OK OK - Daryn Collie, 32, Guthrie, 26 May 2013

[Treelights]

GGE, I am so glad you are posting!!!
Welcome!!!!!

 

[GGE]

I really like your insightful post.
And I know you said that all this doesn't quite sit right with you so you aren't willing to say this is your theory at this time, but I have to ask then, since you brought it up....if the people closest to him are helping him, and hindering/intentionally interfering with the investigation, why do you think they would do that? What would Daryn have done, that nobody else is supposed to find out about, so there's the secrecy and cover-up, and to look like a car jacking, or to look like a suicide....what would Daryn gain? What would the "helpers" gain from this? Is Daryn, then hiding something that he did and nobody is supposed to find out?
It isn't all that difficult to put in your notice at work if you don't want to work there anymore. If you can't afford the car you bought, there's ways to manage that, other than driving it to the coast and dumping it there.
If somebody is helping Daryn, what is the Pay-Off for them?? What is the Pay-Off for Daryn?? This certainly is hurting his family emotionally....

BBM - your questions are exactly why this doesn't sit right with me.

I feel that if that is the given scenario, his disappearance isn't meant to be forever, but only for as long as it takes to do whatever it is that he's doing.. a week or two doesn't sound like a long time to go off and do some grand adventure, but it is a LIFETIME to everyone else who has no clue that this is what you've done... this is the only way I can think he would do this, is if it's not meant to be "such a big deal"... I just don't know, like I said.. it doesn't sit right with me, so much so that I can't commit or even half-commit to the theory, much as I'd like to since it definitely would have him both alive, AND coming home soon.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I really like your insightful post.
And I know you said that all this doesn't quite sit right with you so you aren't willing to say this is your theory at this time, but I have to ask then, since you brought it up....if the people closest to him are helping him, and hindering/intentionally interfering with the investigation, why do you think they would do that? What would Daryn have done, that nobody else is supposed to find out about, so there's the secrecy and cover-up, and to look like a car jacking, or to look like a suicide....what would Daryn gain? What would the "helpers" gain from this? Is Daryn, then hiding something that he did and nobody is supposed to find out?
It isn't all that difficult to put in your notice at work if you don't want to work there anymore. If you can't afford the car you bought, there's ways to manage that, other than driving it to the coast and dumping it there.
If somebody is helping Daryn, what is the Pay-Off for them?? What is the Pay-Off for Daryn?? This certainly is hurting his family emotionally....

Yes it is. And if by chance anyone is helping Daryn hide, please please please come forward and let LE know. You might think you are helping Daryn by keeping his whereabouts a secret, but in the long-run it is only hurting him. I hope if Daryn is out there and in contact with friends that they will get word to him that sometimes troubles may seem insurmountable, but there is help available for just about any kind of problem if someone just asks for it. Start with calling LE. Then ask for the help of a social worker. They will help you go from there, get you the right resources, etc. And that, dear friends, is advice for anyone who feels overwhelmed!!!

 

[GGE]

Can someone bring forward a recent photo of Daryn? Too many pages have gone by without a reminder of who we're looking for, IMHO, and I'd do it but it's bedtime for me. I spent all night reading and posting for Daryn and now I will sleep and hope to dream up a better theory!

 

[STEADFAST]

My thoughts... the car was left meticulously. It was backed up intentionally to obscure the back plate, and if there was anything on the front, as LE said there was, it was taken off and stashed inside. In this way it was just another vehicle parked at a trailhead, which is probably unlikely to appear odd until some days have passed, IMHO, which is based on no experience whatsoever.

His items were left inside including a non-stolen laptop. Anyone who carjacked him and had no cash, therefor had to abandon the car once it was out of gas (after filling it a number of times on the way at any number of full serve stations which should provide a lead or two I would think) would likely take along something like that which he could carry and which would be of value, I would think.

But he, himself, might have some reason to leave the car in such a way that it was not very noticeable or conspicuous, and then leave his things behind in it... either if he was going to go off on a little rendezvous with someone and they were going to bring him back to his car at the end of this little visit, or if he intended to never come back to it at all. In which case I don't read it as suicide, but rather as voluntary disappearing. There are a million quicker and easier and more logical places and ways to kill yourself than to go through all THIS, you know?

