GUILTY OH - Steubenville Rape Case, 11 Aug 2012 #1

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I wonder if it is more likely to have happened in the infamous "April" incident, if that did happen. The fact that these parents had a flash drive of seemingly incriminating statements makes it hard to believe the prosecutor would discourage pressing charges. Just thinking out loud.
 
Well, given that Jane Hanlin's son is friends with the accused, and was, at the very least, involved in conversations about the assault on twitter, I think there are legitimate questions about when Hanlin recused herself and what involvement she had with the case prior to doing so.

Maybe one of the people behind the Local Leaks site had a problem with her. Maybe that's just a smokescreen. I don't know. But I don't think it's relevant to these questions either way, so it seems like just another distraction from the case. If she acted appropriately, she should be able to demonstrate that. If not, she should be held accountable.
 
I just wasted half an hour of my life on the Stranahan blog listening to his podcast. It is supposed to be an overview of the Steubenville rape case story and how "the media and Anonymous have gotten it totally wrong"

http://stranahaninexile.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/podcast-steubenville-101/

In case anyone wants to save themselves the time:

It is basically 30 minutes of Stranahan repeating the claims in the media and saying "not true." "simply not true." "Didn't happen." "Lies."

No evidence, no logic to counter the allegations. Just "not true."

Stranahan believes the accusations of gang rape are "a myth" and that allegations the case was mishandled are part of a vast "conspiracy theory". He does believe that the girl was raped by two guys, and that others stood around and took photos and videos. But that crime, he says is "not heinous" and is not a newsworthy story.

He also talks quite a bit about Anonymous, who he seems to think consists of three people: A criminal, a fugitive and a teenager, who have personal vendettas against him and the authorities in this case, and wear masks from a Natalie Portman movie. lol.

He concludes with this little nugget of wisdom about media -- on why "the left" is (mis)reporting this story:


Quote:
The narrative that they have here is about football culture and rape culture. And really, football culture substitutes for America. What they're attacking is AMERICA. You know?


:rolleyes:

My opinion only!


BBM - Wow, what nutty thing to say.
 
Read the article on Doyon, but guess I'm missing something re: Jay Leiderman. No "understand" moment for me but I did find an interview with him that is more informative, if anyone cares. Seems like kind of an odd duck, IMO. Apparently he cut his legal teeth in SanFrancisco, so maybe that is a clue to his interests?

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/10/hacktivists-advocate-meet-the-lawyer-who-defends-anonymous/263202/

Not an advocate of hackers here. My personal feelings about Anonymous as a group or individually is that, like anyone, when they break the law they deserve to be prosecuted. Leiderman is a defense attorney, so I'm not shocked he represents people charged with crimes. As to the threats, from either side, they are inappropriate and possibly criminal if the threats go beyond exposing a bias or public records that support that. Stranahan was asking for confrontation and attention, and he got it apparently. He's no babe in the woods dealing with these people, so as much as I disagree with what either of them do, I'm guessing he's pleased with himself. I'm bored with all of them, basically. I am interested in seeing justice brought in this case, but personally couldn't care less about these peripherals’ pissing matches.
 
Read the article on Doyon, but guess I'm missing something re: Jay Leiderman. No "understand" moment for me but I did find an interview with him that is more informative, if anyone cares. Seems like kind of an odd duck, IMO. Apparently he cut his legal teeth in SanFrancisco, so maybe that is a clue to his interests?

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/10/hacktivists-advocate-meet-the-lawyer-who-defends-anonymous/263202/

Not an advocate of hackers here. My personal feelings about Anonymous as a group or individually is that, like anyone, when they break the law they deserve to be prosecuted. Leiderman is a defense attorney, so I'm not shocked he represents people charged with crimes. As to the threats, from either side, they are inappropriate and possibly criminal if the threats go beyond exposing a bias or public records that support that. Stranahan was asking for confrontation and attention, and he got it apparently. He's no babe in the woods dealing with these people, so as much as I disagree with what either of them do, I'm guessing he's pleased with himself. I'm bored with all of them, basically. I am interested in seeing justice brought in this case, but personally couldn't care less about these peripherals’ pissing matches.
RE: Jay Leiderman
Sometime earlier this month, there was a link posted on this thread to an Atlantic article that has several mentions of and quotes by Jay Leiderman, a California attorney representing and/or behind LocalLeaks.

If you missed it and would like to read the article it can be found here:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/
 
RE: Jay Leiderman
Sometime earlier this month, there was a link posted on this thread to an Atlantic article that has several mentions of and quotes by Jay Leiderman, a California attorney representing and/or behind LocalLeaks.

If you missed it and would like to read the article it can be found here:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/local-leaks-steubenville-files/60720/
No I read it. Just not personally interested in him, or Local Leaks for that matter, but just didn't catch what brought about the "I understand" comment and thought I was missing something. I appreciated the video being published, since some were accusing those who had seen it as lying about it, but beyond that don't consider them as being relevant to this case.
 
