OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #9

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  • #401
Do we know for a fact that no photos were taken of the window or of the dog, though? Perhaps we are only seeing a few of the photographs that were taken and not all of them were released.

Again, I just wonder why LE would lie about how they got into the truck -- or why they would lie about the dog.

BBM:
Part of the problem here (see above post) is that as redfish says, the photos taken 'at the scene' do not show evidence of either a dog, or a broken window. Photos taken much later show what appears to be evidence of a broken window. Those pictures were taken after the truck was released.

If there are evidence photos taken of the either the dog or the broken window at the time of the discovery, I'd sure like to see them. (I think I've seen all taken- of course could be wrong...)

And while I don't understand why LE would lie about the dog and/or the breaking of the window... I conversely can't see why photos of either would be withheld. Kwim?

I don't think they exist- because I don't think that's the way things happened.
Jmvho, of course.
 
  • #402
According to this English major's inexact count - and depending on when they were actually last seen - the Jamisons have now been missing for 688 days. Looks like FtJ hasn't made much progress, regrettably; has anyone been brave enough to check Topix lately? The latest post I find on there begins, in re: the thread's 206 pages, "Well, this certainly has been a wealth of information (and disinformation)." Amen and hallelujah to that. Pass the wine bottle.

wfgodot, I already have a visine addiction and am not feeling very brave today... so thank you for keeping up.

Oh, and :toast:
 
  • #403
BBM:
Part of the problem here (see above post) is that as redfish says, the photos taken 'at the scene' do not show evidence of either a dog, or a broken window. Photos taken much later show what appears to be evidence of a broken window. Those pictures were taken after the truck was released.

If there are evidence photos taken of the either the dog or the broken window at the time of the discovery, I'd sure like to see them. (I think I've seen all taken- of course could be wrong...)

And while I don't understand why LE would lie about the dog and/or the breaking of the window... I conversely can't see why photos of either would be withheld. Kwim?

I don't think they exist- because I don't think that's the way things happened.
Jmvho, of course.

Exactly. I wasn't implying that LE wouldn't lie. I was seriously wondering WHY they would in this case. Why would they lie about how they got into the truck? Either it was unlocked or it was locked and they broke the window. Either there was a half-dead dog in the truck or there wasn't. What puzzles me is why LE would invent parts of this story instead of going with what REALLY happened -- and what REALLY happened?

Such a huge part of me leans towards the "Handyman" (or meth making partner?). They vanished awfully soon after that incident happened. I would be surprised if he was shot at and then just let Sherilyn off the hook for it. Again, I wonder what his alibi was, and I wonder what his buddies' alibis were (I doubt that they were interviewed).

ETA: It IS possible that LE just simply did not take pictures of the dog and the window. There are flaws in all investigations, I'd imagine.
 
  • #404
RE: broken window in the truck: I of course can't find the photo now, but I remember very clearly seeing a photograph of the truck parked at their home with the rear passenger window broken out. It was covered in black plastic. I thought that I saw this in an album on the FTJs Facebook page, but I've not yet found it. Anyone else remember this photo?

ETA: What reason would the sheriff have to lie about how they got into the locked truck?

I remember the photo and I believe the black plastic was on the drivers said and had a guy in the photo ,who looked like he might be getting ready to get into the truck, and it was taken a while later.

Disclaimer ! I might be wrong but I believe I am right but doesnt everyone who is wrong think the are right??
 
  • #405
An officer would have a slim jim.

And would photo the broken window ,in terms that would I.D the truck as th same truck right?

Who took the photos of the house and the context container and when, and again what is in the white sheet on the right side of the container?

The pictures of the Jamisons yard bother me the most. I cant put my finger on it.
 
  • #406
According to this English major's inexact count - and depending on when they were actually last seen - the Jamisons have now been missing for 688 days. Looks like FtJ hasn't made much progress, regrettably; has anyone been brave enough to check Topix lately? The latest post I find on there begins, in re: the thread's 206 pages, "Well, this certainly has been a wealth of information (and disinformation)." Amen and hallelujah to that. Pass the wine bottle.

