OH - Shawn Michael GRATE: 3 bodies found, Ashland/Madison, Sept 2016

[j_in_c]

She is on the shorter side for the range, but otherwise seems like a decent possibility. I went ahead and submitted Dawn Young to the Doe Network as a possible match. I have a feeling the Marion PD will solve this one before any of us online - but either way, I think this one is very solvable with the extra information from her killer. Danielyelle at least has some articles written about her, although very little information about how/when she disappeared.
http://kdhnews.com/news/texas/kille...cle_9072b5d8-aca7-572f-b173-b8691d9d70ca.html

I have posting more on the UID Marion OH Jane Doe thread -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-672UFOH-18-22-along-rural-road-Mar-07/page7

 

[AF555]

It seems like Danielyelle may be a typo from whoever entered the missing persons report. Has anyone ever seen this spelling besides here?

She could have been a runaway from anywhere and changed her identity or obtained a fake ID. It happens more often than we hear about. This recent Lori Ruff lady who ended up killing herself in Longview...was a girl who left her family at age 18 and changed her ID twice. They just figured out who she was after years of mystery.

Also, these magazine subscription sales companies are known to employ troubled young people, sometimes underage..sometimes runaways.


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[Gardener1850]

She is on the shorter side for the range, but otherwise seems like a decent possibility. I went ahead and submitted Dawn Young to the Doe Network as a possible match. I have a feeling the Marion PD will solve this one before any of us online - but either way, I think this one is very solvable with the extra information from her killer. Danielyelle at least has some articles written about her, although very little information about how/when she disappeared.
http://kdhnews.com/news/texas/kille...cle_9072b5d8-aca7-572f-b173-b8691d9d70ca.html

I have posting more on the UID Marion OH Jane Doe thread -
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...l-672UFOH-18-22-along-rural-road-Mar-07/page7

Thanks for posting the link to the Jane Doe thread again. I linked it previously but forgot to subscribe. :facepalm:
I think she can be identified. But I'm not sure if we should believe what her killer says about her appearance/circumstances. Even if her thinks he is telling the truth his long history of drug use could have messed with his memory. JMO.

 

[Aleph]

Thanks for posting the link to the Jane Doe thread again. I linked it previously but forgot to subscribe. :facepalm:
I think she can be identified. But I'm not sure if we should believe what her killer says about her appearance/circumstances. Even if her thinks he is telling the truth his long history of drug use could have messed with his memory. JMO.

Yeah, he doesn't sound all that coherent in the letters he sent to the news station.


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[j_in_c]

I agree that his memory may not be accurate - especially the recollection of her face for a sketch artist. I am hoping since he claimed to keep her ID for a while that he has the name and age closer to correct. It would be helpful to know what parts of his story his mom can corroborate. Was she really selling magazines door-to-door? Does she have any recollections of her age/name/physical description? Since she never saw this woman again, it is likely that she wouldn't recall much. I hope police are also checking if any of the neighbors from that timeframe recall a magazine sales person. It also would be nice to know what season the murder occurred in - I know he doesn't know the date, but seems like he could recall if it was spring/summer/fall/winter.

There are also a few sites that are support-based for people who worked on magazine crews (a place to share stories or help kids who need to escape). They are anonymous, but I was wondering if the web admins could reach out and see if anyone was in Ohio in 2005 and possibly knew the her. I haven't reached out to any of the sites yet - but here are a few in case others can pursue this:
http://www.magcrew.com/purpose.html

http://www.parentwatch.org/about.html

 

[AF555]

I agree that his memory may not be accurate - especially the recollection of her face for a sketch artist. I am hoping since he claimed to keep her ID for a while that he has the name and age closer to correct. It would be helpful to know what parts of his story his mom can corroborate. Was she really selling magazines door-to-door? Does she have any recollections of her age/name/physical description? Since she never saw this woman again, it is likely that she wouldn't recall much. I hope police are also checking if any of the neighbors from that timeframe recall a magazine sales person. It also would be nice to know what season the murder occurred in - I know he doesn't know the date, but seems like he could recall if it was spring/summer/fall/winter.

There are also a few sites that are support-based for people who worked on magazine crews (a place to share stories or help kids who need to escape). They are anonymous, but I was wondering if the web admins could reach out and see if anyone was in Ohio in 2005 and possibly knew the her. I haven't reached out to any of the sites yet - but here are a few in case others can pursue this:
http://www.magcrew.com/purpose.html

http://www.parentwatch.org/about.html

I contacted parentwatch.org and got a reply that they were going to call me, but I never got a call.

