OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #9

[JeannieC]

Off topic...

I am sorry to report today that one of the hermit crabs has moved on to the great hunting lands in the sky.
Today Alexander the crab passed on for unknown reasons and wont be able to continue his training.


On topic
To bad we couldnt do some discovery channel tricks and shoot the stray dogs with tracking devices to track there movements ...
They should be rounded up.. for their own good but to know where they visit could prove to be interesting.

I'm grieving with you. Two of my sea monkeys went on to sea monkey heaven in the deep 6 today. I'll miss those little critters.....


Should we celebrate their lives.......You get Crabby and I'll act like a monkey!

 

[Soulmagent]

Any idea how many dogs are up there? Tracking devices might be a good idea. Anyone know someone who does that?

And spy cams..



(I know vision of grandeur):crazy:

 

[JeannieC]

Is anything going on as far as another search? An word from LE?

Bumping for the Jamison Family.........

 

[Cazzie]

LOL, too funny.
Right now all I got is berry licken', carrot pullin', apple eatin' dogs.

So you are breeding health-conscious dawgs? Wouldn't have thought that was possible. Alert the media now!

Most of the dawgs I've known seem to prefer rolling in the most disgusting things imaginable, trying to get loose on trash nite and coming home reeking of rancid discarded fish or other spoiled food. They love bread like it's chocolate (yes I know not to give them chocolate) , and they eat way too fast! No chewing their food properly and savoring...

One dawg would eat all the beef stew canned food, and lick ALL the gravy off of every single one of the peas, which he would leave behind in his bowl. :24: He's also the one who loved to snack on the cat litter box. ARGH! He could always hear the crinkle of a cheese slice wrapper, from another room, even if you tried to unwrap it surreptiously. Even after he got old and his hearing (of other things) was failing. Shoulda named him Sherlock or Pavlov?

 

[JeannieC]

So you are breeding health-conscious dawgs? Wouldn't have thought that was possible. Alert the media now!

Most of the dawgs I've known seem to prefer rolling in the most disgusting things imaginable, trying to get loose on trash nite and coming home reeking of rancid discarded fish or other spoiled food. They love bread like it's chocolate (yes I know not to give them chocolate) , and they eat way too fast! No chewing their food properly and savoring...

One dawg would eat all the beef stew canned food, and lick ALL the gravy off of every single one of the peas, which he would leave behind in his bowl. :24: He's also the one who loved to snack on the cat litter box. ARGH! He could always hear the crinkle of a cheese slice wrapper, from another room, even if you tried to unwrap it surreptiously. Even after he got old and his hearing (of other things) was failing. Shoulda named him Sherlock or Pavlov?

I have a funny little dog. She won't watch you eat, never begs, HONEST. If she looks when I eat I say, "don't look" and she turns her head. This is the funny part. When I put her food in her dish she won't eat until I leave the kitchen...........

She is a real dainty eater. One piece of food at time and very slowly. She picks through her food and if she doesn't like a piece she puts it in the floor and won't eat it even if I offer it to her by hand. She loves vegetables too.

 

[curiosityscat]

THIS DISCUSSION BOARD & CASE DISCUSSION:
WOW! No offense intended to anyone, particularly the long standing membership on this site who have been posting here, but, Wow! There is a LOT of off topic discussion on this forum. I tried to read through the info, but 3 yrs of posts and a ton of off topic discussion was just too much for me to dig through (via cell), so pardon me if I am repeating a thought train expressed by someone else previously. I couldn't find anything along this line of thought, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, especially considering the amount of off topic listed that seems to be burying case data and discussion. *shrugs*

