Identified! OH - Troy, Miami Co., 'Buckskin Girl' WhtFem 133UFOH, 15-25, Apr'81 - Marcia King

[Roselvr]

I don't remember there being thongs in the 80s, either, but I was a young teen still wearing granny panties at the time. I do recall there being string bikinis and g-strings (for strippers).

I was 16 when BG was found. I used to date a biker who's sister was a bartender in a go-go bar. Someone used to custom make outfits.

I must have missed something. @Nerosleuth, is there a new article that says he was seen at a bar?

Sounds like she may have been old enough to be in a bar but no one knew her name or where she came from, so the tip went nowhere

Slain Jane Doe's curious case in Ohio still puzzles after 35 years - By Chris Togneri | Saturday, June 4, 2016, 9:00 p.m.

There were plenty of tips in 1981, said Hickey, who hadn't been born yet, but “none panned out.”
“Some locals said they saw her at a bar, but those leads didn't go anywhere.”

New article says tips were sent in shotly after the articles about her were published in newspapers. They said that she may have been at a bar. But it didn't lead anywhere. If it was true she might have been using a fake ID and got kicked out because of that

As far as I can tell, she wasn't wearing eyeshadow. You can see her freckled complexion, so probably no foundation, concealer, or powder. It's not in color so I can't tell if she's wearing lipstick/blush. I think she might have been wearing a bit of eyeliner and mascara. Her eyelashes looked long, but maybe she was one of the lucky few with long pretty eyelashes. It looks like she might have some thinly applied eyeliner, probably not from pencil. Did they have liquid eyeliner in 1981?

She tweezed her eyebrows but she's not wearing any makeup. NamUs link I have both PM pics open, if anything, her left eyelash looks wet in this pic, but am not seeing any reason to believe she wore makeup. I rarely did either.

 

[Alleykins]

I wonder if the tipsters who saw her in a bar stated whether or not she was alone.

 

[BayouGypsy]

And they would suddenly remember seeing her after all this time?

 

[Roselvr]

And they would suddenly remember seeing her after all this time?

No, that tip was from when she was first found.

Sounds like she may have been old enough to be in a bar but no one knew her name or where she came from, so the tip went nowhere

Slain Jane Doe's curious case in Ohio still puzzles after 35 years - By Chris Togneri | Saturday, June 4, 2016, 9:00 p.m.

There were plenty of tips in 1981, said Hickey, who hadn't been born yet, but “none panned out.”
“Some locals said they saw her at a bar, but those leads didn't go anywhere.”

 

[Alleykins]

Even though a ton of time has passed, I wonder if it would be possible to re-interview some of those bar patrons who claimed to have seen her?
It may be worth it, if they can be found and can remember meeting her.

 

[carbuff]

I was 16 when BG was found. I used to date a biker who's sister was a bartender in a go-go bar. Someone used to custom make outfits.



Sounds like she may have been old enough to be in a bar but no one knew her name or where she came from, so the tip went nowhere

Slain Jane Doe's curious case in Ohio still puzzles after 35 years - By Chris Togneri | Saturday, June 4, 2016, 9:00 p.m.

There were plenty of tips in 1981, said Hickey, who hadn't been born yet, but “none panned out.”
“Some locals said they saw her at a bar, but those leads didn't go anywhere.”



She tweezed her eyebrows but she's not wearing any makeup. NamUs link I have both PM pics open, if anything, her left eyelash looks wet in this pic, but am not seeing any reason to believe she wore makeup. I rarely did either.

Me neither. Makeup was kind of out of style in the late 70s to early 80s. And a lot of rural/farm women only wore it on special occasions.





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[Springrain]

I wonder what kind of bar it was? Country and Western, a rock club, biker bar? I wonder why it was never mentioned before.

That's what I was thinking too; the buckskin might fit neatly into some of those types. I'm wondering if anyone who called in with the tips noted an accent. Some Boston folks can have a pretty strong accent. A Rhode Island accent can be mistaken for a Boston one. One of my father's buddies has a thick Rhode Island accent and very often gets taken as a Boston guy. Even a VT accent can stick out to some. I grew up mainly in Vermont. When I moved to Montreal for middle school in '10-'14, my 'redneck accent', combined with my tendency to often slur my words, was often discussed. Listening to videos or voice recordings from that period, I admit that my speech did have that kind of vibe. Now my accent is all but gone.

I'm thinking that the bar tips ended up getting tossed away because they didn't really lead anywhere, but they still could've happened. Makes me wonder about the tox report all the more. Could she have gotten drunk and possibly drugged, was led from the bar by some creep? Could he have attempted to rape her while she was too drunk or drugged to fight back, she gained consciousness enough to try to fight back, and he ended up killing her so she wouldn't call the cops? But this begs the question of why would she show no signs of sexual assault or recent sexual activity. Maybe he didn't so much as undress her before she knew what was going on? I could see her screaming, flailing her arms, trying to escape in any way, and him trying to push her down. Maybe he beat her abdominal area savagely, causing the laceration of the liver (which, as I learned, and the rest of you probably knew already, liver lacerations don't have to be made by knives. Seemed kind of obvious; I'm not the brightest), and, realizing she was not doing well, just killed her to finish it off? If he was a bar rapist and not a necrophiliac, he might not have wanted to rape her corpse, so he just sought out a lonely road, and tossed her there.

 

[Roselvr]

I wonder what kind of bar it was? Country and Western, a rock club, biker bar? I wonder why it was never mentioned before.

Hopefully one of the locals can answer, but my guess is it was just a plain local bar. No theme. Most likely had a pool table and juke box.

 

[nerosleuth]

From what I also remember about the Ohio liquor laws back then, bars and taverns in Ohio were not allowed to have any kind of go-go, topless, or nude dancing on their premises.