 

[cvaldez1975]

when I was a CO I had an inmate with a similarly spelled name, lol some ppl try to be "Creative".

It seems like Danielyelle may be a typo from whoever entered the missing persons report. Has anyone ever seen this spelling besides here?

She could have been a runaway from anywhere and changed her identity or obtained a fake ID. It happens more often than we hear about. This recent Lori Ruff lady who ended up killing herself in Longview...was a girl who left her family at age 18 and changed her ID twice. They just figured out who she was after years of mystery.

Also, these magazine subscription sales companies are known to employ troubled young people, sometimes underage..sometimes runaways.


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[cvaldez1975]

I find it unlikely to forget a name of someone who you call "your first kill" and you had their ID for quite some time. Ted Bundy used to play these games in interviews as well.

I agree that his memory may not be accurate - especially the recollection of her face for a sketch artist. I am hoping since he claimed to keep her ID for a while that he has the name and age closer to correct. It would be helpful to know what parts of his story his mom can corroborate. Was she really selling magazines door-to-door? Does she have any recollections of her age/name/physical description? Since she never saw this woman again, it is likely that she wouldn't recall much. I hope police are also checking if any of the neighbors from that timeframe recall a magazine sales person. It also would be nice to know what season the murder occurred in - I know he doesn't know the date, but seems like he could recall if it was spring/summer/fall/winter.

There are also a few sites that are support-based for people who worked on magazine crews (a place to share stories or help kids who need to escape). They are anonymous, but I was wondering if the web admins could reach out and see if anyone was in Ohio in 2005 and possibly knew the her. I haven't reached out to any of the sites yet - but here are a few in case others can pursue this:
http://www.magcrew.com/purpose.html

http://www.parentwatch.org/about.html

 

[lovinlife83]

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-...-why-he-murdered-victims-in-letters-to-news-5
Grate went on to promise that he would eventually share why he committed “a horrible act of violent behavior” and the second letter details what he said to be his motive.

Grate wrote that while in jail, he received “a clear vision of WHY.”

“They were already dead, just their bodies were flopping wherever it can flop but their minds were already dead! The state took their minds. Once they started receiving their monthly checks.”

Grate said “government assistance” took his victim’s “minds.” He said he applied for government assistance five years ago and received $197 on a food card that he used for a year and a half. He found work making handcrafted signs.

“Never was able to receive any encouragement, though many bodies received 700,” he wrote.

Grate uses the words “people,” “bodies” and “victims” interchangeably.



Wow- I don't even have any words!

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[AF555]

I find it unlikely to forget a name of someone who you call "your first kill" and you had their ID for quite some time. Ted Bundy used to play these games in interviews as well.

He does seem like a game player that would get a kick out of getting more attention from dragging it out with vague or incorrect info.

 

[Gardener1850]

It seems like Danielyelle may be a typo from whoever entered the missing persons report. Has anyone ever seen this spelling besides here?
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Just an FYI, I started a thread for Danielyelle here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-24-Killeen-21-May-2004&highlight=Danielyelle

Her name was spelled that way in two news articles I found. So it's not a typo, just an unusual spelling.

 

[AF555]

"Before then that incident, Denis thought he and grate could have been item.

“I kind of went head over heels for him.”

I confirmed neighbors saw the two together at Denis’s house multiple times in the pool together, hanging out, but he wasn’t the only one falling for the charmer.

“I think most of the women who were with him, were very attracted to him, and they were kind of hoping maybe something more would develop out of it," said Denis."




http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-...-shawn-grate-says-he-was-a-master-manipulator

 

[lovinlife83]

http://m.cleveland19.com/19actionnews/db_330498/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=nC1tO3qx

19: How many kids do you have?

Grate: Three. One with Steph, a daughter named ***** -- she's 18 or 19 now. She's remarried. ... a son named ***** who lives with my mom. He plays football. He's 17.

19: Oh really, what position?

Grate: They move him around to different positions a lot.

19: What about your third kid?

Grate: ******. She's 4.

....

19: Let's talk about Candice Cunningham. You two were dating? For how long? Was she pregnant?

Grate: No she wasn't pregnant. We were seeing each other for about seven months. She was pretty violent and suicidal. I turned her into a psych ward for a week. Then we fought at the house in Richland for three to four days. Then the next day we'd get up and go for walks. She could have run off and told police at any time ... She would take handfuls of pills at a time and I would give her the water.

19: How did you kill her?

Grate: In the house.

