OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #10

[JackAMW]

Perps didn't know money was there, dog didn't matter and would be evidence if someone recognized it, also to add confusion to case

 

[Oriah]

Perps didn't know money was there, dog didn't matter and would be evidence if someone recognized it, also to add confusion to case

Hmm. I would think if someone wanted to make sure not to leave evidence behind, they would have gone through the vehicle to make sure nothing incriminating was there. The cell phones would be a bit of a problem. And the money would have been easily enough found- it was pretty much right there. That much money and that bold of a criminal- I would think hard to pass up the cash? Unless you're saying that in a possible kidnapping scenario, the kidnapper(s) were aware of the money ahead of time and chose not to take with because it could be traced?
Thing is, it can be traced anyway, by the serial #'s. So that wouldn't have worked.
And in this scenario, did the kidnappers come back in intervals and feed/water/let out the dog?

 

[JackAMW]

How long was the dog there, how long was the truck there? How does anyone know and why did they not check the truck?

 

[Oriah]

How long was the dog there, how long was the truck there? How does anyone know and why did they not check the truck?

There are several witnesses who claim the truck was there for 10 days, who saw and spoke with the Jamisons. LE claims the dog was likely in the vehicle the entire time. There is a ton of discussion on these issues in many of the earlier threads.

 

[JackAMW]

That makes no sense, the dog should have died from no water and food, who were the witnesses, where do they live, where did they see the Jamisons, why did they not check the truck and how many times did they see it? That is the key as that seems rather suspious. In that country, if a vehicle is seen somewhere, it is checked out by locals to see if someone needs help and watched until moved. People are clickish and clanish in Little Dixie and suspious of everything and everyone, I doubt anyone saw that vehicle sitting there and did not check it out, see the dog inside and not call someone.
I dont know anything about the case other then what I finding and dont like to go over everything as that tends to convalute things, I would rather track their last steps and movements.
Having said that, I would feel that someone that lived there close would know a lot more then what they have let out, possibly know who took them. It seems very evident that the were taken either by force or trickery. I do not feel that they would be anywhere near the location of the vehicle. Now where to take them? The closest and most desolute area would be Middle Mountain that would have access and places to rid the bodies without trespassers and looker ons, that mountain is also a marker that can be seen from a good distance, so it would be in their minds as the perp could glance at it and decide it would be a good place to go. Perps would have to know the area, was there a gas well or some kind of lay down yard close to Jamison's truck?
If so, Perps could have worked with gas and oil because they would know the dirt roads and lanes, or they could be hunters and poachers that use those roads and know them.
Jody Wilson was from right down the road about 12 miles or so in Wister, her body was dumped on Poteau Mountain, 14 miles away and is next to Middle Mountain, because, in my opinon, her husband worked on gas wells and knew the roads and HE, along with his father, dumped her body there, never thinking that a hang glider would fly over and find her. Middle Mountain has no place for hang gliding
I just know the country, area, and the people and how to track
As to MO, could have stumbled upon something or could have been set up by someone that needed what they had or was to get, few other choices
As to how they were taken, likely more than one perp using guns, perps will be known by someone very close to the location taken or where truck found. Likely used threats to woman and girl to control. Should have been footprints but if it takes 10 days to know they are gone, then there is a problem there.
Possible family member involved or someone they trusted. Possible church, gang, group, cult type thing, drug activity very possible, if so, could explain money and dog left because meth heads brains are screwed up with no normal rational thinking and they may have overlooked it, who knows?
I dont think they could have gotten very far from the whole area there

 

[Oriah]

Yep.
Welcome to the insanity of the Jamison's case, JackAMW!

 

[wfgodot]

I'm still hung up on the Porum factor - Porum, because, I think, subconsciously the name reminds me of Porlock, the town in England where the salesman whose knock at the door interrupted Coleridge's opium reverie whilst "dreaming" his poem Kubla Khan, was from.

Driven mad by the Jamison case, you say? Who, me?

 

[JackAMW]

There will always be a simple explanation, what is it in this case?

 

[JackAMW]

Yes, I see someone else in the truck. drove to that location, why?
Could they have picked up or dropped off amount of drugs in Porum and was followed, robbed of remaining drugs, overlooking money? Taken somewhere to keep them or kill them? Someone took them for sure, I need to check more into their backgrounds, do they have family in Salisaw? What is the deal with the airport there, are they connected to it? Did they seem paranoid before? Who is Joe?

 

[Soulmagent]

Hmm. I would think if someone wanted to make sure not to leave evidence behind, they would have gone through the vehicle to make sure nothing incriminating was there. The cell phones would be a bit of a problem. And the money would have been easily enough found- it was pretty much right there. That much money and that bold of a criminal- I would think hard to pass up the cash? Unless you're saying that in a possible kidnapping scenario, the kidnapper(s) were aware of the money ahead of time and chose not to take with because it could be traced?
Thing is, it can be traced anyway, by the serial #'s. So that wouldn't have worked.
And in this scenario, did the kidnappers come back in intervals and feed/water/let out the dog?

