartville-woman/

Here's an interesting update about the case with some new information about the investigation.

The video shows an interview with the Hartville Police Chief, Larry Dordea, in which he states that the FBI is now involved. Also, that they got a DNA sample from Philip on Wednesday after obtaining a court order.

He said Philip's home and truck have been searched with the assistance of FBI electronic technology, and cadaver dogs. Several items of evidence have been gathered and sent to the state crime lab for analysis.

The polygraph is also mentioned, but that the results have not been released.

After watching the video I'm getting the distinct feeling that LE is leaning strongly in a specific direction. If they are correct, I don't believe I am going to be on the fence much longer...

ETA: ( per Hartville LE Police Chief toward end of video )

"I'm waiting patiently until Phil is ready to tell me the truth, and when that happens we'll see where the chips fall..."


JMO
 
  • #511
According to this January 19th article, the Hartville police say they plan to take Philip back to Tennessee to help find her body.
I wonder when they plan to do that?

‘The Hartsville Police Department said they believe Snider’s reported claim about the river dumping. Snider is currently staying with family in Ohio, said Christopher, and he will be taken back to Tennessee to help find the body. Charges might be filed once authorities discover Roberta’s body.’

http://www.wbbjtv.com/2018/01/19/man-claims-dumped-wife-tennessee-river-investigators-search-body/


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  • #512
Conveniently, there is a pickup truck passing in another angle. It looks to me like the center barrier is a bit higher than the side (center seems to have an extra extension on top), so I think you’re right. It seems to be about the right height to go from truck bed over railing with little or no lifting.

True, though there would still be some need to take her weight if parked parallel to the parapet. The only likely way to avoid lifting her at all would be to park up at right angles to it and drag her straight from the back and over the barrier, but that would be pretty noticeable to any other passing traffic.
 
  • #513
http://fox8.com/2018/02/01/i-team-p...idence-in-search-for-missing-hartville-woman/

Here's an update about the case with some new and interesting information about the investigation.

The video shows an interview with LE, in which it is stated that the FBI is now involved. Also that they got a DNA sample from Philip on Wednesday after obtaining a court order for it.

It is said that his home and truck have been searched with the assistance of FBI electronic technology, and cadaver dogs. Several items of evidence has been gathered and sent to the state lab for analysis.

The polygraph is also mentioned but it is stated that the results have not been released.

After watching the video I'm getting the distinct feeling that LE is leaning strongly in a specific direction. If they are correct, I don't believe I am not going to be on the fence much longer...

ETA: ( per Hartville LE Police Chief toward end of video )

"I'm waiting patiently until Phil is ready to tell me the truth, and when that happens we'll see where the chips fall..."


JMO

Thanks for posting this update, JazzTune.
Here’s a couple photos of his truck taken from the Fox8 video.

ETA: In the first photo of the truck you can see that there’s something blurred out beside the drivers side of the truck. Not sure if that him standing beside his truck or maybe the address on the house?

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  • #514
http://fox8.com/2018/02/01/i-team-p...idence-in-search-for-missing-hartville-woman/

Here's an interesting update about the case with some new information about the investigation.

The video shows an interview with the Hartville Police Chief, Larry Dordea, in which he states that the FBI is now involved. Also, that they got a DNA sample from Philip on Wednesday after obtaining a court order.

He said Philip's home and truck have been searched with the assistance of FBI electronic technology, and cadaver dogs. Several items of evidence have been gathered and sent to the state crime lab for analysis.

The polygraph is also mentioned, but that the results have not been released.

After watching the video I'm getting the distinct feeling that LE is leaning strongly in a specific direction. If they are correct, I don't believe I am going to be on the fence much longer...

ETA: ( per Hartville LE Police Chief toward end of video )

"I'm waiting patiently until Phil is ready to tell me the truth, and when that happens we'll see where the chips fall..."


JMO

Thank you VERY much for this update! Wow, wow, wow!

There is a reason why they suspect foul play, folks, and not a natural death. Believe me, the FBI would not be involved in this case unless something sinister happened. They obviously believe he's of sound mind and did something to her, which is what a lot of us suspected from the get go. The FBI doesn't go after elderly people with dementia issues, trust me. Obviously LE knows he's lying about quite a few things. Let's just hope that he leads them to Bobby's body when he goes with them to show where he dropped her off. I have a feeling he will be arrested shortly after they find her.

This does break my heart, though.
 
  • #515
Thanks for posting this update, JazzTune.
Here&#8217;s a couple photos of his truck taken from the Fox8 video.

ETA: In the first photo of the truck you can see that there&#8217;s something blurred out beside the drivers side of the truck. Not sure if that him standing beside his truck or maybe the address on the house?

