OH - Samuel Dubose, 43, killed by Cincinnati LE during traffic stop, 19 July 2015

[i.b.nora]

No, it was not a police car.

 

[bluesneakers]

It seems that at least some of the University of Cincinnati police officers believe that good community policing in the area out and about and around the University, consists of cruising the streets in their dark-tinted windows-up patrol vehicles, and using their license plate readers to forage for stolen cars and other possible unpaid fine scofflaws. (All in addition of course to using it to find a car registered to a female being driven by a male but not reported stolen and killing said male who was driving without a front plate attached to his girlfriend's car.)

There is nothing about those kind of policing techniques that lead me me to believe that at least some of the University Police give a hoot about the community. I think they view them as the scourge of society and using their LPRs and their Sig Sauers they are going to single handedly wipe them off the planet earth.

I posted an article last night that was about other recent arrests that ex-officer Tensing was involved in. It's a good read.

I agree. It's not about upholding the law, not about protecting and serving, not even about being in constant fear of losing their lives. It's about taking down whoever they decide needs to be taken down.

JMO.

 

[BellaVita]

Quote Originally Posted by BellaVita

I know that situation happens, however if one lives responsibly, the odds of being shot by LE are drastically reduced. More often, the times when I think "it could have been me" is when an innocent person is killed by a reckless driver who's been ticketed/license suspended numerous times. Life is dangerous. It's smart to minimize risk if one hopes to live a long time. Following the law as best I can and knowing how to handle a traffic stop is one way of minimizing that danger.

BBM

Chuckles - I live life responsibly. I need to duck if I enter the US? Not a good tourism advertisement imo. I know people planning to head to TN in a few days - will see if I can talk them out of it.

You left out the context. I was asked by another poster how I felt when an innocent person is shot and if I ever said to myself "that could have been me". My reply is quoted above. I don't see the humor in stating the obvious but I will re-phrase: the odds of a law-abiding, responsible person with common sense being shot and killed by LE is almost zero. It is at the extreme bottom of the list of things I worry about. I don't even worry about it at all is more accurate.

No reason to duck in TN. If the people visiting are responsible, they will make out just fine in TN and almost zero chance of being shot by LE.

 

[BellaVita]

If he knew, what was the point of badgering him? JMO

One thought is that LE usually knows who is dealing drugs in a neighborhood. I believe the 2 lbs has been confimed now, if not my apologies about that. But if it's true, he would likely have been on LE radar. I know a lot of people hate that MJ is still illegal in large part, especially the possession of 2 lbs, but it's still against the law. Usually, when LE becomes aware of these things, that info is acted upon.

 

[BellaVita]

Which is exactly the point I was trying to make in the beginning. White people don't think "It could have been me" instead they think "That could never happen to me." Black people always know "It could have been me." Even when I asked you quite directly you still tried to make sure I understood you weren't going to say it could happen to you. Not if you live responsibly. I wasn't asking you about anything else. There was no need for the qualifiers.
JMO.

BBM: I think I'm allowed to make more broad responses than just "yes" or "no'. It is my belief that personal responsibility is paramount in all aspects of life. I'm more worried about being struck by lightning or contracting Ebola than being shot by LE. So, without adding any qualifiers, it is my belief that I will never be shot by LE.

 

[i.b.nora]

You can see the search warrant document for Sam DuBose car here:

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2195737-dubose-car-search-warrant.html#document/p1

Or, (recommended) you can read the article including a video report and a link to the search warrant here:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...marijuana-in-his-car-when-tensing-stopped-him

Police: Sam DuBose had 4 bags, 1 jar of marijuana in his car when Ray Tensing stopped him
WCPO9 Cincinnati
WCPO Staff
1:22 PM, Aug 5, 2015
2 hours ago

“CINCINNATI – Sam DuBose had four bags and one jar of marijuana in his car when he was shot and killed by former University of Cincinnati officer Ray Tensing, according to a search warrant affidavit.”

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“Police records indicate officers discovered two bags of marijuana in the center console, two bags of marijuana under the front passenger seat and a jar with marijuana on the floor behind the driver's seat. The documents did not specify how much marijuana was in the bags and jar.”​

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[bluesneakers]

BBM: I think I'm allowed to make more broad responses than just "yes" or "no'. It is my belief that personal responsibility is paramount in all aspects of life. I'm more worried about being struck by lightning or contracting Ebola than being shot by LE. So, without adding any qualifiers, it is my belief that I will never be shot by LE.

You are allowed to say whatever you want and answer however you want, I just found it interesting you didn't just come out and say it. I have a great deal of compassion and when something bad happens to someone else I try to identify with the person rather than insisting "It can't happen to me." Because believe it or not - bad things happen to good people sometimes.

