Match! OH - Strongsville, WhtFem UP15394, 15-25, in Rocky River, Feb'75 - Linda Pagano

[ice190]

Thank you for the photos of the river and the railroad trestle. The photos give a general idea of what the area around the crime scene looks like.

About the area where you took the photos at the park, were there any bike or walking trails near the crime scene?

I'm guessing that when the boys found the body, they walked along the river bank that was away from a trail in the park.

In the reports it mentions the boys were walking along a bridal trail. There is a bridal trail on the east side. East from the river it goes: bridal trail, about 30ft grass, paved walking trail, Valley Pkwy road. The other side appeared to be just woods. I must have been walking where the boys were, on the bridal trail, because rangers would have needed a boat to get to the banks. There was a 6ft or so drop to the river on both sides, and I'm betting the tide was higher than that day. Trail is right next to the river at the bend.

 

[ice190]

For what it's worth, I'm attempting to recreate her skull for facial reconstruction if possible by using 3D modeling software (Blender) and multiple angles of the photos I was given. It'll be difficult putting together the angles together, but the software has a ton of features that I think if I get it right, the shading will be the same on the recreation and photos with the lighting sources I can use in the program. Just me thinking. Especially if it's a long process to get her out for DNA, as what's likely.

 

[CarlK90245]

For what it's worth, I'm attempting to recreate her skull for facial reconstruction if possible by using 3D modeling software (Blender) and multiple angles of the photos I was given. It'll be difficult putting together the angles together, but the software has a ton of features that I think if I get it right, the shading will be the same on the recreation and photos with the lighting sources I can use in the program. Just me thinking. Especially if it's a long process to get her out for DNA, as what's likely.

Having seen the photos, I can't see how anyone, or any 3D rendering software could provide an accurate depiction of the width of the skull, given the angles available. There is one pretty good (nearly) side-view, but no good forward views that enable me to see the shape and width of her head, or the spacing of the eyes.

And the absence of a mandible makes it even more difficult.

One thing I can see from the way her nasal bone protrudes is that she probably had a very prominently projecting and somewhat narrow nose with a dorsal lump.

 

[ice190]

Having seen the photos, I can't see how anyone, or any 3D rendering software could provide an accurate depiction of the width of the skull, given the angles available. There is one pretty good (nearly) side-view, but no good forward views that enable me to see the shape and width of her head, or the spacing of the eyes.

And the absence of a mandible makes it even more difficult.

One thing I can see from the way her nasal bone protrudes is that she probably had a very prominently projecting and somewhat narrow nose with a dorsal lump.

Faith in oneself, hope, and luck! Wish a shot, if not then I made a 3D skull. Enough anatomy knowledge helps so I have that going for me. I have ideas, this software is so crazy.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Good luck

 

[Magnum P.E.]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1948

Linda Peugeot was abducted with her young daughter Lori in September 1969 in Lavale, Md. by Stanley Hoss. She is a good physical match, and Hoss ranged as far as the Midwest in her car before he was apprehended. Wonder if the GSW angle would be consistent with being shot in the trunk of a car?
Unfortunately she has no dentals or DNA available.

 

[CarlK90245]

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1948

Linda Peugeot was abducted with her young daughter Lori in September 1969 in Lavale, Md. by Stanley Hoss. She is a good physical match, and Hoss ranged as far as the Midwest in her car before he was apprehended. Wonder if the GSW angle would be consistent with being shot in the trunk of a car?
Unfortunately she has no dentals or DNA available.

The GSW was directly through the left temple. The hole is oblong with beveling on the frontal aspect of the hole, so the gunshot probably came from slightly in front of her, but primarily from her left side.

That would seem to suggest that the perp was right handed.

 

[Nikon]

Ice, any progress?

 

[ice190]

Ice, any progress?

Negative. I haven't had time to eat let alone do anything besides studying which I try to fit in. I've worked every day through the summer and have been in class and clinicals since.

I haven't heard from Don. I did call the ME a week or two ago to see if any work was being done. They said they had no clue, but I didn't have their case number on hand either.

I called because I heard rumors about the county taking fresh looks at unidentified people.

Don't you think for one fraction of a second that this girl isn't on my mind every day. I feel as though I owe more to her...

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[alllads]

Just bumping, have just come across this thread. It's worrying to think how many of these sort of unidentified cases there are out there!

 

[CarlK90245]

Incidentally, I just spoke with the Cuyahoga MedEx office about this case yesterday. They had contacted me regarding the 1981 Euclid (Bosco Tech) John Doe, and while I had her on the phone, I asked about this case.