ORIGIN OF INQUIRY:
I saw this case on T.V. on an Episode of "ID Discovery - Missing Persons", I believe that is the one.
My point being, a LOT of the people interviewed, ranging from family to friends, mentioned the fact that the Jamison Family had an avid interest in going on unannounced trips to see Real Estate in remote areas. Also, there were statements that the family had been having issues related to (and I apologize for not knowing each of their names..I didn't want to pop off here to go look them up, as I'm just on via cell w/no pc access at the moment) and I read page after page, but their names were used infrequently compared to the police in charge of the case and the other off topic stuff. *shrugs*, so again, my apologies in advance). So, it seemed that the wife/mother was suffering from bipolar depression, so the family was looking at acquiring a property a bit more remote, where they could start fresh. After hearing all the opinions about various odd behavior claims (the container w/paint scribble about cats, a belief that ghosts were haunting the roof of their home - by the father/husband, belief that M was speaking to ghosts - Wife/Mom or an imaginary friend - 3rd Party, Asking about a bullet to kill ghosts - Father/Husband, statements that she was a witch and encouraging others that this belief was true in an effort to keep people at a distance - Wife/Mom...There was some odd behavior from a recent past tenant, who claimed to be a white supremacist that told the Wife/Mom that she has been discussing her ethnic ties to indians, so he sat next ro her and told her that in he believed that all non-whites needed to be eliminated or something (what I said is not verbatim), the point here is that, the Wife/Mom then immediately got a gun and told him to leave their property and never return. Which he did. (He was a convicted criminal of some sort, but as the show presented it, the tenant in question was/is suppose to have an alibi.
Taking the odd behavior out of the picture, I still go back to the fact that, $32k was found in their truck (per show quote), along with the dog left in the truck, the wife's purse, cell phones, etc.
The investigators seemed to feel that the Jamison Family were on their way back down the mountain when whatever occurred happened. There was an impression given that as they were heading back down, someone stopped them, had them leave the vehicle and walk into ...*shrugs*..who knows where.

WHAT IF - and Has Anyone Considered the Real Estate Angle?
Obviously, if the Father/Husband and Wife/Mother were feeling major stress to move out of their current house, then they would be looking at local Real Estate property listings, and talking to license Real Estate,Agent and even unlicensed land owners. There had to be listings for property in that area. I'm wondering if the police investigators looked at local listings, posts up in town, RE Agents, land owners with land for sale, who were actively listing properties or just in that industry in that area during that timeline. If not, maybe they should. Along with cross referencing any calls made to the Family's cells or from them for the week leading up to their disappearance. And/or any listings that fell off and were no longer posted or maybe had the ad pulled by the original poster???

CONCLUSION:
Wouldn't it make sense that they took a trip to look at property, but the person that they were suppose to meet up with was "running late", so they got out, walked the dog, took some pictures, e and scouted the area and potential views. That they took money with them to either put a down payment or to outright purchase it. When their contact did not show, they eventually decided to leave. Got in their truck and headed back; however as they did so, they ran into the person who they had been awaiting (maybe getting flagged down). Maybe the father gets out to go discuss the situation with the driver of the other vehicle, the Father/Husband gets delayed returning to the truck. So, the mother gets out to go see what is taking so long, leaving her personals in the truck. Then whatever else happened, happened. Maybe telling the little girl to stay in the truck or maybe she got out when her parent's didn't come back. They tell the person they didn't bring any money (so the person doesn't bother to search for it, and even if the other driver had there's still a dog in the truck, and potentially a young little girl. Which may not have been part of "the plan". So, with "the plan" having gone very wrong, the other driver just rights off the possibility of cash and just goes forward trying to deal with what has occurred, and to clean up/tye up loose ends. (It's terrible to refer to what happened to this family as 'a loose end', but ya'll know what I mean).

Obviously a lot of conjecture on my part, but I would love to see or at least know that the RE angle has been investigated properly.

May the Jamison Family find peace in whatever form they can, and may the person(s) who had a hand in the disappearance of this Family, eventually pay for his/her/their crime, and provide closure for those friends, family, and loved ones, along with Websleuths find the answers and the closure that everyone seeks.

Good Luck, and Thank you for your patience reading this lengthy post.

 

[JeannieC]

I don't know if LE looked into the real estate possibility. It could be that they went there to find land or a house.

I'll have to bump this thread and hope some of the sleuths who really know this case will come on and discuss it.

Bobby, Sherilyn, and Madison are believed to have been abducted and for what reason is unknown.

LE doesn't seem interested in investigating or searching. It has so many twists and turns it sounds like a horror movie.

Sorry you came in when we had all reached the point of off topic. You're right, we need to get back on it.

Thanks for coming on!

 

[JeannieC]

Bumping for the Jamisons!

 

[JeannieC]

Praying that the Jamisons will be located.

 

[wfgodot]

:Welcome1:

Welcome to WebSleuths and the Jamisons thread, curiosityscat!

 

[Oriah]

Welcome, curiositycat!

We're actually not heinously O/T all of the time.

What we are is frustrated with incorrect info, a lack of cooperation from LE, weather and other environmental issues that are prohibitive of search efforts; illicit drugs, lost evidence, conflicting evidence, small dogs in trucks, stray dogs on the mountain, money, mental illness, ... and ambiguity concerning sheriffs- lol. (Oh, and we all seem to have the same sense of humor!)

