GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[IHAVENOCLUE]

:bow:

A Steubemville store owner states it is no fair,to say the,whole,town of Steubenville,is,bad,for,the acts,of a few...,this makes,sense...

However...,had,the,people who KNEW what had happened... had not covered it up... Then proper acknowledgment would have been possible...

However..,with adults and students covering it up...,there was not a direct way to figure out who the guilty parties were..

I hope this makes sense...

JMO

 

[rollinginit]

We need to stop making sports players superstars. A superstar, IMO, proves it by good deeds.

This is a black eye for that sports team. They should and need to rethink what is important. Protecting crimes should not be accepted in any form for any reason. That's not the way you teach our young adults.

Plus, besides the rape of this young girl......where the heck are the parents? They went to three different houses. Adults came in and out of the picture all night long. Why were these kids drinking and were able to drag a girl along to 3 different houses and not ONE person spoke up.

It's sad. It's scary.

 

[believe09]

Seriously-let's start at the beginning. Where did the kids get the booze? You cant drink in Ohio until you are 21. Where did these kids get alcohol and date rape drugs...plus whatever else they were on?

Bloggers and Anonymous, that's what I want to know. Concentric circles.

I actually believe that this victim was offered up because of some kind of angst or revenge.

I had a friend in college who was gang raped. She was set up by someone she loved and trusted. She traveled from her school to his school, had a few cocktails and figured she was in for a night of intimacy with the man she loved. She was-until he opened the door to his fraternity brothers.

One of the longest nights of my life was the one where I was on the phone with her for 8 hours trying to convince her not to throw herself out of her dorm room window or cut her wrists. She moved on, she was married, she had children and she was successful. Eventually.

I dont know how she did it and I admire her for it.

 

[Karmady]

Listen again towards the beginning-his comments regarding the anal rape of the "dead" (drugged unconscious) girl. He also twittered that he anally raped her and she didnt react.

It was essentially the same statement he spoke on the video. imo. It isnt hard to find his tweets-I am not going to copy paste them here because of content.

Thanks. Listened to the video again and found what tweets I could. Still not seeing where he said HE did it. Just saying he knows "she's dead" b/c she didn't react. If you don't want to post the tweet's here, can you just link? I still think he saw a video of the act he's referring to and the peeing on the victim, and what I've seen confirms that a vid was circulated.

 

[Lois Lane]

I was so angry last night when I heard the attorney for one of the rapists state that the alleged victim had texted one of the boys and said" I know you didn't rape me!". He thinks that is proof that his client did not rape her. Really? I'm reading it as an outraged "I KNOW THAT YOU DID NOT RAPE ME!!!!!" Like, "Tell me you did not just say that", kinda statement. She was not saying that he did not rape her, she was expressing her shock and outrage that he had raped her. What a suckie defense. :banghead: The attorney is the one taking things out of context.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...D32eWl28Ehk4w&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.dmQ&cad=rja

If the prosecutors present their case well, I don't see the defense being able to make much hay with this.

Reported testimony from Witness #2 (AC) at the preliminary hearing:

The alleged victim was able to give them the pass code pass code for her cell phone.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/judge-finds-probable-cause-steubenville-rape-inves/nScLX/

 

[hollyjokers]

Thanks. Listened to the video again and found what tweets I could. Still not seeing where he said HE did it. Just saying he knows "she's dead" b/c she didn't react. If you don't want to post the tweet's here, can you just link? I still think he saw a video of the act he's referring to and the peeing on the victim, and what I've seen confirms that a vid was circulated.

He never, not once, says he raped her. When the one boy is disputing whether she is dead, he says, "you didn't see the picture." The boys in the background say multiple times, "TM raped her. They raped her."

Did you all miss the tweet where he says,(paraphrasing) "@swag-whatever and @evanmcg are with me, not the dead body."

<Modsnip>

 

[Fairy1]

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-sheriff-confronts-protesters-football-rape-case-212214094.html

STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - A county sheriff under fire for how he has handled a high school rape investigation faced down a raucous crowd of protesters on Saturday and said no further suspects would be charged in a case that has rattled Ohio football country.

