GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[katydid23]

I heard the attorney for MR today on talk radio. He called in to KFI LA because the host wAs discussing how disgusting that picture was of the 2 boys dragging the limp body through the party.

And this attorney was saying how ' heroic' and noble 'this fine young man' was. And if we had any idea how hard his life was growing up, that we'd feel awful for 'demonizing' this young man. And he said "we need to realize that the picture is just a moment in time, nothing more, and we don't know exactly what is happening."

I was screaming at my car radio!!!! I am so sick of attorneys using that excuse. I don't care how hard MR's childhood was. That doesn't give him the right to rape a young girl and
treat her like a piece of dead meat!

 

[believe09]

If they never asked him, how do they know it was consensual :waitasec:

There is nothing right about calling in threats to a school or making threats against the town or even threatening the accused and those who have put themselves front and center in this case.

Nothing, imo. We would be marching in the streets of Steubenville if something this overt was going on where the victim lives and goes to school, and rightly so.

I am so torn by all of this-I hate the intimidation aspects, I hate the one up-manship of Anonymous, but I am incredibly grateful for their determination regardless of their motives.

I hope the victim is OK and knows she wasnt at fault. That none of this was her fault.

 

[Steely Dan]

BBM - and how did they get to the point where this was their heinous attitude?

My first questions after that is, where did they get the alcohol? Were there drugs and where did they get those? Whose house was available for the parties?

In the long run, I think what we all hope is that this kind of thing does not happen again, anywhere. In my mind, again, there are a lot of adults and those promoting some culture while these kids are growing up that need to sincerely look at themselves... some should be fired and possibly convicted too. I can't believe the one coach came right out and decided the victim told a story about all this because she didn't want to admit she was drunk. I can't believe the prosecutor didn't recuse herself the moment she knew this involved any connection to her - which was probably about 3 seconds after the victim and her parents started talking to her if not before that because of it's spread on social media. What is wrong with the adults and those in the community who just want to complain about being bad mouthed and so forth.

The extremely sad part of all of this is that rapes by football players go unpunished in towns where football is big. That's A LOT of towns.

If they never asked him, how do they know it was consensual :waitasec:

There is nothing right about calling in threats to a school or making threats against the town or even threatening the accused and those who have put themselves front and center in this case.

Nothing, imo. We would be marching in the streets of Steubenville if something this overt was going on where the victim lives and goes to school, and rightly so.

I am so torn by all of this-I hate the intimidation aspects, I hate the one up-manship of Anonymous, but I am incredibly grateful for their determination regardless of their motives.

I hope the victim is OK and knows she wasnt at fault. That none of this was her fault.

Anonymous used to be a bunch of :censored: , but they realized they could use their computer skills for good. They've been awesome at irritating scientology.

 

[hollyjokers]

I COULD be wrong, but I don't think she was talking about her son :waitasec:

Where is the confusion? My son is still in high school. The promising athlete who showed a great kindness & patience towards him is now in a penitentiary.

 

[AbbeyR]

Anonymous used to be a bunch of :censored: , but they realized they could use their computer skills for good.

Anonymous isn't really a 'group' anymore in the traditional sense (let alone a person, as the Sheriff hilariously implied). It's more like a gateway to political action -- the group is only defined insofar as they come together, temporarily, for a particular cause. Here's an article that briefly explains the history, if anyone is interested: http://mediacommons.futureofthebook.org/tne/pieces/anonymous-lulz-collective-action

I'm inspired by what's going on in Steubenville. It reminds me of that Margaret Mead quote: "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed, citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

 

[Lois Lane]

Police suspend phone solicitation fundraiser after possible fraud

What started out as a typical fundraising phone call for Weirton's lodge of the Fraternal Order of Police child safety booklet ending up becoming a little suspicious for one woman.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/police-suspend-phone-solicitation-fundraiser-after/nTqf2/

 

[Lois Lane]

Greg Mitchell at The Nation:

4:35 Over the past few days, we have carried several links to Alexander Abad-Santos at Atlantic Wire. Now he's out with a lengthy original bit of reporting that includes a detailed interview with the alleged Anonymous figure behind the LocalLeaks site--as well as probing the charted and uncharted waters of the alleged "gambling ring" run by the local sheriff (a little surprising to see this much of unproven material at The Atlantic, I must say.) Read it all here.

More at the links.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/172051/steubenville-rape-case-tuesday-updates-media-coverage-explodes#

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/

 

[Steely Dan]

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/police-suspend-phone-solicitation-fundraiser-after/nTqf2/

The guy asked her if she'd heard about the case and she gets all paranoid? :waitasec:

 

[Steely Dan]

Greg Mitchell at The Nation:



More at the links.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/172051/steubenville-rape-case-tuesday-updates-media-coverage-explodes#

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/

Well we know the Sheriff in the town was acquitted of covering up gambling rings in 1991. http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=3453,161287&dq=abdalla +gambling&hl=en

If the anonymous accusations are correct, and their lawyer says they are. Then there is going to be a full :censored: pile of doom descending on that Sheriff and that town. This is going to go from covering up a rape by football players to investigating the entire town and a lot of people will lose jobs and be prosecuted. If all of that excrement is really going on I hope it all falls on their heads and there is a lot of prison time given to all involved, in everything.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/

Here's the exact quote from the lawyer; ...Leiderman, the LocalLeaks lawyer, while concerned, was also confident: "If they're going to sue 'em for defamation, good luck with it," he said...

It sounds like they've really done their homework. Here's another part of that article;


... We have sources in his department (and other law enforcement agencies), in his bar and even in his own HOME. We mention one other venue for this in the disclosure, and we are in the process of verifying leaks involving a half dozen other establishments used as covers for Abdalla's gambling kingdom. They include everything from sports equipment outlets to an ice cream shop used to launder the proceeds. Eventually as we process, analyze, and fact check what we have we will reveal more on the disclosure page. My general opinion is that if your source seems consistent and sound then the info is almost certainly true. Here's a leak and exclusive that you can print with attribution to LocalLeaks:

We have been working with a source who is an employee at the Spot Bar in Steubenville who we trust to provide us with solid material. This source reported that last Friday, as the "Steubenville Files" disclosure was really beginning to go global — Abdalla stormed into the Spot Bar and announced out loud: "No one says anything, no one talks to anybody." He then proceeded to the back room of the bar to have a meeting with his "business partners." Our source also added that far from shutting down, business continues as usual and is brisk....

 

[Lois Lane]

Steubenville circus

At bottom, this increasingly wild story is still about the most horrific of allegations, and the quest for truth and justice. No one should forget it.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Editorials/2013/01/09/Steubenville-circus.html

 

[LinTX]

I'm sure the townspeople are oh so grateful for the intervention. I'm sure the schoolchildren who were frightened to the point of vomiting will see the bigger picture when its all said & done.

Justice feels good.

I am not insensitive to the children's feelings - my point wasn't directed to what they experienced. Children all over the country are sadly learning about lock downs in their schools these days, either real ones or practice drills. It's sad that any of our children need to go through that, I agree. I do have to wonder though how calm the teachers were during that lock down if the children were affected like that. That doesn't need to happen.

As for intervention and the townspeople's feelings over this issue, there seem to be quite a lot that show support during the demonstrations and have also been pretty vocal online regarding the local justice system and how the 'football rules' atmosphere affects their children. The bigger picture most people are concerned with, after all is said and done, is a safe place where your friend's son can grow up knowing that fairness will be there whether or not he plays football or is related to someone in power. And that abuse of any type - whether mental, physical or political -will not be tolerated.

 

[Lois Lane]

Young people’s use of social media and mobile technologies to document every facet and event in their lives, including violent and criminal behavior, has drawn national attention to the investigation into an alleged rape of a teenage girl in Ohio.

Paul Levinson, who teaches communications and media studies at Fordham University in the Bronx, says the motivation to document violence is “old-fashioned bragging.”

“When your morality is so degraded that you do these thing in the first place, whether it’s beating somebody up or, even worse, raping someone, the appeal for some people is, as a part of that process, to proclaim to the world you did that and have documentation,” Mr. Levinson says.

The dynamic is creating a “whole new world” in the criminal justice system, says Lisa Smith, an attorney who specializes in domestic violence cases and who teaches law at Brooklyn Law School. Unlike traditional cases involving DNA, or other science-based evidence, where one side might rely on the testimony of a medical professional to guide the jury through their interpretation of a certain theory, cases involving text messages, mobile videos, and Facebook and Twitter postings as evidence hang on the direct values and behaviors of the jurors themselves.

Interesting read. Much more at:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...al-media-creates-new-world-for-justice-system

 

[believe09]

http://www.toledoblade.com/Editorials/2013/01/09/Steubenville-circus.html

I am not sure the point of the editorial, fwiw, unless it was trying to draw attention back to the crime :waitasec:.

I think it is ridiculous that the school or anyone has to worry about fanatics.

I want to see the effect the AG's office, the DOJ and the FBI have on the investigation.

As to the sheriff, Jane Hanlin, the coach, the parents-I hope they are ready. They will, and should be, facing some very very very tough questions regarding how this entire situation got to this point and how it was handled.

jmvho.

 

[Foxfire]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ed-not-questioned-as-witness-lawyer-says?lite

Teen in crude video about alleged Ohio rape not involved, not questioned as witness, lawyer says..

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Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla has confirmed that the video was shot at a different location from where the incidents occurred, and McNamara said the young man didn't know the alleged victim. Because he wasn't present and was acting on second- or third-hand information, the young man isn't involved in the investigation and hasn't been called as a witness, McNamara said.

Abdalla his office had been flooded with calls from county residents who said they felt threatened after the hackers posted their threat to reveal more personal information about others it alleged were involved. He said he knew who was behind the threat and that he would be dealt with.
"Say what you want to say about me. Do character assassinations like you do and you're going to continue to do," he said. "But when you start doing a hatchet job on innocent children, putting their names out on the computers and the Internet, on Facebook, I'm coming after you. Simple as that."

 

[believe09]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ed-not-questioned-as-witness-lawyer-says?lite

Teen in crude video about alleged Ohio rape not involved, not questioned as witness, lawyer says..

(snipped-read more)

Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla has confirmed that the video was shot at a different location from where the incidents occurred, and McNamara said the young man didn't know the alleged victim. Because he wasn't present and was acting on second- or third-hand information, the young man isn't involved in the investigation and hasn't been called as a witness, McNamara said.

Abdalla his office had been flooded with calls from county residents who said they felt threatened after the hackers posted their threat to reveal more personal information about others it alleged were involved. He said he knew who was behind the threat and that he would be dealt with.
"Say what you want to say about me. Do character assassinations like you do and you're going to continue to do," he said. "But when you start doing a hatchet job on innocent children, putting their names out on the computers and the Internet, on Facebook, I'm coming after you. Simple as that."

I think we have seen this quote from Abdalla before, frankly. I dont think he can back it up, but if he can he is an idiot for threatening Anonymous and ratcheting this situation up. Talk about a pissing match. He has to be crazy if he believes this will stop them.

He needs to stop with the :tantrum: and :lipssealed:

 

[Steely Dan]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ed-not-questioned-as-witness-lawyer-says?lite

Teen in crude video about alleged Ohio rape not involved, not questioned as witness, lawyer says..

(snipped-read more)

Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla has confirmed that the video was shot at a different location from where the incidents occurred, and McNamara said the young man didn't know the alleged victim. Because he wasn't present and was acting on second- or third-hand information, the young man isn't involved in the investigation and hasn't been called as a witness, McNamara said.

Abdalla his office had been flooded with calls from county residents who said they felt threatened after the hackers posted their threat to reveal more personal information about others it alleged were involved. He said he knew who was behind the threat and that he would be dealt with.
"Say what you want to say about me. Do character assassinations like you do and you're going to continue to do," he said. "But when you start doing a hatchet job on innocent children, putting their names out on the computers and the Internet, on Facebook, I'm coming after you. Simple as that."

BBM

He's setting himself up for a Streisand effect.

Streisand effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Foxfire]

I think we have seen this quote from Abdalla before, frankly. I dont think he can back it up, but if he can he is an idiot for threatening Anonymous and ratcheting this situation up. Talk about a pissing match. He has to be crazy if he believes this will stop them.

He needs to stop with the :tantrum: and :lipssealed:

Yep, believe09, ironically the vail of secrecy by Sheriff Abdalla and the Steubenville/Jefferson County, OH 'Just-us' System has been removed by Anonymous, transparency, and the American citizens via the internet/social media, imo.
Gone are the days that the spoonfed info by the local power structure, the good ole boy/girl network, & the MS Media can hide behind the cloak of intimidation, gag orders, and silence...

'Alone we can do so little, together we can do so much'. ... Helen Keller

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ed-not-questioned-as-witness-lawyer-says?lite

Teen in crude video about alleged Ohio rape not involved, not questioned as witness, lawyer says..

(snipped-read more)

Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla has confirmed that the video was shot at a different location from where the incidents occurred, and McNamara said the young man didn't know the alleged victim. Because he wasn't present and was acting on second- or third-hand information, the young man isn't involved in the investigation and hasn't been called as a witness, McNamara said.

Abdalla his office had been flooded with calls from county residents who said they felt threatened after the hackers posted their threat to reveal more personal information about others it alleged were involved. He said he knew who was behind the threat and that he would be dealt with.
"Say what you want to say about me. Do character assassinations like you do and you're going to continue to do," he said. "But when you start doing a hatchet job on innocent children, putting their names out on the computers and the Internet, on Facebook, I'm coming after you. Simple as that."

I am sorry that I am so lousy with links...

and you all may have already seen this...

but you can click on a Steubenville Website from this article created to answer questions regarding this case...

among other items... There is a timeline of events surrounding this case..

FYI...

 

[believe09]

Well, I have to sit back and ask myself if and why Abdalla is still talking. Because his talking at all appears to be against the recommendation of the AG.

I am a huge fan of LE. Huge. However, I am not blinded by it, and something isnt right with this man imo.

I hope MSM starts writing background on how the kids obtained the substances they ingested.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

BBM

He's setting himself up for a Streisand effect.

Streisand effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can't believe I hadn't heard this term before... And I live so close!

But it is so true... That when a "party" attempts to hide information publicly... It often results in a heightened curiosity of that very information... And .. Thus creates the very opposite of the desired effect!

Interesting term.....