OH - Samuel Dubose, 43, killed by Cincinnati LE during traffic stop, 19 July 2015

[i.b.nora]

Sam DuBose' family files initial paperwork for wrongful death lawsuit
By: Adrianne Kelly, WLWT Digital Editor, [email protected]
Published On: Aug 03 2015 05:56:54 PM EDT
Updated On: Aug 03 2015 06:14:40 PM EDT

“CINCINNATI - On Monday, initial paperwork was filed for the DuBose family to bring a wrongful death lawsuit against a University of Cincinnati officer.

The DuBose family attorneys filed an application in Hamilton County Probate Court requesting the appointment of Sam's mother, Audrey DuBose, as administrator of his estate.

As administrator, Audrey will act on behalf of the family and protect the interests of all of his children by investigating and pursuing legal actions to hold Officer Ray Tensing and the University of Cincinnati accountable for Sam DuBose' death.”​

More... http://m.wlwt.com/news/sam-dubose-family-files-paperwork-for-wrongful-death-lawsuit/34513208

 

[Woodland]

Judging by other recent cases, the going payout seems to be $5 million these days for LE shooting and killing without provocation and without charges to the officer.
Wonder if the fact charges have been laid will make any difference to this payout (pretty sure a payout will be granted) - with or without a conviction.

 

[teedie2]

They probably did testify. But the grand jury had all body cam footage.


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Just wondering if there is a quote that says precisely that? The grand jury saw ALL of the body cam video (from the accused's body cam?) or might they have also seen all other videos regarding the "incident?" I hate using that word, it is sort of belittling to the event. "Event" isn't the greatest word either. Anyway, prosecutors have been said to sometimes show only the parts of evidence that furthers their case, they aren't there to do any favors for the accused.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Another msm report claiming Dubose had 2 pounds of pot in his car.

The report comes from WJNO 1290 news radio - a West Palm Beach FOX affiliate (owned by Clear Channel Broadcasting - one of the largest media companies in the US)

http://www.wjno.com/onair/local-news-wire-55666/sources-nearly-two-pounds-of-marijuana-13819855/

Be sure to listen to the podcast. Lots of interesting discussion! Two weeks after the incident the prosecutor has not revealed the quantity of pot in the car. Why? If it turns out that two pounds of pot were in the car (and the information comes from "good sources inside CPD") it will make the claim by the prosecutor that this was a "chicken crap stop" seem ludicrous! (he is beginning to look more and more like Marilyn Mosby).

 

[Montjoy]

If it turns out that two pounds of pot were in the car (and the information comes from "good sources inside CPD") it will make the claim by the prosecutor that this was a "chicken crap stop" seem ludicrous! (he is beginning to look more and more like Marilyn Mosby).

Not really. The justification for the stop has nothing to do with the pot, whether it was 2 grams, 2 pounds, or 2 tons. You're basically advocating a 'shoot first, ask questions later' or 'fishing expedition' protocol for pulling people over. That may work well in dictatorships or countries with no civil rights, but it is totally un-American. (Oh, and another jab at the prosecutor, what a surprise. Let's not forget that a Grand Jury indicted the officer, so perhaps those members of the public also deserve your remarks.)

 

[Cobra Jet]

Not really. The justification for the stop has nothing to do with the pot, whether it was 2 grams, 2 pounds, or 2 tons. You're basically advocating a 'shoot first, ask questions later' or 'fishing expedition' protocol for pulling people over. That may work well in dictatorships or countries with no civil rights, but it is totally un-American. (Oh, and another jab at the prosecutor, what a surprise. Let's not forget that a Grand Jury indicted the officer, so perhaps those members of the public also deserve your remarks.)

