OK OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

[Dallen]

OT, but I was just searching for the OKC property and woah! Starlet has property eerily close to me. I drive by it every day.

 

[Mitch1]

Okay, sleuthers, I need help, please! I have limited information on two episodes in the Jamison saga:

http://newsok.com/eufaula-man-filed-lawsuit-against-father/article/3458229



Bobby dismissed his suit over the traffic accident in March of 2007. Could it have taken nearly two and a half years to reach an out-of-court settlement and collect his money?

And then we have NS claiming that Sherilyn had a bank bag full of money with her on September 1, 2009, and that Sherilyn told her the money came from land Bobby sold to a friend.

Has anyone ever turned up any additional info about either the out-of court settlement or the land sale? Does anyone have any ideas on where else I can look? I've tried OSCN, ODCR, the websites for the McIntosh, Cleveland, and Oklahoma County assessors, Zillow, and lots of general googling on various combinations of keywords but cannot turn up any dates or dollar amounts.

I think the land Bobby sold was in OKC, but don't know if it was a vacant lot or acreage, a commercial property, or a residential property. It was apparently sold to a friend whose name I do not know, and this friend apparently gave cash plus the white truck Bobby later drove to Panola Mountain in exchange for the property. The ownership record of the truck might reveal the friend's name, but I don't have access to that info. If I did, that name might lead to the correct land sale because the records on the county assessors' websites are listed by current property owner with no option to search for a previous owner.

I have come to a dead end on both the settlement and the land sale, so if anyone is willing to take up the gauntlet and look into either one (or both!) with fresh eyes, I would be extremely grateful.

Did LE try and trace the serial numbers of those $100 bills back to any bank? I don't know what LE protocols are when it comes to discovering a butt load of money, but before handing it over to Star I would think they would have at least covered themselves and made sure it wasn't stolen.

Do you know whether or not they traced the pinging (not calls) of the cell phones?

 

[J. J. in Phila]

What is the JAMISON BOBBY DEAN ETUX ETAL Stuff about ? Bob Etux,Bob Etal..

Et ux = et uxor = "and wife"

 

[TobyWong*]

Re:window breaking. Its my understanding (from sis who is a secretary at auto window company & some googling) that LE are known to have small spring loaded tappers that's can break some glass. In a lot of new vehicles all the windows are made like the windshield, lamenated vs tempered, virtually unbreakable but in older glass they try to break a corner or tap it w/ a pick/punch type tool. It then can fully shatter if done w/ overbearing force. Or can be carefully pried out w/ something i call a black tool, small pry bar type thing. Folks of the criminal mind can use a broken spark plug also known as a "ninja rock" to shatter side or back windows. When children are locked in cars, they use the corner so glass doesn't go flying inward all over. Of course looking at a LE forum they jokingly say to use their service revolver when care for the occupants isn't an issue. I love reading those LE forums.

Now back to that phone being possibly turned off then back on? That's intriguing.

 

[TooCurious]

Can MTrooper verify there were no calls between the 9th and 11th? Or anyone else.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Did LE try and trace the serial numbers of those $100 bills back to any bank? I don't know what LE protocols are when it comes to discovering a butt load of money, but before handing it over to Star I would think they would have at least covered themselves and made sure it wasn't stolen.

Do you know whether or not they traced the pinging (not calls) of the cell phones?

I was trying to get a close up; at least we could see Federal Reserve bank issued the top bill.

 

[TooCurious]

I know this has been asked but I can't say I have seen an answer..... Why is the Eufala number "unknown"? Did it show as a private number or could they not locate the people that owned it? Has anyone seen phone records prior to the 7th? Look how active he was on the 7th and how little he was on the 8th...could he have bought a throw away phone?
On the 7th he was sure worried about missing a message or something.. He even called VM 3 times in 4 minutes. Apparently he either got the message he wanted or switched phones and to me it looks like he was waiting on info from Eufala number.
How odd is it that Sheri's phone was last used on the 5th? What's going on with that? Not to be too sexist but how many women go three days without being on the phone??

 

[Mitch1]

Ok so the bank bag (from weebly link pic) that might have held the money, might say Great Nations Bank (there is one right outside of Oklahoma City) on it.
http://okmpjamisons.weebly.com/photos.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

Did LE try and trace the serial numbers of those $100 bills back to any bank? I don't know what LE protocols are when it comes to discovering a butt load of money, but before handing it over to Star I would think they would have at least covered themselves and made sure it wasn't stolen.

Do you know whether or not they traced the pinging (not calls) of the cell phones?

Jumping off from this question regarding the $32, 000.00 found in the abandoned truck, its eventually being handed over to Star, and LE receiving documented proof of the actual origins of where the money came from(in order to determine whether the cash was legally/illegally obtained)..

IMO, LE eventually turning over the cash to Star strongly lends credence to the fact that atleast in speaking of this particular detail(ie.the origins of the large sum of cash found in the truck) that Star is speaking the truth.. Truth that IMO was substantiated and backed up by proof..thus the reason why LE did, at some point, turn over the large sum of cash to Star..

IMO, the fact that LE handed over the money to her is meaningful in that I absolutely believe that she was easily able to provide LE the documents necessary to back up where the large sum of money originated.. As we know Star claims that the large sum of cash came from a court settlement via Bobby Jr(IMO very, very likely the car accident settlement, that IMO could very, very easily have taken 2yrs to receive an actual payout)..

With Star being able to easily substantiate the origin of the large sum of cash money(via official documents of the court settlement payout), this would IMO, be a very good reason for why LE would NOT go about attempting to trace the cash.. There would be no reason to, due to the fact of Star providing official documents of the court settlement, including the exact amount paid, as well as the bank that issued the check, and exactly when/where that check was paid out in cash..

IMO, these details definitely lead me to believe that as I said, atleast on this specific aspect, that Star is being honest(with proof to back it up) that the large sum of money was a payout to Bobby Jr via a court settlement.. IMO, this is actually the origin of the large sum of money, rather than the claim that was supposedly made by Sherilyn to NS.. that the large sum of money came from Bobby Jr selling some land.. And as for the reasons why Sherilyn would lie is anyone's guess..but IMO it could be as simple as it being known that she and Bobby had many different lawsuits going on, and maybe this was something looked down upon by some people, therefor Sherilyn felt the need to say that the money came from something "more legitimate" such as her husband selling some land..

IDK..all in all its obviously jmo, but IMO, I do believe that this is a specific detail that Star is being honest and accurate about regarding the large sum of money being from a court settlement, rather than from Bobby Jr selling some land...and IMO LE's having eventually turned that $32, 000.00 over to Star, IMO lends even more credence to indeed Star having been able to easily prove, via official documents, that the money in fact did come from a perfectly legal payout, from a court settlement involving her son, Bobby Jr..

 

[Mitch1]

Jumping off from this question regarding the $32, 000.00 found in the abandoned truck, its eventually being handed over to Star, and LE receiving documented proof of the actual origins of where the money came from(in order to determine whether the cash was legally/illegally obtained)..

IMO, LE eventually turning over the cash to Star strongly lends credence to the fact that atleast in speaking of this particular detail(ie.the origins of the large sum of cash found in the truck) that Star is speaking the truth.. Truth that IMO was substantiated and backed up by proof..thus the reason why LE did, at some point, turn over the large sum of cash to Star..

IMO, the fact that LE handed over the money to her is meaningful in that I absolutely believe that she was easily able to provide LE the documents necessary to back up where the large sum of money originated.. As we know Star claims that the large sum of cash came from a court settlement via Bobby Jr(IMO very, very likely the car accident settlement, that IMO could very, very easily have taken 2yrs to receive an actual payout)..

With Star being able to easily substantiate the origin of the large sum of cash money(via official documents of the court settlement payout), this would IMO, be a very good reason for why LE would NOT go about attempting to trace the cash.. There would be no reason to, due to the fact of Star providing official documents of the court settlement, including the exact amount paid, as well as the bank that issued the check, and exactly when/where that check was paid out in cash..

IMO, these details definitely lead me to believe that as I said, atleast on this specific aspect, that Star is being honest(with proof to back it up) that the large sum of money was a payout to Bobby Jr via a court settlement.. IMO, this is actually the origin of the large sum of money, rather than the claim that was supposedly made by Sherilyn to NS.. that the large sum of money came from Bobby Jr selling some land.. And as for the reasons why Sherilyn would lie is anyone's guess..but IMO it could be as simple as it being known that she and Bobby had many different lawsuits going on, and maybe this was something looked down upon by some people, therefor Sherilyn felt the need to say that the money came from something "more legitimate" such as her husband selling some land..

IDK..all in all its obviously jmo, but IMO, I do believe that this is a specific detail that Star is being honest and accurate about regarding the large sum of money being from a court settlement, rather than from Bobby Jr selling some land...and IMO LE's having eventually turned that $32, 000.00 over to Star, IMO lends even more credence to indeed Star having been able to easily prove, via official documents, that the money in fact did come from a perfectly legal payout, from a court settlement involving her son, Bobby Jr..

What I gathered from your post is that you believe Star because you think Star produced documents that proved the money came from the Insurance settlement. Believe me when I say-that works for me, as I am not concerned with where this money originated. I am merely attempting to help the poster who is trying to pin down facts about it. I have no facts about it and have read only what Star and Niki (who I also believe to be a credible person) have said. I did not conclude what your opinion concludes about this issue, however your opinion is every bit as likely as my own. When I responded to the post I didn't think it was an opinion they were after.

By asking if there had been any mention that LE traced the serial numbers back to any particular bank I am only attempting to think of a road that can be taken to help pin down those facts.

 

[Mitch1]

Jumping off from this question regarding the $32, 000.00 found in the abandoned truck, its eventually being handed over to Star, and LE receiving documented proof of the actual origins of where the money came from(in order to determine whether the cash was legally/illegally obtained)..

IMO, LE eventually turning over the cash to Star strongly lends credence to the fact that atleast in speaking of this particular detail(ie.the origins of the large sum of cash found in the truck) that Star is speaking the truth.. Truth that IMO was substantiated and backed up by proof..thus the reason why LE did, at some point, turn over the large sum of cash to Star..

IMO, the fact that LE handed over the money to her is meaningful in that I absolutely believe that she was easily able to provide LE the documents necessary to back up where the large sum of money originated.. As we know Star claims that the large sum of cash came from a court settlement via Bobby Jr(IMO very, very likely the car accident settlement, that IMO could very, very easily have taken 2yrs to receive an actual payout)..

With Star being able to easily substantiate the origin of the large sum of cash money(via official documents of the court settlement payout), this would IMO, be a very good reason for why LE would NOT go about attempting to trace the cash.. There would be no reason to, due to the fact of Star providing official documents of the court settlement, including the exact amount paid, as well as the bank that issued the check, and exactly when/where that check was paid out in cash..

IMO, these details definitely lead me to believe that as I said, atleast on this specific aspect, that Star is being honest(with proof to back it up) that the large sum of money was a payout to Bobby Jr via a court settlement.. IMO, this is actually the origin of the large sum of money, rather than the claim that was supposedly made by Sherilyn to NS.. that the large sum of money came from Bobby Jr selling some land.. And as for the reasons why Sherilyn would lie is anyone's guess..but IMO it could be as simple as it being known that she and Bobby had many different lawsuits going on, and maybe this was something looked down upon by some people, therefor Sherilyn felt the need to say that the money came from something "more legitimate" such as her husband selling some land..

IDK..all in all its obviously jmo, but IMO, I do believe that this is a specific detail that Star is being honest and accurate about regarding the large sum of money being from a court settlement, rather than from Bobby Jr selling some land...and IMO LE's having eventually turned that $32, 000.00 over to Star, IMO lends even more credence to indeed Star having been able to easily prove, via official documents, that the money in fact did come from a perfectly legal payout, from a court settlement involving her son, Bobby Jr..

IMO even if Star could produce documents that show Bobby got that settlement, that doesn't in anyway mean that the money they found was from that. IMO when it comes to releasing $32,000 and I was the LE that was authorizing the release of that much money, I would CYA and make sure it wasn't stolen or counterfeit even if its the slightest of chances-its $32,000

 

[OkieGranny]

The reason I'm trying to track down records of the settlement and the land sale is that at this point I only know of these things by word of mouth and it would be good to see definitive proof of dates and dollar amounts.

I don't doubt Star's word that the settlement occurred and if she says Bobby's takeaway from that was $64,000, then it probably was. But that still doesn't give me a date where I can place it on the timeline.

The land sale I'm less sure about. It's possible that there never was such a sale and that Sherilyn misrepresented the origin of the money she was carrying, or that the BFF misunderstood or misremembered what she was told about it. I'd just like to see some kind of record to verify that it did take place.

As far as LE goes, I'm frankly shocked that they let go of the money at all, since finding it in the truck raised suspicions that the Jamisons were involved with drugs. I'm sure they would have seized it under forfeiture laws if they'd been able to prove that, but Star must have been able to document where it came from.

 

[nevereverever]

I will propose this to those who have a hard time considering the WPP theory

Let's just say for a moment you are Sherlyn's BFF-work with me here

We all know about WPP, we all know it in fact exist, you know it exist. However I doubt there is more than maybe 1 (by chance that is) on here who actually knows the ins and outs of such a program especially its evolution

Now lets say the federal government is about to come down big time on people in that area and lets also say this bust is also going to involve the arrest of a few LE personal also in the area. This would explain why LE was kept in the dark and why the FBI came down and pretended to investigate and LE went about it as if they were missing.

Now lets say it's Sheryln and/or Bobby who is/are witness's for the feds, requiring WPP.
These 2 individuals have 0 ties to the community-no jobs, pulled child out of school and like 1 friend. They may or may not be able to inform a family member where they are, but certainly not that friend

This would explain why her BFF is at a loss and confused and her family doesn't seem concerned much.

Imagine if it was your BFF or even your neighbor who went into a WPP, how exactly do you think it would go down and appear to you.

Two problems with this: 1) There was no major bust where LE members were arrested. 2) The family still was involved somewhat in talking about and publicizing their disappearance, which WPP absolutely DOES NOT WANT. It leads to them possibly being found, by well-meaning people like us.

There is a reason the WPP tells family that it's happening. They don't want people looking for them.

 

[Mitch1]

Two problems with this: 1) There was no major bust where LE members were arrested. 2) The family still was involved somewhat in talking about and publicizing their disappearance, which WPP absolutely DOES NOT WANT. It leads to them possibly being found, by well-meaning people like us.

There is a reason the WPP tells family that it's happening. They don't want people looking for them.

Thanks, I like a challenge (I don't mean sarcastically either)

How do you know there were no major bust where LE was arrested.
The family was not involved with publicizing it until late 2010. Even after 2010 there were lots of complaints about how little attention (publicity) a missing family was getting. Niki, Sheryln's friend was the one looking for them-WPP doesn't make friends aware of whats going on, which is why she was looking for them, and I have already said this. Also I have already stated that they do make a family member aware and I will also add they give them time to say there "goodbyes".

The problem with discounting the theory because people will publicly search for them is that we have rapid information sharing these days. Do you really think that these programs haven't had to evolve do to this, I would really step back and think about that for a moment.

Most of us have more than one or 2 relatives, and lots of us live a considerable distance from them. Back before we had the ability to rapidly share pics, news and whatever else you want, the WPP didn't have to deal with grandma and grandpa in Alaska having pics on the computer of you, they didn't have to worry about your sister and nephew in Florida who are worried about were you went as they hadn't heard from you since you texted them pics of your kid at graduation. WPP doesn't tell the entire family whats happened and there is going to be someone with all kinds of information who is going to start asking questions.
Just look at how interested we are, and we (I'm guessing) have no relation to them-imagine if you were related to them, just not immediate family.

Information is spread fast, far and wide these days and not evolving the way the program works would be a detriment to its mission.

 

[TooCurious]

Burden of proof is on law enforcement, they didn't get this money in a drug bust. She shouldn't have to prove anything except she is his mother. Holding it for evidence is one thing but confiscating/seizing is another. They have to have good reason to believe it is/was obtained through illegal means. By using the logic above, any officer can confiscate any amount you have on your person and make you prove how you obtained it or else they keep it or they could seize a large bank account and make you prove it. Regardless if it is $1.00 or $100,000 the burden is on them.. Sure they can ask questions but you don't have to answer them. All she had to prove was she was next of kin, IMO.

 

[TooCurious]

I know this has been asked but I can't say I have seen an answer..... Why is the Eufala number "unknown"? Did it show as a private number or could they not locate the people that owned it? Has anyone seen phone records prior to the 7th? Look how active he was on the 7th and how little he was on the 8th...could he have bought a throw away phone?
On the 7th he was sure worried about missing a message or something.. He even called VM 3 times in 4 minutes. Apparently he either got the message he wanted or switched phones and to me it looks like he was waiting on info from Eufala number.
How odd is it that Sheri's phone was last used on the 5th? What's going on with that? Not to be too sexist but how many women go three days without being on the phone??

So the Eufala number only called that day, the 7th, and not again on the 8th? Does anyone know the time frame when they saw the neighbor on the 7th and spoke to her? I wish Mtrooper could shed some light. It would be great to add to Okgrannie's time line.

 

[TooCurious]

Not sure why you are quoting my post or "logic", maybe you can point out to me where I said anything about confiscating/seizing anything.

My logic is regarding the circumstances it was found-abandoned, in a vehicle, were the presumed owners of that money and vehicle are no where to be found, not a (for example) random traffic stop
Also, I said that LE should CYA and make sure it isn't stolen or counterfeit before turning it over.

There were several posts about it and I grabbed the last to continue the conversation. I agree with the CYA before turning it over but was referencing the logic of making them prove where it was from that was stated in an earlier post by a different poster. I can delete your quote if you like. Personally, I don't think they should have released anything until some conclusion of what happened occurred. I am certain they lost evidence by doing this. Then again, they may have jumped to a conclusion and figured it ok to release it.

 

[Mitch1]

There were several posts about it and I grabbed the last to continue the conversation. I agree with the CYA before turning it over but was referencing the logic of making them prove where it was from that was stated in an earlier post by a different poster. I can delete your quote if you like. Personally, I don't think they should have released anything until some conclusion of what happened occurred. I am certain they lost evidence by doing this. Then again, they may have jumped to a conclusion and figured it ok to release it.

Well whoda thunk it-I agree with all dat. Yes please delete my post and use what ever one is best. I got enough to deal with having to explain my own theory

 

[Still_Seek_Answers]

I am jumping in here at the middle because I am not understanding one thing......how is it that Star has the right to do anything with their things? Wouldn't that right instead belong to the son, as next of kin?

 

[TobyWong*]

I am jumping in here at the middle because I am not understanding one thing......how is it that Star has the right to do anything with their things? Wouldn't that right instead belong to the son, as next of kin?

Just guessing but mayne because he was a minor.
I just find it curious that Star is the main money person in this whole saga. Or to me she is one of the main players that run throught this entire story. She's around during the custody issues. She's living w/ them at times. She has a lot to say. She gets the will of sr. I wonder if she had something to say about Sherilynn's commitment, though i know it was a suicide attempt, i also know at that time of crisis family memebrs tend to speak or have input in what is documented as to reasons why someone is in that frail of a state of mind. She gets the windfall of all of this. Imo. Like I've said I have basic knowledge of this case she just seems to be the most reoccurring player in a lot of aspects. I'm sure over the years its been discussed. Now I will spend another day of my life reading more....