GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

[ArianeEmory]

I don't disagree, just offering a possible theory why people feel violent crime in the U.S. is increasing when, for now, the data doesn't support that conclusion.

It has definitely been a bad week though. Full moon a few days ago.

 

[Karmady]

I don't disagree, just offering a possible theory why people feel violent crime in the U.S. is increasing when, for now, the data doesn't support that conclusion.

It has definitely been a bad week though. Full moon a few days ago.

I, personally, don't get the impression that crime is increasing from the reporting. The change is that this type of crime, common crime, never really got reported much. So it might seem to some who haven't been paying attention that it's increasing.jmo

 

[ArianeEmory]

I, personally, don't get the impression that crime is increasing from the reporting. The change is that this type of crime, common crime, never really got reported much. So it might seem to some who haven't been paying attention that it's increasing.jmo

Not 100% sure I follow but I think we may be agreeing.

 

[Karmady]

Not 100% sure I follow but I think we may be agreeing.

What I meant was that this type of crime happens a lot but doesn't usually get reported extensively in the media. Elderly victims of random violent crime usually don't make big news unless they are extremely noteworthy or their killings were very public and/or unusual. I know that they happen constantly because I lived in extraordinarily high crime areas my whole life. So it doesn't surprise me. But people who don't live around it might see the apparent increase in attention to it as an increase in the actual commission of the crimes. Which it isn't, imo.

My guess is that Shorty and the 99-year-old from Poughkeepsie are "riding the coattails" of Chris Lane and that, pretty soon, we'll be back to never hearing about them.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm from Florida, where all the really horrifying news comes from, I hear you.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I live in FL too and my brother (who lives a few blocks away) and I just chatted that we heard a total of 4 gun shots a few minutes ago.

Nice (not).

So anyway, I will continue to state my opinion that the USA is experiencing younger people committing crimes (and particularly violent ones at that). And I have linked articles that concur with my statements.

But as always, your mileage may vary....

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[Karmady]

We're lame as a society imo. We're all over the Jodi Arias trial-- a case with a clear motive and specific obvious victim. We watched MONTHS of that trial. Some to the detriment of their families, jobs, etc. Why? Imo, because it was unusual and interesting. We let the usual go without reporting or attention, yet its the vast majority of horrific crime in this country. Pay attention to the daily random violence. It's not interesting until it happens to you. jmo

 

[LambChop]

We're lame as a society imo. We're all over the Jodi Arias trial-- a case with a clear motive and specific obvious victim. We watched MONTHS of that trial. Some to the detriment of their families, jobs, etc. Why? Imo, because it was unusual and interesting. We let the usual go without reporting or attention, yet its the vast majority of horrific crime in this country. Pay attention to the daily random violence. It's not interesting until it happens to you. jmo

We is a misconception because most of America did not watch this trial on a daily basis. We all followed it closely on WS because that is what we do. Most people do not have a lot of knowledge about the events other than it's just another trial being followed on TV where a woman killed someone. Plus there are a lot of people who do not follow NG, JVM, etc. It is not that people are not interested it's just that they do not let it control their lives. jmo

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Cooperating is helpful when it comes time for sentencing. Calling someone out as a rat or any other name makes it sound as if the person cooperating is doing something wrong when the exact opposite is the case. Whatever his reasoning it shows he is taking responsibility for what he has done which puts him at risk for the remainder of the time he will serve in jail. jmo

I agree...but I also respectfully disagree. As a responsible caring adult, I know that speaking up and telling the truth is important, it's the right thing do do. I agree with that. However, what I disagree with is how "snitch" is used in this case. These violent people will surely view Michael Jones as a snitch & IMO could go after him bc these types of criminals would hold a grudge bc in their eyes he was a traitor when he spoke up. IMO, if Jones was telling the truth when he spoke up about Luna being the shooter and their reason for picking a "random stranger to kill", then he very well could have placed his own life in jeopardy by doing that. He specifically asked the officer not to mention that he's the one that said something bc the person they gave the gun to has 2 bros in jail for armed robbery right now and they'll kill him.

So it bothers me bc he had all the opportunity in the world to not be involved but he still chose to do so...yet he speaks up when arrested? IMO, either he spoke up bc he's scared and trying to do the right thing for a lighter sentence...or he lied about the shooter in order to protect the real one. This hasn't been mentioned at all...but it's in the back of my head - is it possible someone else was with them as well, is the real shooter, but they're all protecting him by taking the fall bc they're kids so it was thought they'd get off easy? If so, if its at all possible, maybe that's where the gun is. Literally, just a thought...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://duncanbanner.com/local/x31531254/Some-teens-in-shooting-had-ties-to-other-alleged-criminals

Some teens in shooting had ties to other alleged criminals Mike Smith 08/25/2013 7:00 AM

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The gun believed to have been used in the convenience store robberies was found when a search warrant was executed at a house on Country Club Road that helped lead to the arrest of three young men and a 17-year-old. They are in the Stephens County Jail on robbery charges.
That house on Country Club is the same one the teens were in when they saw Lane go jogging by and followed him in a car, with one teen allegedly shooting him in the back. Evans declined to say if that house had been searched in connection with the Aug. 16 shooting.

