Wouldn't it be nice if Beauchamp was still available for comment?
OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs and Dog Found Abandoned, 8 Oct 2009 - #10
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Wouldn't it be nice if Beauchamp was still available for comment?
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Here is a recap that Noway did early on. There's a lot of useful information:
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IMO, mental illness is the most simple of all the explanations. Between 20-30% of Americans, who are the age of Bobby and his wife, had a mental illness last year.
8.4 million American adults had serious thoughts of suicide in the past year.
2.2 million American individuals made plans to commit suicide last year.
One million Americans attempted suicide last year.
In addition, unemployed adults are twice as likely to have serious thoughts of suicide compared to those who are fully employed.
http://psychology.about.com/b/2010/...ricans-experienced-mental-illness-in-2009.htm
Okay, now I am getting what you were trying to say. Let me see if I actually do. Are you saying that either both or one committed suicide as a result of the mental illness. And if only one then they committed murder beforehand? Is that the reason you have been so persistent on the mental illness aspect? Because I gotta say that if one or both went up there with that in mind, seems like they would have made other arrangements for the dog- even leaving it at home. And dont people planning suicide (now I am no mental health expert) start giving away prized possesions beforehand? Seems like to me that they would have given the money to somebody instead of leaving it in the truck for whoever happened upon it. I mean, isnt SJs son almost out of high school? Seems like she could have put it in an account for his college at the very least...... things, imo, just do not add up to the whole suicide or murder/suicide scenario. But then again, Im just an average person with no LE or health experience.
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You and I would make arrangement for our dogs and our money because we are thinking rationally. People who are severely depressed/psychotic/delusional make very irrational and bizarre decisions.
The missing bodies are very bizarre for a murder-suicide. One of them could have killed the other two, buried them/sunk them in a lake, but then where is this person's body or his clothing/shoes if he/she was eaten by animals? Weird!!!
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Oriah ,
Have you ever gotten a reply from the assisting SAR team on the mountain?
Do we have any clue as to how the mountain was gridded and searched and what that radius was?
Potter right?
Also I am still pondering the release of all items of value. I am trying to find a motivation for them doing so ,since they could have held the truck ,and sold it as unclaimed property or siezed it for what might be indefinitly. Whatever it is they do with cars the owners cannot get to.
Starr would have had to file paperwork and fight to get it released to her. The LE dept would have made money from an impound or an auction ,etc.. so no it doesnt make much since but I have heard that I.B is a nice guy.
Not only did they mess up by giving away the evidence or personal stuff. They cut themselves out of money for their tax payers.
Thanks for posting that link Wfgodot. I went looking then decided to finish reading . I love when I make the right choices.:woohoo:
Do you also happen to have the "no evidence of any crime." I.B stated before he said'' it is like they just walked away'' ?
I think the statement is interesting considering he gave all the evidence away...but I dont have a link.
Have you ever gotten a reply from the assisting SAR team on the mountain?
Do we have any clue as to how the mountain was gridded and searched and what that radius was?
Potter right?
Also I am still pondering the release of all items of value. I am trying to find a motivation for them doing so ,since they could have held the truck ,and sold it as unclaimed property or siezed it for what might be indefinitly. Whatever it is they do with cars the owners cannot get to.
Starr would have had to file paperwork and fight to get it released to her. The LE dept would have made money from an impound or an auction ,etc.. so no it doesnt make much since but I have heard that I.B is a nice guy.
Not only did they mess up by giving away the evidence or personal stuff. They cut themselves out of money for their tax payers.
Thanks for posting that link Wfgodot. I went looking then decided to finish reading . I love when I make the right choices.:woohoo:
Do you also happen to have the "no evidence of any crime." I.B stated before he said'' it is like they just walked away'' ?
I think the statement is interesting considering he gave all the evidence away...but I dont have a link.
Exactly, 'weird!!' is right. That is why I do not buy this theory. Im gonna have to disagree with you further- you and I would have made arrangements for our dogs and our money because we are thinking RATIONALLY? I know that you are the verified mental health nurse, but I would think that ANYBODY contemplating suicide, whether due to ongoing mental health issues or just life threw them a curve ball, is thinking irrational because we all know that tomorrow is another day. You have to admit that is true.
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Ending one's life is not a rational decision to me. Some people with mental illness do not have have delusions or hallucinations. They may make sad and poor choices that they have thought about for some time. Others are psychotic and see and hear things that are not there. People having hallucinations or delusions cannot make rational decisions.