 

[i.b.nora]

After being beaten in 2010 fight, Ray Tensing seemed like a 'ticking time bomb,' attorney says

WCPO 9 Cincinnati ABC
Tom McKee, James Leggate
5:28 PM, Aug 5, 2015

CINCINNATI – After a fight in 2010, Ray Tensing seemed like “a ticking time bomb,” a defense attorney said.

Tensing, the former University of Cincinnati police officer charged with murder, had been involved in a fight after a party in August of that year. It was just a few weeks after completing his training from the police academy, where he was recognized as an “outstanding student” during the graduation ceremony.

Some words were exchanged about someone’s girlfriend, according to Jay Clark, an attorney who represented one of the men involved. Tensing jumped out of a pickup truck he was in and the fight escalated.

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Between the fight and the trial in June of 2011, Tensing conducted his own investigation, using Facebook to find the people involved and supposedly pretending to be someone he wasn’t, according to two attorneys who worked on the case.

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Tensing pretended to be someone else and texted a girl from the party, trying to fish for information, according to Rabanus.

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In the trial, Tensing was the only witness, according to Clark. After Tensing was questioned by the prosecution, the case was dismissed because of his “investigation.”​

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[bluesneakers]

Also from the article:

At the time, Tensing was applying for law enforcement jobs and he’d participated in the Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office explorer program.

Rabanus said she told the head of the explorer program “that he shouldn’t recommend Mr. Tensing for any type of police employment because…he’s a ticking time bomb.”

After Tensing killed DuBose, Rabanus said she “just kind of shook (her) head.”

“It’s like what I had feared – my impression of him in fearing that he shouldn’t be a police officer back then, and hoping that he wasn’t hired...had come to fruition.”

 

[Montjoy]

From that article -- another great bit about the 'ticking time-bomb' Tensing: "In another text, Tensing was making sure that he met up with another witness before court to go over their stories."

He should have been charged for that. What if the defense attorneys had not discovered this witness tampering?

 

[i.b.nora]

Tensing fired Taser in 2012 and had 'very sound use of force judgment,' according to records

WCPO 9 Cincinnati
By: James Leggate, Jason Law
5:30 PM, Jul 30, 2015
5:41 PM, Jul 30, 2015

CINCINNATI – The former University of Cincinnati police officer charged with killing a man during a traffic stop once wrote on a job application that shooting someone would be “unfortunate, but part of the job.”​

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[KEVINinTO]

“CINCINNATI – Sam DuBose had four bags and one jar of marijuana in his car when he was shot and killed by former University of Cincinnati officer Ray Tensing, according to a search warrant affidavit.”
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RSBM

This is consistent with previous msm reports quoting unnamed LE sources (from both CPD and University police) who claimed SD had 2 pounds of pot in the car. The affidavit does not state quantities but this will come out in do course (RT's lawyer should be requesting this information). What is clear is the quantity of pot discovered far exceeds recreational use and SD would have been facing a prison sentence had he submitted to an arrest.​

 

[i.b.nora]

UC police officers on administrative leave have positive reviews, personnel files show

WCPO 9 Cincinnati
By Brian Mains
2:18 PM, Aug 3, 2015
3:05 PM, Aug 3, 2015

“CINCINNATI — The two University of Cincinnati police officers placed on administrative leave after the fatal shooting of Samuel DuBose by former fellow officer Ray Tensing have consistently received positive on-the-job reviews from their superiors, records show.

The university released the personnel files for UC officer Phillip Kidd and UC officer-in-training David Lindenschmidt in response to an open records request made by WCPO.”​

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http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...ve-have-positive-reviews-personnel-files-show

 

[KEVINinTO]

After being beaten in 2010 fight, Ray Tensing seemed like a 'ticking time bomb,' attorney says

WCPO 9 Cincinnati ABC
Tom McKee, James Leggate
5:28 PM, Aug 5, 2015

CINCINNATI – After a fight in 2010, Ray Tensing seemed like “a ticking time bomb,” a defense attorney said.

Tensing, the former University of Cincinnati police officer charged with murder, had been involved in a fight after a party in August of that year. It was just a few weeks after completing his training from the police academy, where he was recognized as an “outstanding student” during the graduation ceremony.

Some words were exchanged about someone’s girlfriend, according to Jay Clark, an attorney who represented one of the men involved. Tensing jumped out of a pickup truck he was in and the fight escalated.​

Again we have the attorney who represented RT's attackers trying to piggy-back off this case for free publicity.