I think it’s fairly common for a prosecutor to make sure the victim of rape and her family understand what they’re facing. But Hanlin, with her associations, should have recused herself and never even met with them if she did – even the appearance of impropriety should have been enough for that. But add her history of non-prosecution of Big Red players, and even testifying as a character witness for another brings her involvement to a whole different level, IMO. Certainly warrants questions at this point, and that’s the very reason she shouldn’t have been involved from the very minute they filed their report.

I recently read another forum where locals have been discussing this case from as early as the 20th. Until remembering this is a small town, I was surprised how much information was known locally before it was reported. There were a few that thought it necessary to “defend Big Red” and saw other’s indignation at the crime as only a football rivalry, but quite a few locals were disgusted at how it was being handled. They knew the names of those involved very early on, some personally knew the kids or the parents, many thought more than the two should be charged but were wary about it. There was talk of the history of protection of Big Red players in the town, and posts about a coach making the kids wipe their phones in this case. They did mention the April assault, so that was evidently known around town too, and what group was involved. According to some, there were two empty apartments that were available to Big Red players and were thought to be where that assault occurred. Yes, a lot of rumors and probably a lot of the old telephone game, but I came away with the impression that what was eventually suspected by outsiders as to the handling of the case was not really a surprise to locals - although they were pretty shocked at seeing the actual captures and videos when they were published. A couple, apparently known and respected Big Red alumni who were originally pretty defensive of the players then became outraged at the reality and stated they would no longer support the team until the school and the coaches did something. They waited to see who was benched in early season and later talked about how even though the school said three had been banned from extra curricular activities, that only lasted a very short time…like one event. Two continued to wrestle to the end of the season, and one received an award. And yes, they were embarrassed by Jill on Dr. Phil. Overall more support for the victim, and fewer satisfied with how it is being handled than I expected to see. IMO, for us to get a clearer picture of the town, maybe more of these people need to be heard and fewer Jill’s. But then, granted, I don’t have to live there after this is all over.
 
I'm curious why linking has been permitted to Lee Stranahan's blog(s?), since it is not a Main Stream Media source.

I have not found Stranahan's writing on this case to be exceptionally credible and unbiased. The first article of his "The Steubenville Rape Case: Everything You Know is Wrong" that caught my attention via Twitter had a very misleading headline based on Stranahan's assumption that readers are only familiar with a "narrative" which he chooses to selectively highlight and then perportedly debunk. I have also never seen a journalist who choose to selectively post public court documents on a personal blog, rather than release the whole document unedited (redacted as necessary) on a third-party site like Scribd.

I am deeply concerned with Strahahan's and other's contention that if specific acts were not part of testimony in the probable cause hearing then they absolutely did not happen and anyone who alleges they did (specifically but not limited to sodomy) is perpetuating or buying in to a false conspiracy to make this case about a liberal anti-America agenda, an anti-football/sports agenda, a naive and false belief in "rape-culture" agenda, etc.

Legal jurisdictions vary in how crimes are charged. In some states, no matter how many times a victim is repeatedly raped, even if it is over days/months/years or in different locations, there is only one count charged per victim, and so to simplify, evidence related to only one charge is what is likely to be presented at trial. Typically if prosecutors do not believe they have the evidence to prove a crime, charges will not be brought. Unlike crimes like battery (where there is physical evidence) and theft (where possession of stolen property can be clearly proven), sexual assault often does not meet the evidence standards.

The prosecutor and police have repeatedly (and continue to) made public statements directly in mainstream media that there are witnesses with information about the alleged crimes against Jane Doe and the events that transpired on August 11/12 2012 that have not come forward. Digital evidence has disappeared. But clearly, as in the case of the uncharged witnesses who admitted to taking and later deleting photographs and videos of Jane Doe while she was at least partially nude and/or being assaulted, just because a crime isn't charged, doesn't mean it didn't happen. MN's comments on Twitter and his video regarding "wang in the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬" are not directly related to the very specific charges of rape against TM and MR, but that does not mean they aren't related to the assaults against Jane Doe potentially happening on the evening of August 11 and early morning of August 12.

I'm not advocating that the information on Local Leaks is accurate or should even be referred to. Additionally, while the December 16, 2012 New York Times article brings to light many of the facts of the case, it aslo contains some bias, such as the phrase, "football-crazy county." I'm just so very frustrated by those who wish to control this story by constricting the sphere of potential accuracy to the statements made by 5 youths in a hearing at which they all either admitted to or were alleged to have committed wrong doing, faced some negative consequences for their actions, and could likely be motivated to minimize the assault in order to avoid further punishment or protect other witnesses/participants.
 
If you remember when she did recuse herself, it was a few days before the OAG's office approved the recusal & assigned special prosecutors to the case. Had she done that immediately, that is days going by w/o search warrants & coordinating with SPD. How much more CYA would have gone on in 72 hours? I'm no legal expert, but I feel it was handled appropriately with her filing the most serious charges against the two before recusing herself.
 