*coughs*...*winks & waves*..rather obvious I thought. With the seemingly cross forum...umm.."distaste"..I thought it best not to leave too of a big a bread crumb trail.

I like and appreciate the common courtesy, actual intelligent discussion, and thank heaven SANITY of members on this forum..*shrugs*..I didn't wish to instigate its ruin with a glaring neon sign stating "go here"....*shrugs* *smiles*
 
  • #407
Sadly, I don't believe anyone at this point, lol.

So much of the info is unsubstantiated.... it's all become one huge lie to me. :(

(Oh, and yeah- it wasn't LE that broke that window, IMO. At least not when the vehicle was initially found.)
 
  • #408
Sadly, I don't believe anyone at this point, lol.

So much of the info is unsubstantiated.... it's all become one huge lie to me. :(

(Oh, and yeah- it wasn't LE that broke that window, IMO. At least not when the vehicle was initially found.)

Yeah I was just thinking a similar thing. I come here and try to walk through those 2 days with the Jamisons... I can do that to a point and then my mind screams that it doesn't add up. I try to make myself believe "the story" and I just keep coming back to its just a story. I don't believe they are living happily ever after on an island somewhere. I do see a lot of behind the scenes manipulation going on before and after this event took place.
 
  • #409
Sadly, I don't believe anyone at this point, lol.

So much of the info is unsubstantiated.... it's all become one huge lie to me. :(

(Oh, and yeah- it wasn't LE that broke that window, IMO. At least not when the vehicle was initially found.)


Who do you think broke the window, and why? Do you have a theory?

If LE didn't break the window, that would imply Maisie was never in there...and that means LE cooked up a story awhile after the truck was recovered. But why? And then the sheriff decided to go on national television to tell this huge fabrication? I don't know...

In the surveillance video, was Maisie seen getting into the truck?

My gut tells me that we'll never know what happened to them. :( I can't stand that.
 
  • #410
Sadly, I don't believe anyone at this point, lol.

So much of the info is unsubstantiated.... it's all become one huge lie to me. :(

(Oh, and yeah- it wasn't LE that broke that window, IMO. At least not when the vehicle was initially found.)



All very interesting considering the other issues in the photo's , the dog ate the evidence ,thats why it isnt there...Duh..(really I can see that being said )

If it is a huge lie. Where does the lie stop ? Where would the truth start ,or rather where does the truth stop and the lie start?
 
  • #411
Who do you think broke the window, and why? Do you have a theory?

If LE didn't break the window, that would imply Maisie was never in there...and that means LE cooked up a story awhile after the truck was recovered. But why? And then the sheriff decided to go on national television to tell this huge fabrication? I don't know...

In the surveillance video, was Maisie seen getting into the truck?

My gut tells me that we'll never know what happened to them. :( I can't stand that.

I do have a theory, and it does imply that LE cooked up quite a story- as well as a few other folks.

Now, I am very much pro-LE for the most part... but in this case... well, let's just say I am skeptical that procedure was followed in a responsible manner.

Why might this have been done? I'm not sure.
But (MOO) there was and is a heck of a lot of lying going on. Everywhere.
 
  • #412
Does anyone know what type of surveillance equip was at the house?
 
  • #413
Does anyone know what type of surveillance equip was at the house?

Oh- of course! We know that from a tv show!

We don't know it from seized evidence... cuz, like, the system is gone. :banghead:
 
  • #414
Oh- of course! We know that from a tv show!

We don't know it from seized evidence... cuz, like, the system is gone. :banghead:

LOL I really should have watched that show!!! I will go back and view now. I appologize, I read E V E R Y word of that d*** topix thread though and geez you are right about the mess there!

I just wondered about remote viewing? that is a little out there I know but it has been used in several other cases. Funny about their having a system at all.
 