She couldn't find anything in her records about this Jane Doe, and was totally unaware of her existence. I sent her the link to the casefile that ice190 obtained, and the PM photos. Hopefully she can find additional info and get her into NamUs, now that she is aware of this case.

 

[Alleykins]

Carl, have you heard anything back about the Carlene Brown case? When I read your post a while back about sending her dental records to the case manager, I was jumping up and down, cheering. It's so sad to see so many cases with no identifiers, it makes me happy when someone finally gets some. I bet if Janet could have come through the phone and kissed you for finding her dental records, she would have! That was so cool. It also makes me wonder how many other gems are in some of these older case files that were sent to investigators for possible rule outs.
I wish all investigators were as responsive and helpful as the folks handling this UID have been. Sad, though, that it's been 7 months since anyone's updated anything here. Was hoping to see Ice's reconstruction.

 

[CarlK90245]

Was hoping to see Ice's reconstruction.

A recon would be pretty difficult, given that there was no mandible, and the only photos available show the skull at almost a complete side-view. I can see from the photos, a prominent and protruding nasal bone indicating that she probably had a large hooking nose. But from what I have, I wouldn't want to attempt a recon for this one.

 

[CarlK90245]

Incidentally, I just spoke with the Cuyahoga MedEx office about this case yesterday. They had contacted me regarding the 1981 Euclid (Bosco Tech) John Doe, and while I had her on the phone, I asked about this case.

She couldn't find anything in her records about this Jane Doe, and was totally unaware of her existence. I sent her the link to the casefile that ice190 obtained, and the PM photos. Hopefully she can find additional info and get her into NamUs, now that she is aware of this case.

Anj Fisher from the Cuyahoga County MedEx office looked in her system and discovered that she was not included with their other UID cases because the word "Unidentified" was misspelled. But they have all the info on this case, and she is going to send what she has to the NamUs and get a casefile set up for this case.

 

[Alleykins]

Near my home town today they are digging up someone's yard looking for a woman who went missing in 1980. There's no mention of her on our state's missing person site, in NamUs or anywhere. She has a case file because the detective who worked the case back then, who is now retired, was on hand. I don't know why she isn't listed anywhere. Very odd how that happens.

 

[ice190]

Anj Fisher from the Cuyahoga County MedEx office looked in her system and discovered was not included with their other UID cases because the word "Unidentified" was misspelled. But they have all the info on this case, and she is going to send what she has to the NamUs and get a casefile set up for this case.

Carl you are incredible! I feel like I've let this case down because I was unable to get anywhere speaking with the ME etc.
Let's not forget this girl was found only because she was listed in a cemetery index as unidentified from Strongsville.


I'm at work. I'll read onto this more later

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[CarlK90245]

A recon would be pretty difficult, given that there was no mandible, and the only photos available show the skull at almost a complete side-view. I can see from the photos, a prominent and protruding nasal bone indicating that she probably had a large hooking nose. But from what I have, I wouldn't want to attempt a recon for this one.

I went ahead and gave it a try. Since there was no mandible, the jawline is entirely a guess. And I have nothing on her hairstyle, so that is a guess too. But I probably have her face shape pretty close from the mouth up.

 

[Alleykins]

Actually, I think that's pretty darned good. I was looking for matches based on the nose and age and found a few. The problem is when the photo of the MP is face on, it's difficult for me to tell the shape of the nose. Like, with BG, her nose doesn't look that big until you see the profile view.

 

[Alleykins]

Charlotte Brown went missing from Cleveland, OH in 1973. She has a big nose but I can't tell if it were hooked. She was 29 when she disappeared, so she's a little outside the range. Strangely, her husband's first wife, Darcy Brown, disappeared from Lakewood OH in 1964 and she also had a pretty big nose, too. If it weren't for her children witnessing her getting stabbed and the estimated time of death being off, I'd think Darcy might be a possibility for this JD, too.
Charlotte: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brown_charlotte.html (this will link to Darcy's Charley page) and NamUs for Charlotte: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7540/8

Charlotte(l) Darcy (r)

 

[CarlK90245]

Yes, I was looking at her yesterday. I think the age estimate is probably reasonably accurate, as she still had an unerupted wisdom tooth.

Charlotte Brown went missing from Cleveland, OH in 1973. She has a big nose but I can't tell if it were hooked. She was 29 when she disappeared, so she's a little outside the range. Strangely, her husband's first wife, Darcy Brown, disappeared from Lakewood OH in 1964 and she also had a pretty big nose, too. If it weren't for her children witnessing her getting stabbed and the estimated time of death being off, I'd think Darcy might be a possibility for this JD, too.
Charlotte: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brown_charlotte.html (this will link to Darcy's Charley page) and NamUs for Charlotte: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7540/8

Charlotte(l) Darcy (r)