The car being completely out of gas speaks to someone so meticulous that they wanted absolute control over the finding of the car. They didn't want to risk a thief happening upon it and driving it away. They wanted it to HAVE to be towed. That way someone would eventually find it was his, and sooner than later. So he cared about people and didn't want them to worry endlessly, IMHO......

the passport being left behind was something I wanted to comment on... sort of... what I mean is, I just wanted to mention I don't think you need one to do a land crossing into Canada or back, only air. Pretty sure about that. You only need your license on you to land-cross. So the Passport wouldn't be for a Canada trip, I'm pretty sure...

Re the passport thing: Rules have changed. You can't come into the U.S. by car these days with only a regular driver's license, so Canada won't let you enter with only the license -- the thinking being that you won't be able to leave when you're supposed to. http://traveltips.usatoday.com/documents-needed-between-canada-usa-car-21162.html

Also, this does seem like an awfully elaborate set up for a suicide, but remember that as a gamer and a role-player, Daryn would enjoy and excel at elaborate set-ups and byzantine scenarios.

Except for the suit hanging in the car, there's really nothing pointing to suicide as far as I can see, lots pointing to a voluntary disappearance, very little pointing to a murder.

I think the solution to this case is going to present itself sooner or later.

On another note. Hey, everybody out there, did I miss a description of Gypsy?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

My thoughts... the car was left meticulously. It was backed up intentionally to obscure the back plate, and if there was anything on the front, as LE said there was, it was taken off and stashed inside. In this way it was just another vehicle parked at a trailhead, which is probably unlikely to appear odd until some days have passed, IMHO, which is based on no experience whatsoever.

His items were left inside including a non-stolen laptop. Anyone who carjacked him and had no cash, therefor had to abandon the car once it was out of gas (after filling it a number of times on the way at any number of full serve stations which should provide a lead or two I would think) would likely take along something like that which he could carry and which would be of value, I would think.

But he, himself, might have some reason to leave the car in such a way that it was not very noticeable or conspicuous, and then leave his things behind in it... either if he was going to go off on a little rendezvous with someone and they were going to bring him back to his car at the end of this little visit, or if he intended to never come back to it at all. In which case I don't read it as suicide, but rather as voluntary disappearing. There are a million quicker and easier and more logical places and ways to kill yourself than to go through all THIS, you know?

The car being completely out of gas speaks to someone so meticulous that they wanted absolute control over the finding of the car. They didn't want to risk a thief happening upon it and driving it away. They wanted it to HAVE to be towed. That way someone would eventually find it was his, and sooner than later. So he cared about people and didn't want them to worry endlessly, IMHO......

the passport being left behind was something I wanted to comment on... sort of... what I mean is, I just wanted to mention I don't think you need one to do a land crossing into Canada or back, only air. Pretty sure about that. You only need your license on you to land-cross. So the Passport wouldn't be for a Canada trip, I'm pretty sure...

So in other words he wanted to leave the car in such a way to buy him a bit of time to get away; but at the same time leaving it where it wouldn't take too terribly long to be found so his parents would know? Am I understanding that correctly?

The only problem with "his" theory, if this is along the lines he was thinking, is that the car has been found, and his family is still worried sick.

I'm still fretting over the laptop and the need for it to be picked apart because in this scenario, he might have left his family a reassuring note on it.

There have been instances in cases where people left emails designed to be delivered at precise times, allowing themselves the window to do whatever it was they wanted to get done before informing people of their acts. I wouldn't know how to do it, but Daryn's generation are more tech-savvy than me; so, I'm going to IMO and stretch a bit to say I'd think if he really didn't want to worry his parents, he could have set up a "time specific" email to be sent to them.

Not arguing or agreeing here...really just thinking out loud I guess!

 

[Portabella]

Times have changed....You do need a passport now to cross into Canada.

Entry into Canada: Canadian law requires that all persons entering Canada carry both proof of citizenship and proof of identity. A valid U.S. passport, passport card, or NEXUS card satisfies these requirements for U.S. citizens.

Children under 16 need only present proof of U.S. citizenship.

