GUILTY OK - Christopher Lane, 22, Australian, slain in thrill killing, Duncan, 16 Aug 2013

[Karmady]

Quincy Barnes, who identified Tre Babineaux as his little brother in a publicly available (on-line) application for job training, said he lived at 1408 7th street, duncan, ok. They were both (tre and quincy) involved in the armed robberies of local convenience stores that may be linked to the gun used in this crime. If that's N. 7th street, here is a google map from the house to the location of the shooting at twilight beach and country club. The house on 7th is not a mansion. Sorry if the link doesn't work. I s*ck at that!

eta: I deleted that link because I don't know how to do it. But if you plug the addresses into google maps you can see what I'm talking about.

ps: if you look at the house on 7th, check the car in the car port.

 

[stmarysmead]

So what I think you're saying is that wealth disparity is part of the cause of the violence in our society, correct?
If so, I would agree with you.
But what are the other causes?

My parents were immigrants to this country...as were the parents of many of my friends at school. We lived in a house converted into six. apartments. WE never went out to eat, or had "prepared" food...even local pizza. We went to church and drove to the beach for a weeks vacation in a room with kitchnette.

We knew there were lots of people who had big houses, ski trips, country club memberships. We weren't killing and robbing because we did not. I remember my childhood as almost idyllic. Who CARES what others have? This is the disease of our time.

My Dad always said...we have a roof over our head, heat in the winter, food on the table...we are so lucky!"

I pity these folks seething over income disparity. There will ALWAYS be people with more. Politicians just love to promote this envy and hate. And we see the result...people die...but, hey, they get elected.

 

[Karmady]

My parents were immigrants to this country...as were the parents of many of my friends at school. We lived in a house converted into six. apartments. WE never went out to eat, or had "prepared" food...even local pizza. We went to church and drove to the beach for a weeks vacation in a room with kitchnette.

We knew there were lots of people who had big houses, ski trips, country club memberships. We weren't killing and robbing because we did not. I remember my childhood as almost idyllic. Who CARES what others have? This is the disease of our time.

My Dad always said...we have a roof over our head, heat in the winter, food on the table...we are so lucky!"

I pity these folks seething over income disparity. There will ALWAYS be people with more. Politicians just love to promote this envy and hate. And we see the result...people die...but, hey, they get elected.

My experience is very similar. My gp's were 2nd generation immigrants on one side and 1st on the other. I was the first to go to college and among only a few who had graduated from HS, or even attended HS. All of gp's were done by the 8th grade, latest. And my father did not graduate. My mother did so by the skin of her teeth.Both gm's were housewives and my gp's drove truck and worked unskilled factory labor, respectively.

I remember my childhood as being very awesome (until I got to be about 11 and for reasons having nothing to do with money). This even though my mother was very young and single at first and my father was absent. I spent a lot of time with my grandparents and lived in the same house with one set for a long time. I remember when my last paternal gp died, she had more than $200,000 in investments. How she managed that when they had a household income that never exceeded $17k per year even into the late 1970's I will never know! Yet she never spent a penny of it she didn't have to, except to spoil me a little. And by that I mean green grapes or strawberries from the market in Winter-NOT a new car. lol

Everything they had was simple but paid for. My grandmother had a hand wringer for the laundry at least until the late-1960's. If it worked, you used it and didn't replace it with something better even if you COULD afford it. She taught me how to braid by pinning three lenths of cloth to the chair. She taught me how to knit and sew and prepare meals from almost nothing. They only went out to eat when I was with them, and it was to IHOP or similar. She would let me stay up late while she watched old movies on the ancient tv and rub my back for periods of time that seemed not humanly possible, even to me back then. I'm saying this only to say that that's what I remember. Not what I didn't have.