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Thank you for these amazing photos. I'm probably the only one here that didn't realize that the cab of this truck was enclosed? I thought it was like the many trucks up here in the country, with a wide open cab. So she was allegedly in the back of an enclosed cab with tinted windows- much easier to hide a bundle wrapped in garbage bags, if you ask me.

The discrepancy in her date of death has been bothering me for a few days, He obviously took that road trip to dispose of her body- if she had died a natural death, there would have been no reason to drive all that distance. JMOO

They obviously have found something at home that is leading them to believe she was already gone before the trip- in my opinion only. Now why they are not splashing his photo and truck all over the media to try and see if the public can help with the timeline and whether or not Bobby was seen ANYWHERE alive on this trip, has me puzzled. He is obviously at the very least, a POI, and possibly a suspect at this point as well.

I hope they find answers soon for her family's sake. I can't imagine how upset and worried they must be.
 
  • #516
http://fox8.com/2018/02/01/i-team-p...idence-in-search-for-missing-hartville-woman/

Here's an interesting update about the case with some new information about the investigation.

The video shows an interview with the Hartville Police Chief, Larry Dordea, in which he states that the FBI is now involved. Also, that they got a DNA sample from Philip on Wednesday after obtaining a court order.

He said Philip's home and truck have been searched with the assistance of FBI electronic technology, and cadaver dogs. Several items of evidence have been gathered and sent to the state crime lab for analysis.

The polygraph is also mentioned, but that the results have not been released.

After watching the video I'm getting the distinct feeling that LE is leaning strongly in a specific direction. If they are correct, I don't believe I am going to be on the fence much longer...

ETA: ( per Hartville LE Police Chief toward end of video )

"I'm waiting patiently until Phil is ready to tell me the truth, and when that happens we'll see where the chips fall..."


JMO

What are your guesses about the dna? Just matching it up against dna they found in the house and car for exclusionary purposes?
 
  • #517
Ok, I listened to the video twice and I did not hear that the FBI is investigating, but rather that the police were able to use some FBI technology to search the truck and perhaps the local FBI lab to analyze some of that evidence.

I think it would be a mistake to jump to the conclusion that the FBI is actually investigating this.

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  • #518
Thanks for posting this update, JazzTune.
Here’s a couple photos of his truck taken from the Fox8 video.

ETA: In the first photo of the truck you can see that there’s something blurred out beside the drivers side of the truck. Not sure if that him standing beside his truck or maybe the address on the house?

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Thanks! So it’s not an extended cab. That alone is suspicious to me. If I’m dying of cancer, Sitting upright in a car for a full day drive does not seem like s something I’d want to do. And no way would I lay down in the bed of the truck for that drive either. I had thought with an extended cab, she could lay down in the back seat. But now, no, I don’t see her taking that trip voluntarily.
 
  • #519
Here’s a chart from the 6th until the 31st

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:rocker: PetDetective, your Cypress Creek at Camden station is just to the left of the red x at New Johnsonville on my map (highway 70).


Here is a map and river channel depths (gage heights) for a station upstream and downstream from I-40. The gage elevation according to USGS for both is ~300 feet above mean sea level, so the water depth is measured as a height above the transducer.

Based on the TVA charts, it looks like the water depth has ranged between 54 and 56 feet in the last 7 days. TVA only gives you one graph per gage of the previous week, take it or leave it.

If I were looking for Roberta, I would be sure to check around the large bend by the National Refuge label.

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https://maps.waterdata.usgs.gov/mapper/index.html
 
  • #520
http://fox8.com/2018/02/01/i-team-p...idence-in-search-for-missing-hartville-woman/

Here's an interesting update about the case with some new information about the investigation.

The video shows an interview with the Hartville Police Chief, Larry Dordea, in which he states that the FBI is now involved. Also, that they got a DNA sample from Philip on Wednesday after obtaining a court order.

He said Philip's home and truck have been searched with the assistance of FBI electronic technology, and cadaver dogs. Several items of evidence have been gathered and sent to the state crime lab for analysis.

The polygraph is also mentioned, but that the results have not been released.

After watching the video I'm getting the distinct feeling that LE is leaning strongly in a specific direction. If they are correct, I don't believe I am going to be on the fence much longer...

ETA: ( per Hartville LE Police Chief toward end of video )

"I'm waiting patiently until Phil is ready to tell me the truth, and when that happens we'll see where the chips fall..."


JMO

Thanks! Well, I’m glad to hear that they are actively investigating this. I was starting to have doubts about that. The fbi could be involved because it crossed state lines. (just a guess) it’s also interesting to hear that PS has told multiple stories. We’ve only heard 2.
 

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