GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

[Lois Lane]

Reported this morning by the AP:

The Steubenville Board of Education released a statement Thursday...

The statement says the district is encouraging other students with information to come forward. It also says security measures have been increased in the schools, and education programs expanded to raise further awareness of sexual harassment, bullying, date rape and other issues.

http://www.timesreporter.com/newsnow/x1922389214/Steubenville-schools-reach-out-in-rape-controversy

I'm looking for the full BOE statement, but haven't come across it yet.

Day late and a dollar short?

 

[hollyjokers]

These defense attorneys must have studied under Joel Brodski, "I'll just keep flapping my lips to the press and that will help my client."

No immunity given to witnesses. You would think they would know that since the witnesses were advised of their rights & had their own attorneys present at the just cause hearing.

http://www.news-register.net/page/c...h-Witnesses.html?nav=515#.UO7QS-4u7Pc.twitter

Another myth comes crashing down.

 

[Lois Lane]

The FBI is investigating cyber threats that include death threats against the Jefferson County sheriff's family and an email that apparently shut down the Steubenville police chief's computer.

Abdalla told NEWS9 he did not believe the threat came from the "real Anonymous," referring to legitimate operators within the hacker-activist collective.

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/fbi-investigates-cyber-threats-ohio-rape-case/nTrYL/

 

[hollyjokers]

Reported this morning by the AP:





http://www.timesreporter.com/newsnow/x1922389214/Steubenville-schools-reach-out-in-rape-controversy

I'm looking for the full BOE statement, but haven't come across it yet.

Day late and a dollar short?

This is where the failure in the event occurred. Not SPD, not Jeffco, not the DA. Steubenville High School. The police determined no criminal charges could be brought against those sharing info on social media. My daughter played sports; every year she & my husband or I had to sign an OHSAA Student-Athlete Code of Conduct. Every school in the state w/athletic programs have this, are required to hold meetings each season explaining these rules. I can't remember if it contained anything specific to electronic communications, but the basic rules still should have applied in this case. And no, meting out punishment should not have been fully on Reno. The superintendent & principal threw him under the bus. Not every person sharing & commenting on the rape were affiliated with the football program.

 

[gxm]

http://www.lohud.com/usatoday/article/1818365

Ohio Penal Code:



http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.02

Extensive reporting on witness testimony at the probable cause hearing:

http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=5010

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/judge-finds-probable-cause-steubenville-rape-inves/nScLX/

Very informative links. Thanks for sharing them!

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ok - now that this thread is back. Blog talk radio had a show (Joey Ortega) on Friday 1/4. Abdalla was a guest. Now, while the show was supposed to be about Anonymous and how they are "disrupting" the case and community and all the false allegations they put in that one report - Abdalla did talk about the case.

I was shocked when he said that in addition to the 2 that are charged there was a third student charged with child . He said he confiscated 3 cell phones and while 2 had really nothing on them - the third had 2 still pictures of the victim nude and THAT owner of that phone was charged with child . Now, I have yet to see THAT reported ANYWHERE! But it came right outta Abdalla's mouth.

Here's the link for the archived show:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/behind...ase-and-anonymous-wguest-sheriff-fred-abdalla

Listen for yourself and draw your own conclusions. But it just baffles me that this little "fact" has NOT been reported, talked about or anything else for that matter.

Child is enough for the FBI to get involved. I heard the fed was coming in - right after the Anonymous rally last Saturday - but since, have heard nothing about it.

I sure hope they are - they will get to the bottom of this.



JMHO

 

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Very informative links. Thanks for sharing them!

From the link above....

()..."said he was at Cole's house and was getting ready to leave when he saw the victim naked on her side. He said the victim wasn't moving. Wxxx said Rxxx was beside her and performing a sexual act and Mxxx was smacking his penis off her side...

...Hemmeter said there was clear evidence of fingers being used to penetrate the victim....

Lipps ruled the public interest in the case outweighed the issue of closing the hearing and protecting the privacy of the juveniles charged. He said the court has to protect the dignity of the court and that doesn't happen by holding secretive hearings."

http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=5010

 

[Lois Lane]

Local Steubenville newspaper reporting on statement from Steubenville City Schools:

STEUBENVILLE - Steubenville City Schools Superintendent Mike McVey said this morning the school district followed proper protocol when officials learned of an alleged rape last August that may have involved Steubenville High School students.