Sure, I strayed quite a bit in HS. But I always had that foundation and they never approved my straying. Tacitly or otherwise, although they continued to love me. It's about character in my book. jmo

 

[Darkman00]

Black teens in both high profile killings linked to ultra-violent rapper

August 24, 2013

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/...t-rapper-82122

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blu...ap-will-establ

 

[LambChop]

My experience is very similar. My gp's were 2nd generation immigrants on one side and 1st on the other. I was the first to go to college and among only a few who had graduated from HS, or even attended HS. All of gp's were done by the 8th grade, latest. And my father did not graduate. My mother did so by the skin of her teeth.Both gm's were housewives and my gp's drove truck and worked unskilled factory labor, respectively.

I remember my childhood as being very awesome (until I got to be about 11 and for reasons having nothing to do with money). This even though my mother was very young and single at first and my father was absent. I spent a lot of time with my grandparents and lived in the same house with one set for a long time. I remember when my last paternal gp died, she had more than $200,000 in investments. How she managed that when they had a household income that never exceeded $17k per year even into the late 1970's I will never know! Yet she never spent a penny of it she didn't have to, except to spoil me a little. And by that I mean green grapes or strawberries from the market in Winter-NOT a new car. lol

Everything they had was simple but paid for. My grandmother had a hand wringer for the laundry at least until the late-1960's. If it worked, you used it and didn't replace it with something better even if you COULD afford it. She taught me how to braid by pinning three lenths of cloth to the chair. She taught me how to knit and sew and prepare meals from almost nothing. They only went out to eat when I was with them, and it was to IHOP or similar. She would let me stay up late while she watched old movies on the ancient tv and rub my back for periods of time that seemed not humanly possible, even to me back then. I'm saying this only to say that that's what I remember. Not what I didn't have.

Sure, I strayed quite a bit in HS. But I always had that foundation and they never approved my straying. Tacitly or otherwise, although they continued to love me. It's about character in my book. jmo

My mother divorced when I was 2 and was a single mother for a long time. My grandmother lived with us in the country, Mom worked in the city. Gram once cleaned out the front part of an old chicken coup so I could have a playhouse. (I think it was where they separated the eggs and kept tools. Sounds gross I know but I did not know any better. lol She even put up curtains. Love does not cost a thing and kids will always remember what was done with love. jmo

 

[stmarysmead]

My Mother had friends that got together once a month to play cards. I heard her saying before her turn...that most of the ladies had cloth napkins. Not complaining...just telling my Aunt that she would like to get some ine day.

I was about six...and decided to surprise her. I took my crayons and colored on the "good" paper napkins she saved for that night. Thinking back, I probably ruined them...how many friends wanted to use a crayoned napkin.

But she acted thrilled. And used them. It still makes me choke up to think of it. What a Mom!

 

[nao]

Theres always been gangbangers though once they were called outlaws, they became the stuff of legends and movies. Much crime is because of poverty, i came from a violent home therefore i accepted violence as part of life, it did'nt really faze me to be around it, and most people i knew were in and out of juvi.
Rappers have really glorified - being a jerk- they rap about -their hard life, streetlife, poverty- which is a bunch of crap- since most of them have no inner city experiance-and they flash their bling, got fancy cars and guns. If their stories were true they would be giving back to their neibourhoods. They are the ultimate gangbanger wannabes, and they do use those guns once in a while. It sells well but they sell a lie, they miss the part about the grief and fear.
I do like the beat of a lot of rap music and not everyone takes the words literally.
But i think its hypocritical to make money off other peoples misery or inner city lack of choices. jmo moo

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Theres always been gangbangers though once they were called outlaws, they became the stuff of legends and movies. Much crime is because of poverty, i came from a violent home therefore i accepted violence as part of life, it did'nt really faze me to be around it, and most people i knew were in and out of juvi.
Rappers have really glorified - being a jerk- they rap about -their hard life, streetlife, poverty- which is a bunch of crap- since most of them have no inner city experiance-and they flash their bling, got fancy cars and guns. If their stories were true they would be giving back to their neibourhoods. They are the ultimate gangbanger wannabes, and they do use those guns once in a while. It sells well but they sell a lie, they miss the part about the grief and fear.
I do like the beat of a lot of rap music and not everyone takes the words literally.
But i think its hypocritical to make money off other peoples misery or inner city lack of choices. jmo moo

They've got blood on their hands, imo.