I'm just so very frustrated by those who wish to control this story by constricting the sphere of potential accuracy to the statements made by 5 youths in a hearing at which they all either admitted to or were alleged to have committed wrong doing, faced some negative consequences for their actions, and could likely be motivated to minimize the assault in order to avoid further punishment or protect other witnesses/participants.

I agree with your entire post, but am snipping to this part for space.

It boggles my mind how the snippets of testimony from friends of the accused, who participated in the assault/ humiliation of the victim and who, by their own accounts are (reluctantly) testifying to avoid prosecution,
are being referenced as though they are the "facts" of this case.

These snippets have obviously been chosen to defend the boys against what Stranahan calls "the accuser", but even then he has to cherry pick a few words and ignore the contradictions in these accounts and the questions they raise. If this is the best framing he can do with the original document, it really makes me wonder what has been cut out. This kind of selective editing and spin is not the best approach to take if one is trying to claim that others have misrepresented the facts.
 
If you remember when she did recuse herself, it was a few days before the OAG's office approved the recusal & assigned special prosecutors to the case. Had she done that immediately, that is days going by w/o search warrants & coordinating with SPD. How much more CYA would have gone on in 72 hours? I'm no legal expert, but I feel it was handled appropriately with her filing the most serious charges against the two before recusing herself.
She was not the only attorney working for Jefferson County, and it doesn't take a prosecutor to handle search warrants.
 
'Don't call Ohio rape case girl a VICTIM': Outrage as lawyers for football stars 'who attacked 16-year-old girl' urge judge to call her 'the accuser'
By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 12:14 EST, 22 January 2013 | UPDATED: 15:58 EST, 22 January 2013



Speaking to MailOnline Fred Abdalla Jr, Chief Probation Officer at Jefferson County Juvenile Court said: ‘Ma’lik Richmond’s attorney asked the judge if Ma’lik could have permission to travel with the Agresta family between the dates of December 31 through January 5.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-Lawyers-object-calling-girl-16-victim.html





Ummmm............................could it be? Ya think? Nah.....................

Unbelievable.




JMHO
 
Ok HJ, let's say she was drunk. What difference does it make?

Hey SteelyD, I vote for "heavily under the influence to the point of unconsciousness. I'm also one who suspects that she may have been drugged on top of her drinking. JMO.
 
'Don't call Ohio rape case girl a VICTIM': Outrage as lawyers for football stars 'who attacked 16-year-old girl' urge judge to call her 'the accuser'
By Daily Mail Reporter
PUBLISHED: 12:14 EST, 22 January 2013 | UPDATED: 15:58 EST,Lawyers-object-calling-girl-16-victim.

:thud: How can these people live with themselves? I just can't believe how many people have this warped sense of right/wrong. How did it get so bad in this community? Has this been happening for years with the football team? And if so, is this why so many people stand by and look the other way? Because school, government, community leaders vouch for the players no matter what? This is just wrong and very sick.
 
Judge won't split Ohio teens' rape trial, lawyer says:
http://news.msn.com/us/judge-wont-split-ohio-teens-rape-trial-lawyer-says
The attorney for one of two Ohio high school football players charged with raping a 16-year-old girl last summer says a judge has declined a request to give the defendants separate trials.
Attorney Walter Madison confirmed in an email Tuesday that the visiting judge handling the case in juvenile court in Steubenville had denied the request.


Judge in Steubenville rape case won't release motions filed:
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/01/judge_in_steubenville_rape_cas_1.html
Officials at the Jefferson County Juvenile Court said Tuesday they would no longer release motions filed in the case of two 16-year-old student athletes charged with raping a Weirton, W. Va teen.

Baker & Hostetler Attorney David Marburger, who is an expert in media law and has represented various Ohio media outlets, said that court is required to release any portion of its docket that seeks to deny the public's access to a court proceeding or information about it.
 
The online posting of the unredacted probable cause document today was an unconscionable, careless and insenstive act. I won't link to any sources and hope that the document has already been withdrawn.

This isn't some case of pseudojournalistic-one-upmanship.

This is a girl's life, and for her legal benefit alone, there is no need to rush to post the facts of the case without protecting the identity of all minors named. This does not help her court case in any way. I'm profoundly disappointed in the person(s) responsible for publishing that information online.
 
I'm confused about how what you are citing as a fact, that Jane Doe was drunk, has been established as a fact. Is there any evidence aside from witness testimony that she was drunk? It seems like given an evidence-based standard, there are very few facts in this case, aside from Twitter comments and youTube video. I'm unaware that Jane Doe has made any legal statements admitting to being drunk. Please correct me if I have missed them.

It seems like it is a fact that at least one witness testified at the probable cause hearing that Jane Doe was staggering and appeared intoxicated, but I don't see how that can be extrapolated to become a fact that she was drunk.

I apologize in advance if I am really missing the boat on this one.


I think the probable cause document makes it clear that this young woman was either beyond drunk or was drugged or both, not just "staggering and appeared intoxicated". It appears she was throwing up on and off for hours until she was eventually not even moving no matter what was said or done.
 
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