<M R and TM>, both 16 and members of the Steubenville High School football team, are charged with raping a 16-year-old fellow student at a party last August, according to statements from their attorneys.


Well, there you go.

 

[Fairy1]

I'm not sure how anyone can defend anyone who participated in or witnessed this horrific crime. Not just the actual rapists, but those who saw it happening and those who taped, tweeted or otherwise commented on it and did NOTHING to help this child victim.

If that kind of callous indifference is ever acceptable, we're all doomed.

 

[hollyjokers]

I'm not defending his behavior at all, it was inexcusably atrocious. If being a
dic&#8364;he@d was a crime, he's death penalty-eligible. Just stating that people are so eager to grasp onto every nugget these nobody bloggers are putting out there, hearing "confessions" that are not there. "I hope the b@stard loses his football scholarship!" Not only does he not have a football scholarship, he didn't play high school football. Ooh, did you listen to N-, Sr.'s hacked voicemail? Lots of great evidence there. Since when are the cops obligated to divulge every piece of evidence, every witness, every lead they have to appease Nancy Grace wannabes? I waited five years to hear something on the Vaughn case, they gave us absolutely nothing; seems to have worked out okay for them in the end.

 

[hollyjokers]

I'm sorry if I've come across unreasonably harsh. It's just I keep seeing things that are blatantly untrue being passed off as fact. Kind of like when Nancy Grace kept repeating that Laci Peterson had a sonogram on Dec 23.

 

[wanttohelp]

uke:

 

[rollinginit]

I know everybody keeps yelling about more people being charged, but nobody seems to understand that there were 3 boys that were offered deals if they testified against the 2 boys that are now charged. (i posted the link back a page or two) Fair or not fair, that is what happened and that is why more boys were not charged.

Most rumors are saying it was 5 boys involved. 2 are charged and 3 made deals. That's 5 boys. I'm not sure the state can back out on deals they have already made?????

 

[Sjoseph316]

I'm in the valley and I have been to both protests. The problem with the what to believe issue is that the people who get interviewed by news and newspapers are the officials involved, and not only are they not supposed to talk about certain evidence, they are also liars and part of the cover ups.
<modsnip>

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

<modsnip>

Yes, it is true that 3 of the boys were offered immunity deals. They were offered at the very beginning of the investigation by Jane Hanlin, who after 2 weeks recused herself from the case because she is to personally connected to the boys. The three who got the deals are directly involved, saw everything and even admitted to taking pictures and video.

Deals are fine when appropriate, such as after investigations turn up very limited evidence and the perps may possibly get off without charges. But, these deals were given just as the investigation started. So, they were given to keep the boys out of trouble, not to get to the truth. That is one reason for the outrage. Can the deals be revoked? I haven't found a real answer. But, being that the prosecutor who made the deals did so and then recused herself from the case because of personally knowing the boys, I would be willing to bet that some higher court can revoke the deals. One more thing, Hanlin's son is in High School at Steubenville, is an athlete and hangs out with all the boys in the case. It was verified that he was at the parties, and some of his previous tweets do not indicate anything nice. Conclude what you want with that information.

<modsnip>

Finally, some pics I took from the protest. There was a PA system setup and many brave women came forward with their stories of sexual assault/rape against them, some of which for the very first time because they realized it wasn't their fault and they have the world behind them.

The next protest is scheduled for 2/2 as we are giving the FBI time to do their thing. Come on out if you can!!!

 

[rollinginit]

sjoseph316...thank you for the pictures. Those are great.

It will be interesting to see how they handle these deals that were made with the 3 boys. I agree with you. It was handled wrong, but the question remains....can they revoke what was already given? The boys have already testified at some point, so can the deal now be thrown away after they have already made statements???

And if somebody else revokes the deal....does that void the 3 boy's previous statements? I wonder how that all works.