  • #415
Crazy plots with lots of lies.

Off topic and random.

Interesting link ,to a lake euflaula association murder mystery. I wonder why they ignore the true mystery of their own?
 
  • #416
Crazy plots with lots of lies.

Off topic and random.

Interesting link ,to a lake euflaula association murder mystery. I wonder why they ignore the true mystery of their own?

Soul, where is that link about the murder mystery? Did I breeze right by it?
 
  • #417
I do have a theory, and it does imply that LE cooked up quite a story- as well as a few other folks.

Now, I am very much pro-LE for the most part... but in this case... well, let's just say I am skeptical that procedure was followed in a responsible manner.

Why might this have been done? I'm not sure.
But (MOO) there was and is a heck of a lot of lying going on. Everywhere.

I wouldn't put anything past LE, honestly (well, I wouldn't put anything past ANYONE, period!)...it does intrigue me that Sheriff Beauchamp made himself so available to speak about the case, though. Haven't WS members spoken to him personally and found him helpful?
Weren't other LE officers at the scene for awhile before he was called in, as well? That's how it sounded on the ID show.


Oriah, you've been up there on the mountain, right? This probably seems like a silly/dumb question...but how did you feel up there? Does it feel like a truly sinister area where people often vanish, as others have said?
 
  • #418
I do not know any law enforcement in the area, and I do appreciate the uniquely difficult job they have to deal with in these types of cases; however, not having seen the evidence, I still find it likely that:
1) It's a limited manpower police force.
2) They were inexperienced at handling this type of case (missing persons and/or murder where the suspect is not immediately evident), where serious detective/investigation techniques are used on suspects, scene preservation, "evidence preservation/collection!', who to look at, and how hard you address those suspects. Video taping & photographying an entire home to observe/preserve it, etc.
I know it's not the end all and TV is made for drama, but there is sime common sense that must be used immediately, along with investigative rule/process to preserve and collect evidence. Even basic things, like: limit cross contamination/#ppl on scene/ Don't let everyone walk through a scene trapsing willie-nille over foot prints, truck tracks, other vehicle tracks, wander into the woods to look around, etc., ++ I think they fouled up blocking off evidence collection, and what to do with it once you have it.
3) They called in law enforcement agencies from at least 4 other agencies rapidly (not to mention search groups, etc.)., but I think as a whole they were very ill equipped at handling/coordinating the efforts and expertise being offer, and the various agencies chains of command, while maintaining a clear internal command lines for information or evidence, so a lot of what occurred was ineffectual and probably frustrating for outsiders (especially highly driven professional specialists with limited focus areas like: search, profiling, etc.) coming in town with a sincerely desiring to be of real assistance.

I don't know where the evidence is, but I would not be surprised if much of it has been lost, through lack of proper procedures for handling the chain of evidence, evidence collection, maintaining the evidence and even where all of the information is to go or how to kept up with all of the evidence within a specific timeline/limit (ex:30,30,120 days), and how long evidence should be kept and where.

I still believe that an experienced investigator would have to go back to square one and over come all prejudices, and local obstacles, to just push through them and keep going until he gets to the truth of case..

While I think that there were glaring mistakes/inconsistencies, I also think those mistakes were not owned up to, but instead glossed over/swept under the carpet, with no paper trail to boot (and in an attempt to c.y.a.)

As I said, I appreciate law enforcement, but as with any group, there are those who are good at what they do, and those that have no business in law enforcement doing what they do.

I think for those reasons this case has remained unsolved for so long. Oh Where, Oh Where is an obsessive Detective when U need one? *smiles*

----***** Praying for the Jamison Family where ever They may be! ******
 
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I still believe that an experienced investigator would have to go back to square one and over come all prejudices, and local obstacles, to just push through them and keep going until he gets to the truth of case..

Respectfully snipped:

Thank you for an excellent post. I totally agree with your analogy. Now all we need is that experienced investigator! :twocents:
 
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