We all care a whole lot about the Jamisons! And we're not quitting any time soon.

Thanks for joining us!

 

[JeannieC]

Bumping for the Jamisons and hoping all those who are familiar with this will start talking again for those of us who know so little and for all the Newbys..............

 

[nanny2five]

i have been gone for a month getting ready for a move but i have thought about the Jamisons a lot and i just keep thinking that whatever happened to them, if it was about money, they didnt realize it bc if they knew the people and knew it was about money, one of them would have offered the 32 thousand that was in the truck in effort to save Madyson. it probably wouldnt have worked, but the money wouldn't have been there when the truck was found.

 

[JeannieC]

Do you think it is possible that they took Madyson? Could this have been an abduction and killing.

I'm not knowledgeable about all the complicated in's and out's of this so please help me out here.......be easy with me........

 

[Kiln Wood]

Do you think it is possible that they took Madyson? Could this have been an abduction and killing.

I'm not knowledgeable about all the complicated in's and out's of this so please help me out here.......be easy with me........

BBM

Yes and yes.....

 

[JeannieC]

BBM

Yes and yes.....

Thanks. So glad to see everyone coming back.

Do you think this was a planned attack or just happened?

 

[curiosityscat]

i have been gone for a month getting ready for a move but i have thought about the Jamisons a lot and i just keep thinking that whatever happened to them, if it was about money, they didnt realize it bc if they knew the people and knew it was about money, one of them would have offered the 32 thousand that was in the truck in effort to save Madyson. it probably wouldnt have worked, but the money wouldn't have been there when the truck was found.

Well, my cell just ate my post, so this 2nd round hopefully it goes through.

1) I understand what you're saying, but what if separated and trying to keep whomever away from the truck and loved ones? I know I would do whatever to keep focus on myself in hopes that loved ones could get away (if I had time to do so). I don't believe the truck was actually really messed with, as the show made it seem like the 1st guy to look thru the truck wasn't the guy that found the cash, it was the 2nd guy and he had to do quite a bit of searching to find the cash, as I think it was covered and stuffed way under the driver seat, and upon finding it was when they said the 1st guy ordered the truck roped off so as not to disturb evidence. I think the Jamisons all got out of the truck at some point (and I don't think it was all together at one time). I think that if someone did do something bad, then they weren't likely to be thinking clearly, and that they wouldn't want to stay rifling through an incriminating location in an open/exposed spot after being there for however long already. The site was explained as being somewhat muddy, with no signs of a struggle, so whatever happened must have been fast or there was a reason no one put up enough of a fight to leave signs of such activity (Madyson's safety is a very good reason)
2) I REALLY hope that someone will check the RE angle, even if it wasn't about Real Estate and the "money", it is still a ploy to get them to a remote location, that I think would have worked. Also, when searching for Real Estate or liking to look at property (as implied by several people on the show), they would have been dealing with unknown people, and having to trust them to a point, to meet them or discuss money, etc. typically without much of a background check, particularly if you're looking to outright purchase land from a land owner you don't want to 'spook' from a sale. *crossing my fingers* that someone with drive and ability will research this (and who maybe has a working pc *smiles*).
3) There are some characteristics that solved/cracked cases (even cold cases) seem to have in common: an obsessive investigator who refuses to give up, a lucky break, and in some cases, exposure or pressure from an outside source. So what do ya'll think about a petition, like on Change.org that keeps people thinking of the case, keeps the pressure on, and urges and motivates them to assign a new lead investigator with the drive, determination, and an unbias set of eyes to work/rework the case??? As I got the distinct impression that the Lead Investigator shown on that program was exceedingly bias. He made statements to the following on camera (not verbatim): 'We have a problem with *** drugs in this area, so when we find that amount of cash and missing people we assume it is a drug deal gone bad. (I was like Wtheck?!)..they then did a home search and found no drugs, but some surveillance tapes (the mother-in-law said she had installed for them for security reasons), that because when packing the vehicle they didn't interact, touch, or speak and made numerous trips as opposed to only a few, and they were walking like in a trance and they must have been on drugs.' Again, I was like WTheck?! Apparently, he has never had a stress induced tiff w/a partner just before or during trip packing a car! I know I have, so his statement seemed so nonsensical, and while I can take conjecture or even a wild guess, down right inflammatory slaughtering of someone's character w/o any evidence to support those allegations, is just shameful on the behalf of an Investigator! So, an unbias Investigator with a new set of eyes, who is as determined to find the truth, as Websleuth Members would be a nice change, and could be what is needed.