Read more at link... http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1082.html#entry_requirements

My thoughts... the car was left meticulously. It was backed up intentionally to obscure the back plate, and if there was anything on the front, as LE said there was, it was taken off and stashed inside. In this way it was just another vehicle parked at a trailhead, which is probably unlikely to appear odd until some days have passed, IMHO, which is based on no experience whatsoever.

His items were left inside including a non-stolen laptop. Anyone who carjacked him and had no cash, therefor had to abandon the car once it was out of gas (after filling it a number of times on the way at any number of full serve stations which should provide a lead or two I would think) would likely take along something like that which he could carry and which would be of value, I would think.

But he, himself, might have some reason to leave the car in such a way that it was not very noticeable or conspicuous, and then leave his things behind in it... either if he was going to go off on a little rendezvous with someone and they were going to bring him back to his car at the end of this little visit, or if he intended to never come back to it at all. In which case I don't read it as suicide, but rather as voluntary disappearing. There are a million quicker and easier and more logical places and ways to kill yourself than to go through all THIS, you know?

The car being completely out of gas speaks to someone so meticulous that they wanted absolute control over the finding of the car. They didn't want to risk a thief happening upon it and driving it away. They wanted it to HAVE to be towed. That way someone would eventually find it was his, and sooner than later. So he cared about people and didn't want them to worry endlessly, IMHO......

the passport being left behind was something I wanted to comment on... sort of... what I mean is, I just wanted to mention I don't think you need one to do a land crossing into Canada or back, only air. Pretty sure about that. You only need your license on you to land-cross. So the Passport wouldn't be for a Canada trip, I'm pretty sure...

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Can someone bring forward a recent photo of Daryn? Too many pages have gone by without a reminder of who we're looking for, IMHO, and I'd do it but it's bedtime for me. I spent all night reading and posting for Daryn and now I will sleep and hope to dream up a better theory!

Good idea!

LINKS TO DARYN'S PHOTOS AND FLYERS

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=665849410098184&set=gm.468983279845027&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...68984663178222&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...68984846511537&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=665849643431494&set=gm.468983279845027&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...68982776511744&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

And my personal favorite:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...68986836511338&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

 

[STEADFAST]

It's possible (or even probable) that some of the things that we know could turn out not to be so very significant, so if they don't fit a certain scenario, it may not matter. I realize this way of thinking might not be that helpful, but it's just where my mind is going tonight. Off the top of my head --

The car being left out of gas. Someone unrelated to the case may have siphoned the gas.

The car being found in Oregon. Daryn may have given the car away in some state and the recipient drove it till it was out of gas which happened to be in Oregon.

Daryn was last seen near the Job Corps in Guthrie. He may have been any number of places after that and just wasn't seen or noticed, even if he did turn out to have been carjacked at some point and some place, after all.

Daryn's possessions were found in the car not stolen. Someone may have hijacked the car to have immediate transportation and didn't need the hassle of disposing of stolen goods.

Well, I guess I've only got those four.

 

[Treelights]

Re the passport thing: Rules have changed. You can't come into the U.S. by car these days with only a regular driver's license, so Canada won't let you enter with only the license -- the thinking being that you won't be able to leave when you're supposed to. http://traveltips.usatoday.com/documents-needed-between-canada-usa-car-21162.html

Also, this does seem like an awfully elaborate set up for a suicide, but remember that as a gamer and a role-player, Daryn would enjoy and excel at elaborate set-ups and byzantine scenarios.

Except for the suit hanging in the car, there's really nothing pointing to suicide as far as I can see, lots pointing to a voluntary disappearance, very little pointing to a murder.

I think the solution to this case is going to present itself sooner or later.

On another note. Hey, everybody out there, did I miss a description of Gypsy?

You brought up an Excellent point about Daryn enjoying role-playing and being a gamer. Maybe this was his way of making his fantasy a reality,
and he will eventually show up,( not realizing the full extent at how this has affected his family.)

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Re the passport thing: Rules have changed. You can't come into the U.S. by car these days with only a regular driver's license, so Canada won't let you enter with only the license -- the thinking being that you won't be able to leave when you're supposed to. http://traveltips.usatoday.com/documents-needed-between-canada-usa-car-21162.html

Also, this does seem like an awfully elaborate set up for a suicide, but remember that as a gamer and a role-player, Daryn would enjoy and excel at elaborate set-ups and byzantine scenarios.

