GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

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  • #581
1) LisaB and others, I wouldn't assume too much. These are drunk or other-using Steubenville High School kids, naive, impervious, self-centered, imature egomaniacs. "Jane Doe" has had at least one serious boyfriend in the past. When she awoke - at least hung over, possibly drugged - I bet a hot shower, embarrasment, and hunger were at the top of her list. Besides, I don't think this gets us anywhere.

2) A google of Jason Hanlin turned up his publicly available child support hearings (Appeal). From what I read, here was what stood out. i) His ex-GF had to fight him to pay $317 in school expenses for his child? Sad all around. ii) His ex was miffed that his lawyer, then girlfriend/wife, was representing him. Talk about a small town. iii) Jane Hanlin didn't submit her income statements as part of the support decision.

3) When you google something like "Steubenville Ohio 'Jason Hanlin' ", you can see numerous articles per drug busts he has made, which I commend him for.

This said, it appears that the police and prosecuting attorney have a LOT of LEEWAY how hard they prosecute alleged criminals. We have seen how this case was watered down from the beginning. Here are examples of additional crimes that can be added to criminal activity, that, as a non-lawyer, seem like they could be added to this case. And this is gleaned from a case Hanlin has pushed himself.

Marijuana trafficking indictments returned

"The investigation by local, state and federal drug officials lasted more than two years. The charges against those indicted include engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity, money laundering, possession of drugs, drug trafficking, possession of criminal tools and conspiracy and complicity to drug trafficking."

{Bolded are items that could apply to this case}

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/page/content.detail/id/558834.html

From another Hanlin case I got this crime: "tampering with evidence." This is on top of the numerous other criminal acts which may have allegedly occurred (which I listed a few pages back).

4) Caselaw has an interesting case: State vs Kelley. It was an Appeal filed for Kelley, and involved Detective Jason Hanlin of the Steubenville Police Department.

Kelley argued on Appeal that Hanlin used a taped conversation at trial, from an Informant, but the Informant was never identified. This does seem odd to me - how can the Detective or court athenticate the evidence. Isn't this heresay? "She argues that her Sixth Amendment constitutional right to confrontation was violated in two respects." For a lawyer, this Appeal might be interesting.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/oh-court-of-appeals/1478340.html

5) As an aside, a lot of these alleged criminals appear to be short. Short football players, short wrestlers, etc. 5'7", 5'8". Only one seemed tall. Do we have a Napolean Complex with this group?
 
  • #582
I would imagine she was scared or humiliated or both.


Yes...she must have been so scared, humiliated... And incredibly confused!
Maybe someone can request it.

Yes... She must have been so scared, humiliated... And incredibly confused... :(

Here.... I can help pay... :twocents: :D
 
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Good or Bad?

Dr. Phil to cover Steubenville Rape Case this week

Thursday - January 17, 2013

Football, Booze and Bad Behavior


DrPhil.com: "It’s a case that has made headlines and rattled the tight-knit city of Steubenville, Ohio: Two high school football players are accused of raping a 16-year-old girl while partying in August 2012, and some community members are accusing authorities of conducting a lax investigation in order to protect the football program. The case recently garnered national media attention after a video showing a teenage boy joking about the rape was leaked online by Anonymous, a loosely associated group of Internet hackers. Ma'lik Richmond and Trenton Mays, both 16, have been charged with rape and are awaiting trial as juveniles — but some critics believe the teens should be tried as adults and that more students should be charged. Dr. Phil talks to community members about the controversial investigation and how social media is playing a part. Tune in and decide for yourself: Are city leaders trying to protect the town’s beloved football program, or is justice being served?"

http://drphil.com/shows/
 
  • #586
There is a Wordpress blog that has what could possibly be the transcripts. Google search Steubenville Probable cause transcripts. Im still reading but I would like some input on if they seem legit. Tia
 
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If you are discussing stranahaninexile, (http://stranahaninexile.wordpress.com/) then I take the blog with a grain of salt. What we have is heavily edited representations of what are called the transcripts. They are chopped up, they contain graphic discussions of some of the photos and the sex acts performed upon that child. They seem to represent the position that the parents made unfounded claims that opened the investigation. And, most disheartening, he deliberately throws in a chunk about this child's previous alleged experience with alcohol.

It doesnt matter if she drank before-she was unable to consent to multiple sex acts.

Publish them all, that would be transparency.
 