I hope I posted all of the points I originally covered the 1st time I txt'd this - doubt it - I'm sure I'll have more to say *laughs*, but just wanted to say that I am thankful for all of your patience while I've said what I have here.

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Side Note: Thank you all for the warm welcome! It's much appreciated, as this case was my 1st dip into participation on this particular Forum. The fact that an entire Family can go missing with no answers, voluntarily or otherwise, is worse than a tragedy to me, but I can't think of a good word to properly describe it. Overall, this case has been bugging me and on my mind for long before I posted here. Also, *winks*..I do realize that occasionally the pressure kettle has to let off a bit steam, here and there, and I'll leave it at that. *smiles*
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I pray for the Jamison Family, where ever they may be. They will always be in my mind, and in my prayers.

 

[Kiln Wood]

And in all your reading, analyzing, evaluating, and posting, what is your opinion about the determination of either Bobby or Sherilyn's family to learn the present wherabouts of his/her child and/or grandchild?

Thank you for a very insightful post!

 

[Kiln Wood]

Thanks. So glad to see everyone coming back.

Do you think this was a planned attack or just happened?

BBM

The latter.....

 

[curiosityscat]

And in all your reading, analyzing, evaluating, and posting, what is your opinion about the determination of either Bobby or Sherilyn's family to learn the present wherabouts of his/her child and/or grandchild?

Thank you for a very insightful post!

Honestly, I am just a newbie, there are other Websleuths here who have spent far more time and effort researching, and are much closer to this case and the people locally than myself, as I do not know anyone involved personally, and I am admittedly not well informed. I'm just saying, as it's the truth. *shrugs*

However, with regards to my own opinion. I'm not certain which grand parent was on the show, but I think it was Sherilyn's mom.
I know that she seemed concerned about where her grand daughter is, I can't say that she seemed very "positive" about Madyson's current state of health (at least it didn't come across that way). When I read what you wrote, I stopped and thought for a second, and I recall a comment that whomever it was made. She stated (not verbatim), and in regards to the cell phone of Sherilyn's. I believe that was found in the truck, and showed several pictures taken in the area (the show made it seem that the pics were taken further up the road than where the vehicle was found, at the rocky rise where it is believed the family had actually gotten out and walked up to look around, and stayed a bit, before getting in the truck and going back down the road to leave)...the picture showed Madyson sitting on a rock with woods in the background. The woman stated that she didn't believe that Madyson"s parents had taken that photography. She went on to state that Madyson's smile wasn't genuine in her opinion, and that it seemed to her that Madyson was looking off camera and not toward the person taking the photo, but off camera at someone else. The woman went on to say that the way Madyson was sitting with her knees drawn up and her arms crossed over sort of hugging her knees (I think), re-enforced her belief that the photographer wasn't Bobby or Sherilyn.

I admit, both the statement about the smile being not genuine, and the scenario she described sent a chill up my spine, but without any pictures (only 1 from memory because it was so highlighted on the show, and the one posted on this forum site) to compare what Madyson's typical smile is suppose to look like (the pic on the show and the one on this forum are not the same), it is hard to have an opinion about the validity of that train of thought. But, I guess it's hard for me to wrap my head around someone making Madyson take a photo sitting on rocks (revisiting the earlier site), only to then leave the cell with that photo sitting in the truck with no regard for it being found by police (I think it was the last photo taken), and even still, the person didn't find (or maybe even look for) the money in the vehicle, but for some reason stayed in the area long enough to do something so twisted. ?!? *shrugs* Maybe Madyson wasn't happy at that moment, maybe her smile was a bit forced, and maybe she was looking off camera (she definitely didn't seem to be looking at the photographer), but there could be a million explanations for it. Tension between parents? Picking up on her parent's frustration to come so far out, yet believing they had been "stood up" for a meeting? Ya'll know how that goes, one person wants to stay and wait, the other is ready to give up and leave, everyone is tense. *shrugs*..just a thought.

That's the best I can do for an opinion about how either side of the families' grand parents feel about locating Madyson, Sorry I don't know or have anything more concrete as an answer for you.

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Hoping that the truth will come out about what has occurred to the Jamison Family, praying for them all.