 

[SouthAussie]

One of the statistics that I found interesting was the one mentioned back in the thread that most of the crimes committed by the adolescent group fell in the 3-6pm (or was it 4-7pm) timeslot.

Obviously this is a time when many in this age group are not supervised, due to their caregiver’s necessary work commitments.

But it is also the time of day that can be so settling for an adolescent or child. Come home from school, caregiver makes them a vegemite sandwich , chats with them while preparing dinner and verbally rubs away the war wounds from the day, lifts the child up with praise for their achievements that day, helps with homework, lightly discusses worrying social situations, shares a joke.

The child has their soft place to land. It means so much.

 

[writer7]

Absolutely! I'm not excusing them. I'm just saying it's not new in history or anything. It's been going on forever. We should know more about it and what to do, imho.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think we place far too much emphasis on money in this world. Obviously it makes life more comfortable and less worrying if you have enough of it, but look at James Johnson’s son (the one who was scheduled to be killed because he wouldn’t join the gang).

He must have been at least loosely in their group to have been delivered the invitation, and then the threat for refusing the invitation. Yet he felt that he had enough caregiver support to tell his dad what was going on and expect help, protection, and guidance from his caregiver.

Money and 'cool' didn’t make it into his reasoning. He knew better and sought help from what I imagine is a fairly stable caregiver who was present and approachable for him.

 

[Salem]

Please DROP the political discussion. This is not the place for it. Take it to the Political Pavilion.

This thread continues to be off topic discussion. Not that it isn't good discussion, it just doesn't belong here. Please get back on topic of the crime. You may open a thread in the Political Pavilion if you like to discuss the underlying reasons for this violence.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I really wonder if these perps feel any sense of remorse for their crime?

You know, like right before they go to sleep.....

Just wondering.

 

[Karmady]

I really wonder if these perps feel any sense of remorse for their crime?

You know, like right before they go to sleep.....

Just wondering.

I think they don't. If anything, they feel sorry for themselves <modsnip>. They probably also feel powerful for having obtained prison cred (except Jones) and having .... (self-deleted) jmo

<modsnip>

Wth, I can't state the op as an opinion???? IMO, they feel sorry for themselves because they have been raised with a victim mentality.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I really wonder if these perps feel any sense of remorse for their crime?

You know, like right before they go to sleep.....

Just wondering.

IMO.... Nope , not one ounce of remorse.IMO...they killed for fun.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Hmmm... I just found an obituary...looked into the death. Very suspicious. Chancey Luna's brother died December 25th, 2012 from blunt force trauma to his head, he suffered a brain injury & died, he was 25 y/o. Chancey's brother was a very hard working athlete...most especially wrestling and running. His ex gf's husband got 30 for molesting his 7 y/o daughter & I just read something like this brother of Chancey's was supposed to testify in this guys defense. It was a huge case. The guy that's in jail was a sgt in the marines. Interesting. Probably not related but worth mentioning.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://duncanbanner.com/local/x31528974/Juvenile-murder-suspects-being-held-in-separate-cells

Juvenile murder suspects being held in separate cells
Mike Smith
08/22/2013 1:47 AM

Snipped:
Hicks said Wednesday afternoon that he was not aware of attorneys yet representing any of the three teens, but that was only a matter of them filling out some paper work if they wanted a public defender. Their next hearings are in October.
<modsnip>
Automatic pleas of not guilty were entered for each one.

Snipped:
Luna and Edwards could be sentenced up to life in prison without parole if convicted. Jones faces up to 45 years in prison if convicted on one charge and up to life on the other, but a life term in Oklahoma is defined as 45 years. If he got the maximum sentence on each charge, it could be 90 years.
Under the charges, the three teens would have to serve at least 85 percent of their sentence term.

 

[SouthAussie]

So it could be about 38 years they spend in prison, if they do 85% of a life term.

Well, that's four young lives completely wasted.

 

[Trident]

So it could be about 38 years they spend in prison, if they do 85% of a life term.

Well, that's four young lives completely wasted.

Yep, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yep, and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Well, I'll agree that 3 of them have no-one to blame but themselves.