I agree. Whether or not the police find something in the end has nothing to do with the stop being valid or not, that’s just making excuses for poor policing. The police are not allowed to pull people over for no reason then just search the car in the hopes of finding something. That’s why some cops look for the slightest thing to pull people over like a cracked taillight or missing front license plate. Then they try to find probable cause to search the car and see what they can find.
I’m a supporter of the police and I’m not soft on crime in the least, but I would not want to live someplace where the police just pull people in the hopes of finding something they can charge with.

BTW, my wife and a few friends have newer cars that don’t even have a place to attach a front plate and none of them have ever been pulled over for that. My wife recently got a warning for a left turn volition and the license plate was not even mentioned. Now if my son who is younger and drives an older car had the same front license issue, I would find a way to attach it because some police seem to be less tolerant of things like that on older cars for some strange reason.

 

[KEVINinTO]

I agree. Whether or not the police find something in the end has nothing to do with the stop being valid or not, that’s just making excuses for poor policing. The police are not allowed to pull people over for no reason then just search the car in the hopes of finding something. That’s why some cops look for the slightest thing to pull people over like a cracked taillight or missing front license plate. Then they try to find probable cause to search the car and see what they can find.
I’m a supporter of the police and I’m not soft on crime in the least, but I would not want to live someplace where the police just pull people in the hopes of finding something they can charge with.

Actually the stop was completely legal. Having stopped SD for the missing plate the officer naturally looked for further infractions. This is what officers are supposed to do (BTW this is how Timothy McVey was caught. He was stopped for a missing plate). When the officer looked inside the car he found the suspicious "gin" bottle. When SD failed to produce his license the officer was within his rights to ask SD to step out of the car. Everything up to the head shot was clearly legal. It will be up to a jury to decide if the head shot was justified but based on the evidence so far it looks like the officer has a good chance of being acquitted.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Actually the stop was completely legal. Having stopped SD for the missing plate the officer naturally looked for further infractions. This is what officers are supposed to do (BTW this is how Timothy McVey was caught. He was stopped for a missing plate). When the officer looked inside the car he found the suspicious "gin" bottle. When SD failed to produce his license the officer was within his rights to ask SD to step out of the car. Everything up to the head shot was clearly legal. It will be up to a jury to decide if the head shot was justified but based on the evidence so far it looks like the officer has a good chance of being acquitted.

Your correct that it was a "valid" stop. What I should have said was it was a BS stop. And I say that because I suspect that it almost never happens in a nice neighborhood to wealthy people. It is something that some cops will use to find probable cause to search a car or person they don’t like the looks of and that doesn’t seem right to me. There is enough crime out there that the police don’t need to go on a fishing trip.

All of this is interesting to discuss, but in the end the prosecutor and the chief of police I believe have both said that regardless of everything else this was murder. In the end, the officer will have a good defense attorney who will try to show reasonable doubt and I’m willing to listen but it will need to make sense. So far IMO it does not because I still believe that the car did not start moving until the Mr. Dubose was killed, so the “I was afraid for my life” seems like a stretch.

 

[Montjoy]

Another msm report claiming Dubose had 2 pounds of pot in his car.

The report comes from WJNO 1290 news radio - a West Palm Beach FOX affiliate (owned by Clear Channel Broadcasting - one of the largest media companies in the US)

It wasn't a report. It was a guest on a radio show (not even its host) who spoke of 'unnamed sources' that he trusted. That is not the same as a newspaper printing something as a fact. A guest on a radio show can say whatever he wants -- it's nothing more than social media or hearsay.

And so, I do not consider this as MSM substantiation of the 'almost two pounds' claim, nor do I count the tweet from a media personality. Let's see someone own it in print or in a MSM news broadcast.

But as has been pointed out to you several times, the fact that there was pot of any quantity does not make the stop any less "chicken crap".

 

[KEVINinTO]

It wasn't a report. It was a guest on a radio show (not even its host) who spoke of 'unnamed sources' that he trusted. That is not the same as a newspaper printing something as a fact. A guest on a radio show can say whatever he wants -- it's nothing more than social media or hearsay.