Okay, now you are confusing me. Are you agreeing now, that anyone contemplating suicide (whether due to mental illness or just because of lifes ups and downs) is not thinking clearly and would be irrational? If you agree with the previous statement, then you would have to agree with me in that you and I, in the situation of contemplating suicide, would do irrational things. People contemplating suicide will generally give away thier prized possesions.
http://veteranscrisisline.net/SignsOfCrisis/Identifying.aspx?gclid=CL-Qw-Cc6K0CFQVwhwodLTod6A
Their behavior may be dramatically different from their normal behavior, or they may appear to be actively contemplating or preparing for a suicidal act through behaviors such as:
Performing poorly at work or school
Acting recklessly or engaging in risky activitiesseemingly without thinking
Showing violent behavior such as punching holes in walls, getting into fights or self-destructive violence; feeling rage or uncontrolled anger or seeking revenge
Looking as though one has a death wish, tempting fate by taking risks that could lead to death, such as driving fast or running red lights
Giving away prized possessions
Putting affairs in order, tying up loose ends, and/or making out a will
Seeking access to firearms, pills, or other means of harming oneself
****The fifth bullet above is what I am referring to when I say that they would have given away the dog and the money among other things prior to going to the property if they indeed were going to kill themselves.
Also, having said that, why would someone go to an unfamiliar spot to end thier life? Seems to be alot of trouble when they could have accomplished the same at thier home.
Not in my opinion.
BBM: Nope.
And I don't understand the grids. Sorry- wish I had a better explanation.
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There is more than one "type" of depression and multiple symptoms. People with Major Depression do not always have psychotic features, but if their depression is left untreated or is inadequately treated their likelihood of developing a psychosis increases. Psychotic people do not behave rationally (give away their possession, take care of their pets, remember it is dangerous to carry huge sums of money with them). People who are psychotic are at a much higher risk of suicide because they may act impulsively on a delusion they experienced. (Example: The demons just told me they were going to take our souls, so I must kill myself/my family now to go to Heaven.)
IMO, the bizarre behavior of asking the pastor about shooting demons, stating that he had seen demons on his roof, walking around and stopping/staring at things that were not there, and walking like in a trance were signs of psychosis. Because Bobby had been diagnosed as having Major Depression, it appears that he might have become psychotic with his depression.
http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/psychotic-depression
http://www.hopevancouver.com/Symptoms_of_Psychosis.html
His wife was diagnosed as bipolar. People with Manic Depression can become delusional when they don't take their meds. One of the articles stated that she did not take her meds and she had signs of delusional behavior. She spray painted bizarre delusional statements on the side of the cargo container related to witches and other expressed delusional ideas. Psychotic people do not behave rationally and this is an example of irrational behavior.
http://www.pendulum.org/diagnosis.html
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News article? Criminal record? public record?
I wont lie I really want to hear the name,but forum rules.
Was the truck they were in, one of the two vehicles that were given to the little girl by her grandfather, Bobby Sr as reported in Count 2, paragraph 11 of the Petition?
It is also stated that Sr had done something to the family in the past and that Bobby Sr was into booze and drugs. That is where we need to look not at the son's addiction so much.
The petition was thrown out by the judge after presentation and both sides ordered to split the costs, I did not see anywhere that it was decided by the families
The Mother that had divorced Sr did not contest anything
With Sr going into the nursing home before the 'vanishings', if he had anything to do with it, someone would have had to have done it for him or someone was angry with the family because of the way the father was treated or thought they were owed money or lost money to them
There is one glaring example that is mentioned as a witness and must have had some kind of dealing with the gas station in question in OKC as that is where he is listed as living, now if this person would have felt that he was put out in someway or another or that a close relative of his was, he might want to seek revenge
Also in all of that info posted there was something about Sr owning several business ventures, were any in dirt work or construction? Take the bodies to a work site, dig a hole with a backhoe, dump them in and pour lime over them, drop stabilized sand over that which will harden like concrete
I just dont understand why that local reported only seeing the Jamisons on both days but no one else?
It is also stated that Sr had done something to the family in the past and that Bobby Sr was into booze and drugs. That is where we need to look not at the son's addiction so much.
The petition was thrown out by the judge after presentation and both sides ordered to split the costs, I did not see anywhere that it was decided by the families
The Mother that had divorced Sr did not contest anything
With Sr going into the nursing home before the 'vanishings', if he had anything to do with it, someone would have had to have done it for him or someone was angry with the family because of the way the father was treated or thought they were owed money or lost money to them
There is one glaring example that is mentioned as a witness and must have had some kind of dealing with the gas station in question in OKC as that is where he is listed as living, now if this person would have felt that he was put out in someway or another or that a close relative of his was, he might want to seek revenge
Also in all of that info posted there was something about Sr owning several business ventures, were any in dirt work or construction? Take the bodies to a work site, dig a hole with a backhoe, dump them in and pour lime over them, drop stabilized sand over that which will harden like concrete
I just dont understand why that local reported only seeing the Jamisons on both days but no one else?
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Who? Why?
There had been a court petition and a restraining order made, three dead cats were found, they might have been left as a warning much as the Arkansas Democrat had happen recently. That shows that something was going on, possibly in retaliation for the court issues
As to who, someone close to a family member that was wronged?
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