I think it is important that only Sherlyn's money is missing. I thought about and if I got alot of money ,how I would be excited about what I had been given. The money that was part of a split most likey would not be mentioned. Only what belonged to me ,would I talk about because the rest of it was not mine to consider. KWIM? Bobbys money was right there the whole time. I could really envision Sherlyn talking about only her part with select people. If Bobby money was known about by someone close or even somebody who knew the house and knew they were not coming back when that was not found ,the house would have been searched for it ,next the truck again. the person would know about the video cam..etc.. a mean a theif is a theif and knowing you only have half of what you know they had when they arent coming back?

 

[Oriah]

I think it is important that only Sherlyn's money is missing. I thought about and if I got alot of money ,how I would be excited about what I had been given. The money that was part of a split most likey would not be mentioned. Only what belonged to me ,would I talk about because the rest of it was not mine to consider. KWIM? Bobbys money was right there the whole time. I could really envision Sherlyn talking about only her part with select people. If Bobby money was known about by someone close or even somebody who knew the house and knew they were not coming back when that was not found ,the house would have been searched for it ,next the truck again. the person would know about the video cam..etc.. a mean a theif is a theif and knowing you only have half of what you know they had when they arent coming back?

Soul, do you mean you think Sherilyn had her portion of the money in the truck as well?

 

[Soulmagent]

Soul, do you mean you think Sherilyn had her portion of the money in the truck as well?

Was it ever accounted for?

 

[Oriah]

Quite honestly, I don't know that ANY of the money is accounted for. All we have is that there was money found in the truck. And then LE gave it 'back.'

So who knows??

 

[JackAMW]

Breaking news
Another female body found Tue, 1/17/2012 around sundown, in Heavener Runestone Park
Body is local teacher, possible suicide but believed to have been abducted and murdered at this time

 

[JackAMW]

<modsnip>, there are no other homes on Middle Mountain other than the compound of homes that I mentioned.
They very well may be alive in that area or they may well be dead. Why dye the girls hair blond if they were going to Mexico, seems it would call for a darker color to not stand out? I have to go into Mexico a lot and passports are needed to cross!
It is evident that you do not get further south than Poteau because Middle Mountain is by Heavener, not Poteau which is 14 miles away
<modsnip>

 

[wfgodot]

Breaking news
Another female body found Tue, 1/17/2012 around sundown, in Heavener Runestone Park
Body is local teacher, possible suicide but believed to have been abducted and murdered at this time

Still not finding this in MSM. Any link possible?

 

[Creole]

Link to article....

http://www.poteaudailynews.com/content/breaking-news-death-runestone-state-park

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January 17, 2012




UPDATE:

ACCORDING TO LEFLORE COUNTY SHERIFF BRUCE CURNUTT THE DEATH THAT OCCURRED TUESDAY EVENING AT THE RUNESTONE PARK IS BEING TREATED AS A SUICIDE. THE DETAILS OF THE INCIDENT NOR THE NAME OF THE DECEASED WILL NOT BE RELEASED. THE BODY HAS BEEN SENT TO THE STATE MEDICAL EXAMINERS OFFICE.

Authorities with the LeFlore County Sheriffs Department, the Heavener Police Department and the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation were called to the scene of a death late Tuesday evening at the Heavener Runestone Park. Details had not been released as of press time regarding the circumstances surrounding the death. As of press time, LeFlore County Sheriff Bruce Curnutt was still on scene and unavailable for comment.
PDN will continue to follow this story on our website and "

 

[Oriah]

I am confused as to how we would know this has or might have anything to do with the Jamison's... what the heck is the 'believed to be abducted and murdered'- but a suicide- but no details released? Is there something I am missing as to released info as to this individual??
Help!

 

[JackAMW]

I am confused as to how we would know this has or might have anything to do with the Jamison's... what the heck is the 'believed to be abducted and murdered'- but a suicide- but no details released? Is there something I am missing as to released info as to this individual??
Help!

I had mentioned Poteau and Middle Mountain earlier on this thread, that is where the latest body was found, nothing more than that. Has nothing to do with the Jamisons that I know of, <modsnip> Someone that asked me to come here and help.
The new body found was a teacher at a local school. This can also be seen as how dangerous those mountains really are.
LE is treating it as of last night as a suicide but it is said has shifted to perhaps murder now
As I said it has nothing to do with the Jamisons

 

[wfgodot]

what the heck is the 'believed to be abducted and murdered'- but a suicide- but no details released?

Got to remember, O., that this IS Oklahoma we're talking about.