The superintendent was conducting individual interviews with individual news media outlets today.

"We also plan to expand our curriculum in our schools dealing with the events now under investigation. We are also planning to expand counseling for our students. And we will continue to provide more information and more services," McVey said.

More at the link:

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag...e-to-alleged-rape-investigation.html?nav=5010

 

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Wise Old Owl....

"Gibbs testified she did recover two naked pictures of the victim that were part of text messages sent on Mxxxs' cell phone."
October 13, 2012

http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=5010

I believe another witness or two testified they took/saw/or received pics.

Cxxx said he took a picture of the incident in case the victim didn't know what was happening. He said he later deleted the picture from his cell phone.

Cxxx testified Mxxx sent him a naked picture of the victim the next day.

As Joey Ortega would saying, this is 'nothing new' here :whoosh: (although child charges might be).
I'm wondering if the Sheriff was wrong and the person being charged is not a third person but one of the two?

 

[Lois Lane]

FBI probes threats in rape case

McCafferty said he was checking work e-mail at his office Wednesday when he opened a message and his computer was disabled.

McCafferty said the e-mail was one in a series he's received from someone claiming to be a hacker angry at others who have been critical of law enforcement's handling of the case. McCafferty said the e-mailer had been sending directions in attachments for how to get back at the group.

Wednesday afternoon, Abdalla said he was advised of a Facebook threat by an anonymous poster that named his family. The post also included death threats against other law enforcement officials and Steubenville individuals.

The state Homeland Security division has been monitoring social media for any threats to the schools.

Earlier this week the U.S. Justice Department said it was monitoring cyber threats in Steubenville and will help state and local investigators if it appears federal laws have been broken.

More at the link:

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag...FBI-probes-threats-in-rape-case.html?nav=5010

 

[Steely Dan]

That is NOT home arrest. Why did they ask if he could be in their care if they weren't willing to stay at home?

And, WTH?

"Of more than 60 witnesses to the alleged events of August 11 -12 interviewed only three have testified."

But yet, they are already letting one of only two people arrested travel out of state? I hope these 60 witnesses were still thoroughly interviewed and recorded a long time ago?

BBM

That's the power of a local football team. They scare people by threatening to beat them up or harm their families. The fans get outraged because "SHE" is ruining the team's season. If the family of the girl had been openly threatened by anyone it appears, in this case, that the Sheriff wouldn't have cared. JMO

I am back pedaling some, but I am trying to get a few things straight in my mind-

Atlantic Wire Article on CK

This article was written 1/7/2013 and was updated with a statement from Jane Hanlin. The title of the article indicates that CK was a host of one of the parties the night the victim was raped.

Here is a snip from the original article:


That is not what the title indicates-the title says Steubenville Rape Case's Party Host...

Jane Hanlin's statement:


It appears, according to the article, that KSU is reviewing his scholarship.

There is a pretty big disconnect here from the apparent some what firm belief that CK was involved in this case, and Jane Hanlin's assertions that he wasnt anywhere near the situation.

But she doesnt state firmly that there wasnt a party at her home that night.

Which brings me back to my groundhog day question-where were the parents, who gave the kids alcohol and at what homes were the parties?

Is there any proof that CK had any involvement in this?

Ok - now that this thread is back. Blog talk radio had a show (Joey Ortega) on Friday 1/4. Abdalla was a guest. Now, while the show was supposed to be about Anonymous and how they are "disrupting" the case and community and all the false allegations they put in that one report - Abdalla did talk about the case.

I was shocked when he said that in addition to the 2 that are charged there was a third student charged with child . He said he confiscated 3 cell phones and while 2 had really nothing on them - the third had 2 still pictures of the victim nude and THAT owner of that phone was charged with child . Now, I have yet to see THAT reported ANYWHERE! But it came right outta Abdalla's mouth.

Here's the link for the archived show:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/behind...ase-and-anonymous-wguest-sheriff-fred-abdalla

Listen for yourself and draw your own conclusions. But it just baffles me that this little "fact" has NOT been reported, talked about or anything else for that matter.

Child is enough for the FBI to get involved. I heard the fed was coming in - right after the Anonymous rally last Saturday - but since, have heard nothing about it.

I sure hope they are - they will get to the bottom of this.