Except for the suit hanging in the car, there's really nothing pointing to suicide as far as I can see, lots pointing to a voluntary disappearance, very little pointing to a murder.

I think the solution to this case is going to present itself sooner or later.

On another note. Hey, everybody out there, did I miss a description of Gypsy?

Nope. No description. Lots of calls made in the effort to find her, each one asking for a description, to which we have to say, "Er....er...."

With all the Furrydom talk, I'm beginning to wonder if Gypsy was really a pooka? An "invisible" friend that only the owner can see...usually dressed in a bunny suit, but this time in a cat suit because of Daryn's proclivity for cats????? Maybe people were just too polite to say, "Dude! I don't see your cat!!??"


*****And I surely hope folks see my tongue stuck way over in my cheek when I say that! lol*****

 

[my_tee_mouse]

It's possible (or even probable) that some of the things that we know could turn out not to be so very significant, so if they don't fit a certain scenario, it may not matter. I realize this way of thinking might not be that helpful, but it's just where my mind is going tonight. Off the top of my head --

The car being left out of gas. Someone unrelated to the case may have siphoned the gas.

The car being found in Oregon. Daryn may have given the car away in some state and the recipient drove it till it was out of gas which happened to be in Oregon.

Daryn was last seen near the Job Corps in Guthrie. He may have been any number of places after that and just wasn't seen or noticed, even if he did turn out to have been carjacked at some point and some place, after all.

Daryn's possessions were found in the car not stolen. Someone may have hijacked the car to have immediate transportation and didn't need the hassle of disposing of stolen goods.

Well, I guess I've only got those four.

Hmmmm. The only issue I would have with the above is that I'm told that *most* late-model cars are equipped with a device that prevents syphoning. But that wasn't an expert who told me, and I don't know if it would apply to the model of this vehicle anyway. Anybody out there familiar with vehicles?

I have nothing to add to the list at this point, but I'll try to think of some stuff. (But if you say Gypsy is insignificant, I'm gonna....... lol)

 

[STEADFAST]

Hmmmm. The only issue I would have with the above is that I'm told that *most* late-model cars are equipped with a device that prevents syphoning. But that wasn't an expert who told me, and I don't know if it would apply to the model of this vehicle anyway. Anybody out there familiar with vehicles?

I have nothing to add to the list at this point, but I'll try to think of some stuff. (But if you say Gypsy is insignificant, I'm gonna....... lol)

It's probably too unlikely to have happened to bother to look up the feasibility of syphoning gas from a Nitro. Oh darn, I just can't leave something like that. Need info! :scared: Need info!

Be right back.
Yes, there are ways of syphoning gas even if a car has an anti-syphoning device. Siphoning gas from modern gas tanks? - Survivalist Forum

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Thinking about Steady's post above, I'm reminded of the following:

I was taking a computer programming class. Someone was having a problem with their program. On paper it looked perfect, but when applied, it seemed to zip through each command without performing the action associated with that command and wound up at the end of the program in a manner of seconds.

Five or six of us...including our instructor...poured over that program. We went through every single little string of every command. It looked letter perfect. We tried it on several different computers. Same thing...

Until finally finally one of us realized that in front of each and every command statement were three little letters: REM. That stands for "remarks." That tells the computer, "Don't do anything here except show the comment that follows." REM. Three little letters made all the difference in whether that computer program ran or whether it didn't.

So yes, it's true. We might all be too busy looking at every single little "string" to bother seeing the big fat "letters" sitting right out in plain view, staring us in the face.

I thought last night that it might be time to start from Square One with regard to theories and just follow the trail of what we know...letting the evidence lead to the end, not letting us see what fits to prove a theory. LE does it all the time when there are so many trails or something just isn't "fitting." So do we start from Square One and look only at what we KNOW? Anyone want to volunteer to take on that task? We can keep a "separate and clean" "run" of the pieces and where they lead while the rest of us are working on pursuing possible evidence. What say ya'll?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

It's probably too unlikely to have happened to bother to look up the feasibility of syphoning gas from a Nitro. Oh darn, I just can't leave something like that. Need info! :scared: Need info!