And so, I do not consider this as MSM substantiation of the 'almost two pounds' claim, nor do I count the tweet from a media personality. Let's see someone own it in print or in a MSM news broadcast.

But as has been pointed out to you several times, the fact that there was pot of any quantity does not make the stop any less "chicken crap".

Actually the "guest" also works for the same radio station. He is John Cardillo - a former NYPD officer and a reporter. If you listened to the podcast he verified this information with police officer with BOTH the CPD police and the University Police. Also tonight he was a guest on HLN's Dr. Drew show. Also this radio station is owned by iHEART media (formerly Clear Channel) a mass media company with over $6 Billion in revenue and 20,000 employees so you are wrong to state that this is not an msm source. I didn't see the Dr. Drew segment but if he Cardillo repeated this claim on his show this is another msm source (HLN is owned by a little company called Time-Warner!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHeartMedia

the company owns more than 850 full-power AM and FM radio stations in the U.S., making it the nation's largest owner of radio stations. Additionally, the company leases two channels on Sirius XM Satellite Radio,

https://twitter.com/johncardillo

John Cardillo ‏@johncardillo 4h4 hours ago
Live with @DrDrewHLN in 10 mins discussing updated in the #SamDubose case.

 

[Montjoy]

Actually the "guest" also works for the same radio station. He is John Cardillo - a former NYPD officer and a reporter. If you listened to the podcast he verified this information with police officer with BOTH the CPD police and the University Police.

Not so fast there -- I did listen to the podcast, and he did not verify the information. He claims to have asked unnamed sources and they did not deny it. That is not the same as confirming it. If they *had* confirmed it, I'm sure he would have said so.

If this information does exist, and if they're willing (as you suggest) to confirm the allegation, then why do you think that it hasn't appeared in any proper MSM source? Not a tweet, not from a radio show guest -- but in a newspaper, or in a news broadcast?

Who knows, it may turn out to be true. But we haven't seen any professional news organization stating it directly. Show me a link to an article in a newspaper. They would print something like that if it were true. But at this point, the claim is still nothing more than rumor or hearsay.

eta -- I think it's really unfortunate that you linked his twitter account. In my opinion, the guy is a hate-mongering reactionary nutjob. After reading that, I trust nothing that comes out of his mouth.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Not so fast there -- I did listen to the podcast, and he did not verify the information. He claims to have asked unnamed sources and they did not deny it. That is not the same as confirming it. If they *had* confirmed it, I'm sure he would have said so.

If this information does exist, and if they're willing (as you suggest) to confirm the allegation, then why do you think that it hasn't appeared in any proper MSM source? Not a tweet, not from a radio show guest -- but in a newspaper, or in a news broadcast?

Who knows, it may turn out to be true. But we haven't seen any professional news organization stating it directly. Show me a link to an article in a newspaper. They would print something like that if it were true. But at this point, the claim is still nothing more than rumor or hearsay.

I would suggest that you listen to the podcast again. He spoke to officer's close to the investigation (from two agencies) who told him about the 2 pounds of pot. He then asked the prosecutor's office for confirmation and they did not deny the claim. The fact that this report is based on unnamed sources doesn't matter. Reporters often get stories from unnamed sources (remember Woodward and Bernstein? They became famous based on reporting based on unnamed sources)

 

[bluesneakers]

Not so fast there -- I did listen to the podcast, and he did not verify the information. He claims to have asked unnamed sources and they did not deny it. That is not the same as confirming it. If they *had* confirmed it, I'm sure he would have said so.

If this information does exist, and if they're willing (as you suggest) to confirm the allegation, then why do you think that it hasn't appeared in any proper MSM source? Not a tweet, not from a radio show guest -- but in a newspaper, or in a news broadcast?

Who knows, it may turn out to be true. But we haven't seen any professional news organization stating it directly. Show me a link to an article in a newspaper. They would print something like that if it were true. But at this point, the claim is still nothing more than rumor or hearsay.

"They did not deny it" is the same as saying "They did not confirm it."

I agree, Montjoy, as of now it's nothing more than rumour and wishful thinking.

 

[i.b.nora]

The Daily Mail had an interesting article on John J Cardillo earlier this year, with some must see photos.

Move along now, I'm really enjoying these Eggs Benedict': Ex-NYPD cop sparks outrage with gun-selfie response to #blackbrunch protests
~ John Cardillo, a former New York officer who served in the 1990s, is now a self-styled, right-wing media commentator
~ He posted a picture on Twitter pointing a gun and the message: 'I'm really enjoying these Eggs Benedict so move along now. #BlackBrunchNYC'
~ Mr Cardillo, 45, who lives in Florida, said on Tuesday that it was 'ludicrous' to suggest he was threatening protesters by posting the photo
~ He also said of the protesters: 'I found those protesters to be blatant racists because they targeted ''white faces'''

By LOUISE BOYLE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 15:49 EST, 6 January 2015 | UPDATED: 17:24 EST, 6 January 2015​

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ters-committed-hate-crimes.html#ixzz3houDwy90

Not my idea of a legitimate journalist nor someone who's opinion seems very meaningful.

 

[Montjoy]

Seriously, check out that <modsnip> twitter page --

https://twitter.com/johncardillo

I'll bet that most of those who read or believe him are <modsnip> who panic every time they see a black face.

I'm going to guess that the poster who linked the podcast read the story initially on *********, and followed the link in the article.

eta -- Bravo, Websleuths! -- I'm really happy that website is blocked here.

 

[KEVINinTO]

Cardillo's politics are irrelevant. He was invited on HLN - A Time-Warner network to provide an update on the Dubose case so he is considered a qualified expert.

 

[bluesneakers]

Seriously, check out that<modsnip> twitter page --

https://twitter.com/johncardillo

I'll bet that most of those who read or believe him are <modsnip> who panic every time they see a black face.

I'm going to guess that the poster who linked the podcast read the story initially on *********, and followed the link in the article.

eta -- Bravo, Websleuths! -- I'm really happy that website is blocked here.

Ohmygoodness. I had to doublecheck I wasn't reading Alex Jones' tweets.

 

[bluesneakers]

The Daily Mail had an interesting article on John J Cardillo earlier this year, with some must see photos.

Move along now, I'm really enjoying these Eggs Benedict': Ex-NYPD cop sparks outrage with gun-selfie response to #blackbrunch protests
~ John Cardillo, a former New York officer who served in the 1990s, is now a self-styled, right-wing media commentator
~ He posted a picture on Twitter pointing a gun and the message: 'I'm really enjoying these Eggs Benedict so move along now. #BlackBrunchNYC'
~ Mr Cardillo, 45, who lives in Florida, said on Tuesday that it was 'ludicrous' to suggest he was threatening protesters by posting the photo
~ He also said of the protesters: 'I found those protesters to be blatant racists because they targeted ''white faces'''

By LOUISE BOYLE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 15:49 EST, 6 January 2015 | UPDATED: 17:24 EST, 6 January 2015​

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ters-committed-hate-crimes.html#ixzz3houDwy90

Not my idea of a legitimate journalist nor someone who's opinion seems very meaningful.

I agree he's not a legitimate journalist, and it's clear to me he has his own agenda.

In response, Mr Cardillo took a selfie in his American flag baseball cap, with the camera looking down the barrel of a gun. He added the words: 'I'm really enjoying these Eggs Benedict so move along now. #BlackBrunchNYC'

 

[MsFacetious]

Cardillo's politics are irrelevant. He was invited on HLN - A Time-Warner network to provide an update on the Dubose case so he is considered a qualified expert.

Being on HLN means you are a qualified expert?!
You mean the "experts" on NG?
We are doomed... simply doomed... :scared:

 

[i.b.nora]

He is not considered a qualified expert by me. I consider him a <modsnip>