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This is a new this weekend Herald Star Online article that I don't think has been posted here yet.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag.../Rape-trial--Will-it-stay-here-.html?nav=5010

Rape trial: Will it stay here?
Legal experts say change of venue motion may be too hard to prove

January 13, 2013
By MARK LAW - Staff writer ([email protected]) , The Herald-Star


"STEUBENVILLE - Legal experts believe a change of venue motion filed Friday in the rape case involving two Steubenville High School student-athletes will be hard to prove.

T---- M---, 16, of Bloomingdale and M---- R-------, 16, of Steubenville have been charged with rape. M---- also has been charged with illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. They are scheduled to go on trial beginning Feb. 13 before visiting juvenile Judge Tom Lipps. There will be no jury. Lipps will make the decision of guilt or innocence. Attorneys for the defendants have denied the charges in court.

Much, much more...

Also available within the same article is a Timeline (a summary of events) which is in the form of a PDF


http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582064_1.pdf
 
  • #591
Mob destroys reputations: http://www.hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/581967/Mob-destroys-reputations.html?nav=5007

Note to Jane Hanlin:

Remember that fifteen-year-old girl who was raped by several of your kid's friends, and then had photos of the assault posted on the internet where she was mocked and called a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬? She is the victim here. You are not.

Your job is to represent victims, prosecute criminals and answer to the public.

Ur doing it wrong.

You know us. You don't know them.
Who will you believe?
Frank J. Bruzzese
Steubenville
I think that is the problem, Frank. They do know you. Never ask a question you dont know the answer to, right? Litigating 101.
 
  • #592
This is a new this weekend Herald Star Online article that I don't think has been posted here yet.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag.../Rape-trial--Will-it-stay-here-.html?nav=5010

Rape trial: Will it stay here?
Legal experts say change of venue motion may be too hard to prove

January 13, 2013
By MARK LAW - Staff writer ([email protected]) , The Herald-Star


"STEUBENVILLE - Legal experts believe a change of venue motion filed Friday in the rape case involving two Steubenville High School student-athletes will be hard to prove.

T---- M---, 16, of Bloomingdale and M---- R-------, 16, of Steubenville have been charged with rape. M---- also has been charged with illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. They are scheduled to go on trial beginning Feb. 13 before visiting juvenile Judge Tom Lipps. There will be no jury. Lipps will make the decision of guilt or innocence. Attorneys for the defendants have denied the charges in court.

Much, much more...

Also available within the same article is a Timeline (a summary of events) which is in the form of a PDF


http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582064_1.pdf
thank you-the pdf was great!
 
  • #593
Mr. Bruzzese strikes me as some what similar to the Sheriff. IMO there is an art to knowing when to say nothing.

In any case, having him leaping into the fray makes me a little more curious about him and about Ms Hanlin, as well as what has been said about them.
 
  • #594
Good or Bad?

Dr. Phil to cover Steubenville Rape Case this week

Thursday - January 17, 2013

Football, Booze and Bad Behavior


DrPhil.com: "It’s a case that has made headlines and rattled the tight-knit city of Steubenville, Ohio: Two high school football players are accused of raping a 16-year-old girl while partying in August 2012, and some community members are accusing authorities of conducting a lax investigation in order to protect the football program. The case recently garnered national media attention after a video showing a teenage boy joking about the rape was leaked online by Anonymous, a loosely associated group of Internet hackers. Ma'lik Richmond and Trenton Mays, both 16, have been charged with rape and are awaiting trial as juveniles — but some critics believe the teens should be tried as adults and that more students should be charged. Dr. Phil talks to community members about the controversial investigation and how social media is playing a part. Tune in and decide for yourself: Are city leaders trying to protect the town’s beloved football program, or is justice being served?"

http://drphil.com/shows/

Sigh.
 
  • #595
I know this case is receiving some national coverage, but I am still waiting for it to "blow up". But I feel like it's not going to. Why not? At this point, the entire national media knows about the case. So why aren't they giving it massive coverage? Is there not enough public interest? Do people just not want to hear about it; pretend this doesn't happen? Most media executives--the people who decide what goes on TV---are men. Do they not want to talk about this? Have a rape apologist attitude?

ETA: When I say "blow up"--I mean the level of Penn State scandal, Duke rape case. A household name case. I don't think it's quite there. And as the days and weeks go by, I become less certain that is going to reach that level. Right now, it seems like a "flash in the pan" story, and that isn't going to bring any justice/changes to Steubenville.
 
  • #596
I know this case is receiving some national coverage, but I am still waiting for it to "blow up". But I feel like it's not going to. Why not? At this point, the entire national media knows about the case. So why aren't they giving it massive coverage? Is there not enough public interest? Do people just not want to hear about it; pretend this doesn't happen? Most media executives--the people who decide what goes on TV---are men. Do they not want to talk about this? Have a rape apologist attitude?