The only places that had go-go, topless, or nude dancing were the adult oriented entertainment establishments in the big cities in Ohio.

And the adult oriented entertainment establishments in Ohio that had go-go, topless, or nude dancing were not allowed to serve any kind of alcohol inside their premises back then.

 

[Nikon]

Lacerated liver...so she most likely suffered a liver shot. Mostly accomplished by punching the area where the liver is. Attacked by complete surprise? This could account for the gash on her forehead. A liver shot is a pretty effective way to incapacitate a person. It's so effective, liver shots have counted as TKOs in pro boxing.

Did they have liquid eyeliner in 1981?

Liquid eyeliner came to use in the '50s, but I think it was Mary Quant who set a trend with liquid eyeliner in the sixties.

 

[rascal32]

New article says tips were sent in shotly after the articles about her were published in newspapers. They said that she may have been at a bar. But it didn't lead anywhere. If it was true she might have been using a fake ID and got kicked out because of that

As far as I can tell, she wasn't wearing eyeshadow. You can see her freckled complexion, so probably no foundation, concealer, or powder. It's not in color so I can't tell if she's wearing lipstick/blush. I think she might have been wearing a bit of eyeliner and mascara. Her eyelashes looked long, but maybe she was one of the lucky few with long pretty eyelashes. It looks like she might have some thinly applied eyeliner, probably not from pencil. Did they have liquid eyeliner in 1981?

I think what you're seeing is glue to keep her eyes closed. My good friend owns a funeral home and is a mortician. She once told me that most people have to have their eyes glued shut to keep them closed.
It appears to me she's also been cleaned and washed up. There would have been a lot of blood with that head injury so any evidence of makeup would have been washed off. JMO


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[Onfortuneswheel]

The post mortem photos aren't a good reference for determining make-up she may have been wearing. We already know that her body and wounds were washed and her hair unbound and cleaned and then re-braided prior to the photos being taken.

 

[Fugitive Minister]

Do you know if the public library in Troy or Piqua have any old newspapers on microfilm from Troy, Piqua, or Dayton?

You might be able to find old newspaper articles on microfilm from 1981 at the public library.

That's a good thought. Not only is there a local public library, we have a by-appointment library that is dedicated to Troy's history. My office is in a building that was once the area's first hospital (first opened in 1915, it was closed as a hospital in 1998) and the historical library has a copy of every single newsletter ever created by the hospital. All city and county (Troy is the county seat) council meeting notes are stored there. It's a treasure trove of local history. If I can carve out about 2 or 3 hours I will call and make an appointment and see what the volunteers can dig out for us.

 

[Roselvr]

Do you know if the public library in Troy or Piqua have any old newspapers on microfilm from Troy, Piqua, or Dayton?

You might be able to find old newspaper articles on microfilm from 1981 at the public library.

Are you considering doing anything for BG like you did in that other OH murder case? Can't recall the girls name, found in the woods behind Woolworths.

 

[Roselvr]

I find it interesting that BG was seen at a bar. Now if that fact is true, then BG would have to be in her early 20’s if she went into a bar.

I want to point out that certain aspects of the drinking age law in Ohio were different in 1981 than what it is today.

If you were 18, 19, or 20 years old in Ohio back in 1981, you could only drink 3.2% beer which you could only purchase at a carryout store. And you had to be 21 or older in Ohio back in 1981 if you wanted to go into a bar, or to drink 6% beer, wine, or any kind of hard liquor.

I don’t believe you were allowed into a bar in Ohio if you were under 21 back then.

Under the current drinking age law in Ohio today, you now have to be 21 years of age or older to drink any kind of beer, wine, hard liquor, or to go into a bar.

The 3.2% beer no longer exists in Ohio as it is a memory of a bygone era of those who were 18, 19, or 20 years old back then. :biggrin:

After reading the new newspaper article about BG, here is a thought that I have regarding the speculation of BG’s age.

Was there any kind of makeup on BG’s face when her body was found?

I’m thinking of the kind of makeup where it possibly could make BG appear a bit older.

For the list of questions for LE, a good one is whether she had makeup on. It's possible she was washed up in the photos we've seen.

I had to google 2.3% beer -

while the U.S. beer industry has come far, there are still reminders of our less-than-enlightened past. One of those reminders is 3.2% beer. A relic of the days just after Prohibition, 3.2% “non-intoxicating” beer is still with us today. In an attempt to limit the availability of higher-octane beverages, 3.2% is currently the only beverage allowed for sale at grocery stores in Colorado, Utah, and several other states.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'd like to know what condition her hands were in. If she came from a ranch or farm (which she certainly looks like she did), her hands would show evidence of her work.

 

[dotr]

I'd like to know what condition her hands were in. If she came from a ranch or farm (which she certainly looks like she did), her hands would show evidence of her work.

Nice to "see you" rosesfromangels!
It would be interesting to learn if Buckskin had smooth hands or not, or even had small sewing injuries, or ink, paint stains if, for example she was a student, imo.

 

[rosesfromangels]

: ) Dotr

I was thinking calluses from ranch or farm work. If you work with, or ride horses a lot those calluses are very notable, unless you routinely wear gloves.

 

[rats]

Someone on the Mount Vernon Jane Doe Facebook page suggested that this person looked like Buckskin girl to them... Though I'm really hoping she's MVJD, I think she could be BG as well. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/schlicker_rosie.html She's a new Charley add, no NamUs profile.

 

[CarlK90245]

I'm not seeing her as either MVJD or BG. The side-view comparisons show that she has a very different nose (both to BG and MVJD). Rosie's nose curves inward. MVJD and BG both have humps on the dorsums of their noses.