19: Then you burned down the house and went back for her body ... why?

Grate: I had to hide her.

19: Now the next woman, Elizabeth Griffith. How did you meet her?

Grate: At the Croc Center. We would hang out and play games.

19: Yahtzee right? I think I read that in a report.

Grate: Yeah and some other games too.

19: What happened with her? Why kill her?

Grate: I'm trying to justify it as compassion. The short time I talked to her she cried several times -- just about life and how she couldn't find anyone to love her. She had a mental illness. Candice was beating herself up too. They tried to put me on psych pills but I didn't want anything controlling my brain.


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[Owutatangledweb]

http://m.cleveland19.com/19actionnews/db_330498/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=nC1tO3qx

19: How many kids do you have?

Grate: Three. One with Steph, a daughter named ***** -- she's 18 or 19 now. She's remarried. ... a son named ***** who lives with my mom. He plays football. He's 17.

19: Oh really, what position?

Grate: They move him around to different positions a lot.

19: What about your third kid?

Grate: ******. She's 4.

....

19: Let's talk about Candice Cunningham. You two were dating? For how long? Was she pregnant?

Grate: No she wasn't pregnant. We were seeing each other for about seven months. She was pretty violent and suicidal. I turned her into a psych ward for a week. Then we fought at the house in Richland for three to four days. Then the next day we'd get up and go for walks. She could have run off and told police at any time ... She would take handfuls of pills at a time and I would give her the water.

19: How did you kill her?

Grate: In the house.

19: Then you burned down the house and went back for her body ... why?

Grate: I had to hide her.

19: Now the next woman, Elizabeth Griffith. How did you meet her?

Grate: At the Croc Center. We would hang out and play games.

19: Yahtzee right? I think I read that in a report.

Grate: Yeah and some other games too.

19: What happened with her? Why kill her?

Grate: I'm trying to justify it as compassion. The short time I talked to her she cried several times -- just about life and how she couldn't find anyone to love her. She had a mental illness. Candice was beating herself up too. They tried to put me on psych pills but I didn't want anything controlling my brain.


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According to this article he is pretty certain the Marion UID was named Dana. Don't know if I believe that.

He sure is trying to manipulate everyone and have his spot in the press. Either he's that press-hungry, that stupid, that remorseful (which he doesn't fully admit he is), or he thinks he's setting up an insanity defense.

 

[kat913]

I wonder if the missing girl "Danielyelle" shortened her name to "Dani/Danny" and he remembers it as "dana"?

 

[Gardener1850]

According to this article he is pretty certain the Marion UID was named Dana. Don't know if I believe that.

He sure is trying to manipulate everyone and have his spot in the press. Either he's that press-hungry, that stupid, that remorseful (which he doesn't fully admit he is), or he thinks he's setting up an insanity defense.

I agree he is trying to manipulate, even from jail. It's sickening the way he makes himself out to be some hero who helped people--and his victims were all wrong in some way (in his mind)--The magazine girl didn't deliver magazines and killing her "helped" his mom, Candice was violent and suicidal and he "helped" by putting her in a psych hospital, Elizabeth had a mental illness and he let her cry to him and "they" both were bad because they tried to give him psych pills. He probably thinks he helped Stacy with her car and was somehow justified in killing her too because she had a past drug history. Justify, justify, justify. He has no remorse.

ETA: I would prefer the press not give him as much attention but, then again, everything he says is only going to guarantee he never gets out of prison.

 

[zeropointmodule]

FWIW I thought I'd mention I emailed Ms. Hickey, reporter he sent the letters to, asking whether they'll release them in full. Their lawyers told them to sit on them for now, which as a lawyer myself I was expecting her to say, but she was polite and left open the possibility of releasing them when and if the DA makes a final decision on their evidentiary value.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Gag order requested by both sides.

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/33...ted-in-accused-serial-killer-shawn-grate-case

I do have to say that although I have enjoyed Grate's interactions with the press as it has provided us with a lot of information, it's about time someone requested the gag order (from a constitutional fair trial perspective and the fact that we want the charges to stick on appeal). The fact it took so long has me worried about the appeal.

 

[smiley]

Idon't know how to share a link, but Nancy Grace had a segment on Shawn Grate last night

 

[rosie_lee]

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-...-grate-admitted-to-killing-in-richland-county

Richland County Coroner's Office officially identified Tuesday a woman police say Shawn Grate admitted to killing.

The coroner identified remains found near a burned house on Park Avenue East in Madison Township in September as those of Candice Cunningham.