Clark characterizes RT as a "ticking time-bomb" because of some intemperate text msgs RT sent to his friends AFTER he was attacked. I think most of us would be making comments like "I'm going to get them if the cops don't" if we had been beaten to a pulp. As for the vague accusation of witness tampering did any of his friends even witness the fight? I very much doubt it - if they had they would have come to his defense and of course they cannot be witnesses after the fact based on what he told them because this would be inadmissible hearsay testimony so I think this is just another smear of RT by defense lawyer Clark.

What is troubling to me is how RT's defense attorney is not fighting back and is instead offering "no comment". He should be punching back twice as hard against these smears especially since the facts are on his clients side. From what I have seen of RT's attorney I have not been very impressed so far.​

 

[bluesneakers]

Again we have the attorney who represented RT's attackers trying to piggy-back off this case for free publicity.

Clark characterizes RT as a "ticking time-bomb" because of some intemperate text msgs RT sent to his friends AFTER he was attacked. I think most of us would be making comments like "I'm going to get them if the cops don't" if we had been beaten to a pulp. As for the vague accusation of witness tampering did any of his friends even witness the fight? I very much doubt it - if they had they would have come to his defense and of course they cannot be witnesses after the fact based on what he told them because this would be inadmissible hearsay testimony so I think this is just another smear of RT by defense lawyer Clark.

What is troubling to me is how RT's defense attorney is not fighting back and is instead offering "no comment". He should be punching back twice as hard against these smears especially since the facts are on his clients side. From what I have seen of RT's attorney I have not been very impressed so far.

It was Lisa Rabanus who referred to him as a "ticking time bomb."

Rabanus said she told the head of the explorer program “that he shouldn’t recommend Mr. Tensing for any type of police employment because…he’s a ticking time bomb.”

 

[KEVINinTO]

UC police officers on administrative leave have positive reviews, personnel files show

WCPO 9 Cincinnati
By Brian Mains
2:18 PM, Aug 3, 2015
3:05 PM, Aug 3, 2015

“CINCINNATI — The two University of Cincinnati police officers placed on administrative leave after the fatal shooting of Samuel DuBose by former fellow officer Ray Tensing have consistently received positive on-the-job reviews from their superiors, records show.

The university released the personnel files for UC officer Phillip Kidd and UC officer-in-training David Lindenschmidt in response to an open records request made by WCPO.”​

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http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news...ve-have-positive-reviews-personnel-files-show

It is awful to see how these two officers are being thrown under the bus. They were not part of the shooting. They had the bad luck of being the first officers on the scene. All of their actions and comments were captured by their body cams and they are reflected in the police reports. The claim that they "lied" in their statements hinges on whether or not RT was dragged and that has yet to be determined by a court of law (from RT's body cam it appears that he moved 20 feet up the street in one second. This could only happen if he was dragged!).

From the above link I notice this:

On Friday, a Hamilton County grand jury chose not to indict the two officers who responded to a call for assistance from Tensing on July 19 after Tensing shot DuBose, 43, once in the head during a traffic stop.

Stop and think how ludicrous this statement is. Indict them for what? The killing of SD? They weren't involved. Indict them for "lying" on a police report? There is no evidence of that. Nothing in the police reports contradict what we see in the body cams of these two officers. Why are they even being suspended?

 

[KEVINinTO]

It was Lisa Rabanus who referred to him as a "ticking time bomb."

Rabanus said she told the head of the explorer program “that he shouldn’t recommend Mr. Tensing for any type of police employment because…he’s a ticking time bomb.”

I stand corrected. I suppose Rabanus worked with Clark on the case.

 

[i.b.nora]

“Kidd was also recently assigned to field train Lindenschmidt, who joined UC’s police force in February. In early July, Lindenschmidt received a minimum acceptable rating of 4 out 7 in his field training evaluation conducted by Kidd.

The one area where Lindenschmidt failed to meet minimum expectation was “field performance: stress conditions,” where Kidd rated him at a 3.

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters said Kidd and Lindenschmidt told Cincinnati police investigators they had not seen Tensing being dragged as Tensing claimed in a police report.”

The above is from one of the articles I recently posted.

 

[Tssiemer]

http://local12.com/m/news/features/...-officer-to-seek-change-of-venue-185142.shtml

FTA: Defense attorney Stew Mathews said, "Based on statements made by Prosecutor Joe Deters at the time of the announcement, statements made by city manager, mayor, University of Cincinnati president, all of whom tried and convicted Ray Tensing without the benefit of a trial."



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[i.b.nora]

Trial Date Set: November 16, 2015

Attorney for Ray Tensing has until a week before the trial date to file a motion for change of venue.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/tria...ersity-of-cincinnati-police-traffic-stop-case