The hearing is scheduled to resume Oct. 31.

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*PLEASE READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE. LOTS OF INFO!*

 

[Jersey*Girl]

We is a misconception because most of America did not watch this trial on a daily basis. We all followed it closely on WS because that is what we do. Most people do not have a lot of knowledge about the events other than it's just another trial being followed on TV where a woman killed someone. Plus there are a lot of people who do not follow NG, JVM, etc. It is not that people are not interested it's just that they do not let it control their lives. jmo

I didn't follow or watch any of the Arias stuff bc IMO she's a murdering whackadoodle that tried using her manipulative self to control how people perceived her & the crime...much in the same way as Casey Anthony, heck she probably learned it from CMA & her defense team - & bc I blame much of the media for assisting to get Casey off, I chose not to add to their ratings for the Arias trial.

Plus I've been busy with going back to college... Yayyy! :scared:

 

[Sonya610]

RSBM

Hey Sonya .. did you add something to my quote? I didn't put that line in there about "Us dumb Americans ...." :waitasec:

Ahhh...yes I did! Sorry! I was editing my own post to include that but apparently put it under your quote. Apologies and I have corrected it!

 

[SouthAussie]

Ahhh...yes I did! Sorry! I was editing my own post to include that but apparently put it under your quote. Apologies and I have corrected it!

That's okay ... just didn't want anyone to think that I said that. Thanks.

 

[miimaa]

Yeah and if we try to tell them they think we must be "one of those ignorant racist Americans" that they hear so much about. Us dumb American's don't know anything about the US, we just live here!

My Swiss cousin tried to hike through Detroit during a trip to the US a couple of years ago, he didn't bother to mention that this was part of his "touring the US" plan. Yes Detroit, one of the most dangerous cities in America where 70% of all homicides go unsolved. He had his fancy backpack and gear and was walking towards the city when a man mowing his grass asked him "What are you doing???"

Thank God the man asked, he promptly told my cousin that he could not walk into Detroit, and he drove him to the other side of the city. If he had not done that my naive cousin surely would have been attacked/robbed and quite possibly killed. BTW Switzerland has one of the lowest crime rates in the world and also a tremendous amount of fully automatic assault weapons in civilian homes, their laws don't keep them safe, the standards set by their people do.

I went to look at an apartment in Minneapolis years ago. The landlord refused to show it to me. I was there with my little boy. The landlord told me I would not want to live there -- that it was dangerous and alot of no good people. His words - not mine. At the time I didn't understand and found a place further out in the suburbs.

I had to take the city bus to work through that neighborhood. Then I got the picture. A lot of people lingering around daily with no where to go. No one got on the bus there unless I went home early in the afternoon and they were coming from the city out.

Another time I went to Milwaukee for a few days. I wanted to look around the city but the cab driver told me not to. He said it was dangerous and full of a lot of bad people. Sad and scary to have to live like that.

 

[Sonya610]

I didn't follow or watch any of the Arias stuff...

Yeah, I didn't watch any of it either. I did scan threw some of the murder scene pix, those were somewhat interesting, but the trial itself was not. IMO there was more than one whackadoodle in that situation.

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[Jersey*Girl]

Yeah, I didn't watch any of it either. I did scan threw some of the murder scene pix, those were somewhat interesting, but the trial itself was not. IMO there was more than one whackadoodle in that situation.

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I didn't watch that either bc I felt very uncomfortable with the tension created from it.

 

[Sonya610]

I went to look at an apartment in Minneapolis years ago. The landlord refused to show it to me. I was there with my little boy. The landlord told me I would not want to live there -- that it was dangerous and alot of no good people. His words - not mine. At the time I didn't understand and found a place further out in the suburbs.

Yeah many years ago when I moved from a sunny and very safe area of California to Georgia I had a similar experience. I was house shopping on a budget and the two female realtors told me quietly, as it is illegal to state such things, that especially as a single woman I did not want buy in a certain suburban area that I expressed an interest in.

But see the housing prices were better there and it looked FINE to me! So I did buy there. I didn't understand the South or what was happening in that area. Flash forward 10 years and I was living in the hood, the stores were putting up bullet proof glass, many businesses had experienced armed robberies, the drive by shootings and crime was well under way. They warned me but like so many others I didn't "get it".

Now I warn others and they don't "get it". Guess you have to experience it to understand.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

There are some things only hinted at in some media reports. In researching some things, it's absolutely apparent these kids didn't have great wholesome lives. I don't believe they had great role models.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The baseball club Chris Lane belonged to is amazing. Everything they're doing. Literally brings tears to my eyes...

http://www.essendon.baseball.com.au/

 

[LambChop]

There are some things only hinted at in some media reports. In researching some things, it's absolutely apparent these kids didn't have great wholesome lives. I don't believe they had great role models.

I think the role models might be the key. If none is provided a child will pick one and it is usually the one with the appearance of the most power. Right or wrong. jmo