Be right back.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

You're such an infomaniac!!!
:drumroll:

lmao

"It's probably too unlikely to have happened to bother to look up the feasibility of syphoning gas from a Nitro. Oh darn, I just can't leave something like that. Need info! *Need info!"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And this, my friends, is why this bunch will probably never be able to just walk quietly down one trail at a time!:scared::floorlaugh: So just tear up my previous post and throw it in the fireplace! Snort!

 

[STEADFAST]

I edited to show a link about how to syphon gas even if there's an anti-syphon doohicky in there. (There are tons of links for this, even youtubes.)

But that's not as important (to me) as this thought I just had about why the gas tank may have been empty: Someone didn't want to waste expensive gas on an abandoned car and so he transferred it to another vehicle. That person could have been Daryn or a carjacker.

 

[STEADFAST]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

You're such an infomaniac!!!
:drumroll:

lmao

"It's probably too unlikely to have happened to bother to look up the feasibility of syphoning gas from a Nitro. Oh darn, I just can't leave something like that. Need info! *Need info!"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And this, my friends, is why this bunch will probably never be able to just walk quietly down one trail at a time!:scared::floorlaugh: So just tear up my previous post and throw it in the fireplace! Snort!

Would any of us even be here if we didn't have this compulsion to:lookingitup:???

 

[Anna1964]

Thinking about Steady's post above, I'm reminded of the following:

I was taking a computer programming class. Someone was having a problem with their program. On paper it looked perfect, but when applied, it seemed to zip through each command without performing the action associated with that command and wound up at the end of the program in a manner of seconds.

Five or six of us...including our instructor...poured over that program. We went through every single little string of every command. It looked letter perfect. We tried it on several different computers. Same thing...

Until finally finally one of us realized that in front of each and every command statement were three little letters: REM. That stands for "remarks." That tells the computer, "Don't do anything here except show the comment that follows." REM. Three little letters made all the difference in whether that computer program ran or whether it didn't.

So yes, it's true. We might all be too busy looking at every single little "string" to bother seeing the big fat "letters" sitting right out in plain view, staring us in the face.

I thought last night that it might be time to start from Square One with regard to theories and just follow the trail of what we know...letting the evidence lead to the end, not letting us see what fits to prove a theory. LE does it all the time when there are so many trails or something just isn't "fitting." So do we start from Square One and look only at what we KNOW? Anyone want to volunteer to take on that task? We can keep a "separate and clean" "run" of the pieces and where they lead while the rest of us are working on pursuing possible evidence. What say ya'll?

This would be great. Each theory I have come up with just doesn't fit. Something seems off with every single one. I feel like I am just missing something so obvious. There are so many details, and I am sure many of them just have a simple explanation.

Glad to finally have his furry persona. Have done a lot of that type of, ummm research, lol, and I had no luck. There are sites you can search for members by name, but many you must become a member. There are also several meet up groups, but I was looking for Darraby.

 

[carole]

From conversation with JJ
Pulse is the name of his tiger charecter.
He has a tiger costume, but now a Fur suit. It is more of a spandex material.
JJ has never seen Gypsy so unable to help there.
JJ also told me he plays ye card game Magic: the Gathering
My wife who used to live in Del City he played at New World Games and Comics in Del City
From Me. I know a friend in the furry community here in. Oklahoma and she is going to assist in getting a poster to the web master of an OK furry convention. I am going to take the contact info for OR and OK LE agencies. I will also mention the facts we can about Gypsy the Cat to see if we can get info on Gypsy's location or any other info about her. I am also going to take the chance that since Daryn is a known gamer and sci fi fantasy fan to see about posting the same info to the local OK cons to see if that might also help. I know people travel many miles to attend a con so nave we can get them to repost as much as possible.

BBM

JJ has never seen the cat?? They were getting ready to move in together, JJ and Daryn?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Would any of us even be here if we didn't have this compulsion to:lookingitup:???

No...and I think we need to open up a 12-step program in the back room for easy access. Because we need to repeat it over and over and over and over. And over.:floorlaugh: