OK OK - Jamison Family: Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned 08 Oct 2009 - #12

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The odd case of the Jamisons takes its place in the never-to-be-solved Dark Quartet which also includes the Freeman murders and Freedom/Bible disappearances in rural Welch; the murders of Bill and Leota Hul, also of rural Welch; and the killing of Pastor Carol Daniels at her church in Anadarko.
 
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I still strongly suspect flat out murder. If it was a suicide/murder scenario (i.e. a fatal overdose of all 3 so no weapon would be found) why take all that cash with you, why take the dog with you, and why not dispense with the dog in some fashion?
I still say it was an accidental death not murder or murder/suicide. They intended on returning to the truck where they kept the money and left their dog. If someone else killed them, the dog would have been let out of the truck and the money would be gone, imo.
 
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Nothing points to murder/suicide to ME! If you're going to kill yourself, and the rest of your family, then why bring the money? And not kill the dog as well? Where is the murder weapon? If one person became injured, why didn't the other leave for help? Even if a snake bite, one adult could have went to the truck for the phones!

For whatever reason, I feel this family was murdered. Maybe the stumbled upon something others didn't want them to see. Or maybe someone they had recently talked to about moving there got local talk and didn't want them on the mountain. As to why no one took the money, because no one knew or suspected the family would have THAT amount of cash with them! If they robbed, it would have been for whatever amount they had in on their body, not the truck.

I guess it's one case I'll wonder about for awhile. Had the bodies been found away from each other, then I would think about one leaving for help and getting lost or hurt themself....but no way 3 people just died together. Doesn't up even with mental illness, or chronic pain. Just doesn't make sense!

As for the walking, I can't speak for everyone with chronic pain, only myself. There's days I can barely walk to the mail box and back. Yet there's days I mow the lawn, work the garden, etc. There's no rhyme or reason in my case of why I have worse pain on some days than others. And sometimes I can have a burst of energy, be in the middle of a project, and BAM pain hits so hard I have to go lay down, or sit down if I'm away from home. Still doesn't answer why all 3 were in the same place at death.
 
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If someone else killed them, the dog would have been let out of the truck and the money would be gone, imo.
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That's if the killer had access to the truck. They may have left the vehicle locked and walked into the bush where they were confronted. I doubt they were killed at the truck and all three carried to where the remains were located. Presumably there would have been some forensic evidence (drag marks, footprints, blood?) in proximity to the truck to substantiate that scenario. JMO
 
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It's possible the hunters who found the bodies may have taken Sherilynn's gun before notifying LE, IF it was there at the scene and said nothing about finding it. In some states, a gun is worth it's weight in gold.
 
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It's possible the hunters who found the bodies may have taken Sherilynn's gun before notifying LE, IF it was there at the scene and said nothing about finding it. In some states, a gun is worth it's weight in gold.
Guns are easily available in OK. Anyone low enough to have taken the gun wouldn't also have reported the bodies. Anything's possible, but -- really -- most things in effect are not, logically speaking.
 
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Nothing points to murder/suicide to ME! If you're going to kill yourself, and the rest of your family, then why bring the money? And not kill the dog as well? Where is the murder weapon? If one person became injured, why didn't the other leave for help? Even if a snake bite, one adult could have went to the truck for the phones!

For whatever reason, I feel this family was murdered. Maybe the stumbled upon something others didn't want them to see. Or maybe someone they had recently talked to about moving there got local talk and didn't want them on the mountain. As to why no one took the money, because no one knew or suspected the family would have THAT amount of cash with them! If they robbed, it would have been for whatever amount they had in on their body, not the truck.

I guess it's one case I'll wonder about for awhile. Had the bodies been found away from each other, then I would think about one leaving for help and getting lost or hurt themself....but no way 3 people just died together. Doesn't up even with mental illness, or chronic pain. Just doesn't make sense!

As for the walking, I can't speak for everyone with chronic pain, only myself. There's days I can barely walk to the mail box and back. Yet there's days I mow the lawn, work the garden, etc. There's no rhyme or reason in my case of why I have worse pain on some days than others. And sometimes I can have a burst of energy, be in the middle of a project, and BAM pain hits so hard I have to go lay down, or sit down if I'm away from home. Still doesn't answer why all 3 were in the same place at death.

Excellent comments!

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The odd case of the Jamisons takes its place in the never-to-be-solved Dark Quartet which also includes the Freeman murders and Freedom/Bible disappearances in rural Welch; the murders of Bill and Leota Hul, also of rural Welch; and the killing of Pastor Carol Daniels at her church in Anadarko.

The Freeman/Bible disappearance is one I've followed for years and honestly can't even come up with a guess as to what has happened there. My heart just breaks for Lauria's parents and I think about that case often. Thank you so much for mentioning the Hul murders, because I didn't realize it was the same area. I'll be sleuthing that one for sure. The Pastor Carol murder is just incomprehensible. (Do we happen to have threads for the Huls or Pastor Carol?)

I agree, the Jamisons case is just as baffling. Like the other cases, it seems so easily solvable on the surface, but the endless possibilities make solving it unlikely without some substantial breakthrough.
 
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View attachment 74965 This is probably not related in anyway what so ever, I just saw this picture on social media today and I was floored by how much this little girl looks like madyson and how much the man looks like Bobby. Woman looks nothing like sherilyn though. Also I looked and I saw an article from Tulsa world news or something saying the remains found have been positively ID'D as the Jamisons, however the medical examiner could not determine a cause of death... I'll edit to add link to article in a minute. I just hadn't seen anything on here about the remains being identified.

http://m.tulsaworld.com/news/state/...42d-69b5-5d66-a6f7-4bb7f5ca4551.html?mode=jqm

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<rsbm>

That's if the killer had access to the truck. They may have left the vehicle locked and walked into the bush where they were confronted. I doubt they were killed at the truck and all three carried to where the remains were located. Presumably there would have been some forensic evidence (drag marks, footprints, blood?) in proximity to the truck to substantiate that scenario. JMO
Granted, I don't think they were killed at the truck either, but if someone did kill them...they knew the Jamisons had not walked to the mountain site.

Still, there were no bullet holes or anything to say what happened to this family was murder. There is zero evidence to support the theory of murder. No forensics. No knife marks on the bones. No weapon. No crime scene. No robbery. Nothing points to foul play other than people do not want to believe anything else.
 
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Granted, I don't think they were killed at the truck either, but if someone did kill them...they knew the Jamisons had not walked to the mountain site.

Still, there were no bullet holes or anything to say what happened to this family was murder. There is zero evidence to support the theory of murder. No forensics. No knife marks on the bones. No weapon. No crime scene. No robbery. Nothing points to foul play other than people do not want to believe anything else.

My opinions only, no facts here:

I previously made a ton of posts on the Websleuths' Jamison Family threads. I just want you all to know that I am not barging in here from the hinterlands! I am not a TROLL but I can be DROLL and even self-effacing (a deliberate redundancy).

On Websleuths on Jan. 20, 2012, I stated: "The three missing people are somewhere within a few miles of where they disappeared.&#8221; The Jamison Family remains were subsequently found in mid-Nov. of 2013, about three miles from where they disappeared. I made this correct prediction under the theory that an external crime had occurred. If I believed on Jan. 20, 2012 that no external crime had occurred, I would not have estimated that particular distance. If I believed on Jan. 20, 2012 that no external crime had occurred, my estimate of the distance to the Jamison Family would have been MUCH larger than a 'few miles'.

First, I acknowledge that your post may be 100% correct. So the possibilty that your post could be correct is not in dispute by me. Of course, I have my own opinions, but they are just that- my opinions only. But, I want to talk about the application of logic (brought to us by the "wise men of antiquity"- this is just a historical phrase; there were also MANY wise women of antiquity in Greece, for example Diotama, Sappho, etc.).

The absence of evidence about cause of death can lead to an 'argumentum ad ignorantiam' logic, that is to say- the assertion that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). By design, this logical argument shifts the burden of proof to other posters. Further, argumentum ad ignorantiam logic does not accurately portray the factual number of possible outcomes. Here are the four factual possible outcomes:

1) it is true that the Jamison Family died from causes other than external criminal activity.
2) it is false that the Jamison Family died from causes other than external criminal activity.
3) it is equally unknown whether outcomes #1 or #2 are correct.
4) it is not possible to determine which of the three above outcomes are correct.

OK, enough Ivory Tower-stuff. How can three people be murdered without any trace of bullet or knife marks on their bones OR evidence of crushing of the hyoid? Easy-peasy, but it requires that the murderer carefully planned this event and desired that the cause of death be difficult to determine AND, frankly, it might require that the skeletal remains were planted well after the crime to reinforce the image of a voluntary family suicide or accidental death from exposure. The victims could be forced into any sort of sealed wooden or metal box, and kept there for an hour or so, until all oxygen was used up. The victims could have been kept in a wooden or metal box until they died from exposure or dehydration. The victims could have been forced into any suitable sealed and lockable metal container, which was then filled with water. The victims could have been completely restrained with rope and then duct tape placed over their faces or plastic bags over their heads. The victims could have been forced to drink a liquid containing cyanide or nicotine (yes, nicotine!) or any another similarly fast-acting poison. The victims could have been given liquids or other substances with large complements of barbituates. And on and on and on.

I am working with a lot of cases right now, but I will resurrect my previous posts here, update them, and present a theory about what could have happened, and why it happened. Even with all of this, SeriouslySearching may still be correct. It IS possible that no external crime has occurred, as presented in logical outcome #1, above.

Everything in this post represents my opinions only.

Sleuth On!
 
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Thanks, wfgodot! I'm not too familiar with that case, so I have some catching up to do.
 
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Over the last few weeks, I've been looking over missing cases across OK and I am just blown away with how many there are here on WS. I've never even heard of 90% of them.
 
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Over the last few weeks, I've been looking over missing cases across OK and I am just blown away with how many there are here on WS. I've never even heard of 90% of them.
You'd also be surprised at how many of the Oklahoma cases have a possible Meth connection... I try to stay up to date on OK cases, but lately it seems almost like there's an increase...

Who am I? I am that tiny voice in the back of your mind which encourages you to be who you choose to be as long as you are truthful to yourself. I am that tiny voice in the back of your mind that encourages you to reach higher. I am that tiny voice in the back of your mind that makes you understand that you are a survivor...that you are important...that you matter.
 
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Hi, I'm new here to the jamison forum! I've followed this case on and off ever since this family went missing because I don't live in America so I forgot about it now and then. I have always thought that it's something to do with drugs. I'm still on forum #5 so I have ALOT more reading to do, I've literally read 5 forums in about 3 days! Super tiring lol. I know that their bodies were found, I only just found that out a few days ago and its already been nearly 2 years since they were found. yet still no answers ? Reading at the beginning I know one of sherilynns friends was in here and said that it couldn't possibly be drugs etc, yet I believe she also mentioned that both of them had done meth previously. My thought is that they could well have been doing drugs again but behind closed doors so nobody knew about it. Just because nobody saw them doing drugs again doesn't mean they weren't. Did Madison really have an imaginary friend that she talked to? Or could that have been something that wasn't real at all and just something that sherilynn thought was happening in her mind? About the divorce, seems to me like they had quickly changed their minds and were trying to make things work out by finding somewhere in a rural area to live? If they were doing drugs, maybe this was a step they wanted to take so that they could get clean and have a better life AND at the same time have nobody from the drug scene be able to find where they live. Just my thoughts on this case :) btw you guys are so amazing at trying to solve this case!! Right.. Back to forum #5 lol!

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Sorry I have not been around lately. I had a death in the family and the last several months have taken up dealing with that. There is a similar case to the Jamisons in Pushmataha county just to the south of Latimer county. Jeffrey Ben disappeared in 2001 and his remains were not found until 2006. Read the attached article from Findagrave.com at "http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39734591". This may have nothing to do with the Jamisons, but it is eerily similar.
 
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Sorry I have not been around lately. I had a death in the family and the last several months have taken up dealing with that. There is a similar case to the Jamisons in Pushmataha county just to the south of Latimer county. Jeffrey Ben disappeared in 2001 and his remains were not found until 2006. Read the attached article from Findagrave.com at "http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=39734591". This may have nothing to do with the Jamisons, but it is eerily similar.
The Jeffrey Ben WS thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?8314-OK-Jeffrey-Ben-18-Clayton-29-Jan-2001
 
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