JMHO

BBM

I'm shocked that there weren't more cell phones subpoenaed. I'm sure a lot more pictures could be found if they did a little forensic research on them. Taking the phones and looking for deleted pictures. I'm sure there would be a lot of kids being charged with child and/or participating in this whole thing. If they charge anyone else they should be charged as adults. I hope the kid with pictures has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life and the caption says "Possession of Child ."

 

[Lois Lane]

Route: Ohio Revised Code » Title [29] XXIX CRIMES - PROCEDURE » Chapter 2907: SEX OFFENSES

2907.323 Illegal use of minor in nudity-oriented material or performance.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.323

STEUBENVILLE - A juvenile judge Friday at the Jefferson County Justice Center ruled there was probable cause for rape charges to continue against two Steubenville High School students and athletes.

Visiting Judge Tom Lipps did dismiss kidnapping charges against [TM and MR]. The judge also ruled a charge against [TM] of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material will continue.

http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=5010

 

[Steely Dan]

FBI probes threats in rape case







More at the link:

http://www.heraldstaronline.com/pag...FBI-probes-threats-in-rape-case.html?nav=5010

I'm disgusted by idiots who think this is ok to do. All they are doing is taking time away from the real investigation and making the detractors look sick. They should keep the spotlight on the investigation. JMO

 

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http://hsconnect.com/page/content.detail/id/578936/Teen-rape-case-moves-forward.html?nav=5010

"Visiting Judge Tom Lipps did dismiss kidnapping charges against [TM and MR]. The judge also ruled a charge against [TM] of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material will continue."

Thank you! I'm thinking this is the "child " charge. Too bad some of the Sheriff's comments weren't fact checked??? IDK. I think they were too worried about debasing anonymous instead of looking for the facts.

 

[time]

I'm disgusted by idiots who think this is ok to do. All they are doing is taking time away from the real investigation and making the detractors look sick. They should keep the spotlight on the investigation. JMO

I don't have the links right now and maybe I couldn't post it anyway, but I really wonder if all this is to make the anonymous look bad. At any rate, I know they have responded to several issues like this and said they are not involved. Seems Abdalla doesn't think they are either per Lois Lane's link above

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/fbi-investigates-cyber-threats-ohio-rape-case/nTrYL/

However, he thinks it is an offshoot... but it could very well be the other Security guy/people who have been actively making twitter threats and such to anon

 

[Wise Old Owl]

"Visiting Judge Tom Lipps did dismiss kidnapping charges against [TM and MR]. The judge also ruled a charge against [TM] of illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material will continue."

Thank you! I'm thinking this is the "child " charge. Too bad some of the Sheriff's comments weren't fact checked??? IDK. I think they were too worried about debasing anonymous instead of looking for the facts.

Thank you for the above. If you listen to that radio interview Abdalla did clearly state that is was a different, third party charged with the child . So, IDK. As far as the three confiscated phones - I did see a link somewhere from the court hearing that something like 17 phones had been confiscated (or reviewed) so, again, IDK.

It is definitely worth the time to listen to that radio interview. Abdalla talked about the "jurisdiction" questions. He said that the victim's parents originally went to Steubenville PD - so they opened the complaint and started the investigation. SPD then found that the "crime" was actually committed outside the city limits - which then put it in Abdalla's jurisdiction. BUT, (per Abdalla) by the time SPD called Abdalla in, they (SPD) had "already wrapped the case up" - Abdalla's words - so he didn't see the need to really do anything. Abdalla said that SPD have interviewed 59 (or 69) witnesses and he didn't want to "take the time" to re-interview all those people. Abdalla said a couple of times in that interview that the "case was already wrapped up". That, alone, floored me. Then, on the other hand (you wear a glove :crazy this is still an on-going investigation - so IDK. Even though it's an on-going investigation - Abdalla said that no one else is going to be charged. :waitasec:

Again, that interview is really worth the listen because it is Abdalla himself talking. He also addressed some of those allegations that Anonymous put in that report.

What gets me the most with Abdalla is that he said he didn't see that 12 minute video until "3 days ago" - yet he also says that SPD had that video back in August. So, again, when SPD called in Abdalla, I guess he didn't even bother to review ANYTHING that SPD had in the investigative file. Or, was he "briefed" by SPD and "agreed" that the "case was already wrapped up" and there was nothing to see here - just move along?



JMHO


ETA: About the "kidnapping" charges. That is a federal offense. Abdalla was asked about that and completely skirted the issue. He said that was decided in the court (to drop those charges) and that for it to be kidnapping that someone had to have crossed state lines. (Not true).

What I'm trying to find out is how the victim got home. She lives in West Virginia. That crosses state lines - doesn't it? Anonymous updated their report to say that in the "early morning hours" someone transported the victim home and dumped her on her front lawn and that her parents found her there at dawn. So, if that is the case - then I do believe the kidnapping charges should be re-instated - don't you? I haven't read or heard from any "authority" about how the victim got home - so IDK.

Also, when her parents went to SPD to file the complaint, they took a zip drive with them with ALL the social media collected on it (and I'm quite sure there is a whole bunch more that the public was never privy to). I'm really glad they did it - because it preserves what was "out there" in the day or two right after and where it came from.


JMHO

 

[Steely Dan]

I don't have the link right now and maybe I couldn't post it anyway, but I really wonder if all this is to make the anonymous look bad. At any rate, I know they have responded to several issues like this and said they are not involved.

I agree, but I'm sure the FBI will be able to figure out who sent it.

Thank you for the above. If you listen to that radio interview Abdalla did clearly state that is was a different, third party charged with the child . So, IDK. As far as the three confiscated phones - I did see a link somewhere from the court hearing that something like 17 phones had been confiscated (or reviewed) so, again, IDK.

It is definitely worth the time to listen to that radio interview. Abdalla talked about the "jurisdiction" questions. He said that the victim's parents originally went to Steubenville PD - so they opened the complaint and started the investigation. SPD then found that the "crime" was actually committed outside the city limits - which then put it in Abdalla's jurisdiction. BUT, (per Abdalla) by the time SPD called Abdalla in, they (SPD) had "already wrapped the case up" - Abdalla's words - so he didn't see the need to really do anything. Abdalla said that SPD have interviewed 59 (or 69) witnesses and he didn't want to "take the time" to re-interview all those people. Abdalla said a couple of times in that interview that the "case was already wrapped up". That, alone, floored me. Then, on the other hand (you wear a glove :crazy this is still an on-going investigation - so IDK. Even though it's an on-going investigation - Abdalla said that no one else is going to be charged. :waitasec:

Again, that interview is really worth the listen because it is Abdalla himself talking. He also addressed some of those allegations that Anonymous put in that report.

What gets me the most with Abdalla is that he said he didn't see that 12 minute video until "3 days ago" - yet he also says that SPD had that video back in August. So, again, when SPD called in Abdalla, I guess he didn't even bother to review ANYTHING that SPD had in the investigative file. Or, was he "briefed" by SPD and "agreed" that the "case was already wrapped up" and there was nothing to see here - just move along?



JMHO

BBM

Wow! Just Wow!

 

[believe09]

To answer Steely Dan's question regarding CK-

I dont know what LE has that may or may not involve him. I referenced the title of the article vs the content. I referenced Ms Hanlin's statement because of what it didnt say as much as for what it did say.

KSU feels strongly enough to make it clear they are reviewing a scholarship offer that is attributed to CK.

I would say his "lack" of participation is not abundantly clear to anyone at this time except perhaps his mother.

I ,specifically, would like to know if there was a party of underage drinkers at Ms Hanlin's house on those days or any other day.

 

[believe09]

Referencing Sheriff Abdalla-I will be far more interested to see if he continues to make statements to the media...sigh. He is one of the reasons, imo, that people are not confident in the transparency or the accuracy of the investigation.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Believe - this whole thing stinks from the head down. I don't have any concrete links so this is JMHO - but

I believe that the "videographer" of that 12 minute viedo is CK. And, that the video was taken in in the basement of the Hanlin house.

I also think (my opinion only) that Hanlin is in severe cover mode. That there were many parties that took place there.

Abdalla was asked about the one house (of the assistant or volunteer coach) and he said that there were no adults home so, therefore, no adults could be charged. Huh? :waitasec:

I'm also very curious about CS's involvement in all this (and his gf). He was talked about alot in the beginning but now everything has shifted away from him. I do believe he was the one that filed that lawsuit but then had to dismiss it and even posted an apology about it.


This is all why I really want the FBI in there to re-investigate everything. Adults and home owners included.


JMHO