 

[believe09]

Just to bump this article:

http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2013/jan...more-charges-possible-steubenvill-ar-1300483/

STEUBENVILLE, Ohio -- An online video has sparked more outrage into the case of two Steubenville High School football players charged with rape.


Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said Friday that while the video is not new evidence, he has not ruled out the possibility of additional charges

The Sheriff yesterday:

STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (Reuters) - A county sheriff under fire for how he has handled a high school rape investigation faced down a raucous crowd of protesters on Saturday and said no further suspects would be charged in a case that has rattled Ohio football country.

Now IIRC, the AG's office made it clear that they are responsible for charging, not PD. So what is going on here?

 

[hollyjokers]

The localleaks page is no more accurate than any other. They had the arrest dates wrong, twice. Where is the further evidence that the RRR website guy was involved in child ? Their statements about N's involvement are false. I haven't bothered to read it for a couple days. I'll just wait for the trial to hear what the truth is. <modsnip>
A final note: I'm not from Steubenville, never lived there, but it is sad to see it denigrated. Obviously the economy sucks, but I've always enjoyed going there for whatever reason; the people have always been overwhelmingly nice. <modsnip> But whatever, if you happen to go there, pick up some DiCarlo's Pizza or Steubenville Bakery Bread - best ever.

 

[JBean]

The line between fact and fiction is becoming seriously blurred by both sides of this issue.

Please do not rely on blogs for 'fact" check. We can use MSM, the LE page and a couple of the blogs to compare timelines and info and see what shakes out.
I am going to go out on a limb and speak for all of us when I say that no member here supports rape.
But we have to be careful that in a push for justice that posts do not become careless or irresponsible in accusations and information;that can undermine our own credibility.

Please stick to MSM articles. Due to the nature of this topic - some blogs are allowed for discussion points and comparison- but they do not necessarily contain factual information either.

Do not name minors on this board- please use initials.

 

[Gardenlady]

JBean, a question - I notice that mine and others' posts have been edited to take out the name of the young man with the last name N (the guy in the video laughing about the rape for 12 mins). I understand that he is 18 - not a minor. Are we not allowed to name him, especially when he is named in MSM?

Thanks!

 

[time]

I'm in the valley and I have been to both protests. The problem with the what to believe issue is that the people who get interviewed by news and newspapers are the officials involved, and not only are they not supposed to talk about certain evidence, they are also liars and part of the cover ups.
<modsnip>

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

<modsnip>

Yes, it is true that 3 of the boys were offered immunity deals. They were offered at the very beginning of the investigation by Jane Hanlin, who after 2 weeks recused herself from the case because she is to personally connected to the boys. The three who got the deals are directly involved, saw everything and even admitted to taking pictures and video.

Deals are fine when appropriate, such as after investigations turn up very limited evidence and the perps may possibly get off without charges. But, these deals were given just as the investigation started. So, they were given to keep the boys out of trouble, not to get to the truth. That is one reason for the outrage. Can the deals be revoked? I haven't found a real answer. But, being that the prosecutor who made the deals did so and then recused herself from the case because of personally knowing the boys, I would be willing to bet that some higher court can revoke the deals. One more thing, Hanlin's son is in High School at Steubenville, is an athlete and hangs out with all the boys in the case. It was verified that he was at the parties, and some of his previous tweets do not indicate anything nice. Conclude what you want with that information.

<modsnip>

Finally, some pics I took from the protest. There was a PA system setup and many brave women came forward with their stories of sexual assault/rape against them, some of which for the very first time because they realized it wasn't their fault and they have the world behind them.

The next protest is scheduled for 2/2 as we are giving the FBI time to do their thing. Come on out if you can!!!

<snipped pics - see above original post>

Thanks those much for posting those. It's great to see people who care so much they are willing to organize and come out!

 

[JBean]

JBean, a question - I notice that mine and others' posts have been edited to take out the name of the young man with the last name N (the guy in the video laughing about the rape for 12 mins). I understand that he is 18 - not a minor. Are we not allowed to name him, especially when he is named in MSM?

Thanks!

Just initials. Thanks for checking.