ETA: When I say "blow up"--I mean the level of Penn State scandal, Duke rape case. A household name case. I don't think it's quite there. And as the days and weeks go by, I become less certain that is going to reach that level. Right now, it seems like a "flash in the pan" story, and that isn't going to bring any justice/changes to Steubenville.

I think when Anonymous gets done vetting their information that they plan to put up on the LocalLeaks website it might get to be a bigger story. It's also possible that national media is doing it's own investigation and is waiting til everything is vetted before reporting it. JMO
 
  • #597
I think when Anonymous gets done vetting their information that they plan to put up on the LocalLeaks website it might get to be a bigger story. It's also possible that national media is doing it's own investigation and is waiting til everything is vetted before reporting it. JMO

So the national media is A. Doing their own investigative reporting and B. Waiting until all facts/information are out before reporting on the case. Are we talking about the same national media? Haha. But I hope you're right.
 
  • #598
This is a new this weekend Herald Star Online article that I don't think has been posted here yet.

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag.../Rape-trial--Will-it-stay-here-.html?nav=5010

Rape trial: Will it stay here?
Legal experts say change of venue motion may be too hard to prove

January 13, 2013
By MARK LAW - Staff writer ([email protected]) , The Herald-Star


"STEUBENVILLE - Legal experts believe a change of venue motion filed Friday in the rape case involving two Steubenville High School student-athletes will be hard to prove.

T---- M---, 16, of Bloomingdale and M---- R-------, 16, of Steubenville have been charged with rape. M---- also has been charged with illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material. They are scheduled to go on trial beginning Feb. 13 before visiting juvenile Judge Tom Lipps. There will be no jury. Lipps will make the decision of guilt or innocence. Attorneys for the defendants have denied the charges in court.

Much, much more...

Also available within the same article is a Timeline (a summary of events) which is in the form of a PDF


http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pdf/news/582064_1.pdf

From the article;

...Harris said the video released by Anonymous that shows Michael Nodianos of Steubenville commenting on the alleged rape also demonstrates how social media has an impact on criminal investigations. He said people post videos, pictures and comments on Facebook, YouTube and other places on the "universal billboard" called the Internet without realizing that information can be used in court.

"It is just dumbfounding," he explained.


BBM

Isn't that the point? If a sloppy investigation is done then outside sources have to post evidence. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I'm guessing it's because it's hitting too close to home. JMO
 
  • #599
Except the video wasn't new evidence. Detectives had it August 15th & viewed many times to figure out the conversations taking place, then interviewed Nodianos on August 17th. - per preliminary trial transcript. Derndit!
 
  • #600
I know this case is receiving some national coverage, but I am still waiting for it to "blow up". But I feel like it's not going to. Why not? At this point, the entire national media knows about the case. So why aren't they giving it massive coverage? Is there not enough public interest? Do people just not want to hear about it; pretend this doesn't happen? Most media executives--the people who decide what goes on TV---are men. Do they not want to talk about this? Have a rape apologist attitude?

ETA: When I say "blow up"--I mean the level of Penn State scandal, Duke rape case. A household name case. I don't think it's quite there. And as the days and weeks go by, I become less certain that is going to reach that level. Right now, it seems like a "flash in the pan" story, and that isn't going to bring any justice/changes to Steubenville.

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I agree. Not sure exactly why. The Dr. Phil show might help in upping the coverage and raising the profile of the case to Marge and Bill in Iowa. I'm guessing part of the reason is it's Steubenville, which I never knew anything about til a year ago. Also, Duke and others fit the media (liberal media) profile of supposed white folks using their supposed power against poor "people of color". This case doesn't fit that profile. I know that M.R. is African American, but I've read rumors that the alleged victim is bi-racial, and from a private school. Rich? Again, not the evil Mitt Romney characterization. Not every case gets national attention.

A very similar case in Richmond, California, is starting to hand down sentences for similar crimes, and it didn't go national. Again, this may not fit the media narrative - most of the criminals (they have been convicted) were Latino or black, and I don't know what ethnicity the victim is. (The first two perps got 20-25 years for rape in concert, robbery, and battery.)

We have to be careful about blowing up rumor and half truths, into presumed facts. For example, if the few posted pages from the preliminary hearing are real, then it might make sense that the judge ruled out kidnapping, and other charges. And for the first time, I read that a football coach KICKED OUT partying kids - which means he acted responsibly - not that he hosted a party. Again, if what I read is true.
 
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