OK OK - Jamison Family; Truck, IDs, money, & dog found abandoned, Oct 2009 - #9

[wfgodot]

It t'aint backwards, wfgodot!

It's just... umm... stagnant.

And I tend to think substance abuse may have something to do with that stagnacity. (Wait- is that a word?)

I tacked a too-clever-by-half motto onto that post too.

It's pretty backward. From the white folk to the tribes (the Cherokees recently voted to exclude all Black freemen, who've been members of the tribe since just past the Civil War, off the rolls), it's pretty damn backward. And if it is merely stagnant, that stag...uh, stagnent-ness, looks exactly like southeast Oklahoma looks in the middle of a cold winter: frozen and never thawing.

 

[Oriah]

Dang that spell check. It never knows what it is doing.
Ima gonna sue Blackberry. And Verizon.

And ok on the Cherokee vote- wow- how did I miss that??!

I need to call Gayle. Yes?

 

[wfgodot]

Actually, compared to, say, the Bobo case, we have an embarrassment of riches of supect-types in the matter of the Jamisons. I wish we could get Israel B.'s thoughts on the matter. I could be 125% wrong, but I think he was seriously trying to solve this.

 

[Oriah]

Actually, compared to, say, the Bobo case, we have an embarrassment of riches of supect-types in the matter of the Jamisons. I wish we could get Israel B.'s thoughts on the matter. I could be 125% wrong, but I think he was seriously trying to solve this.

Hmm.
What makes you think IB was very seriously trying to solve the mystery of the missing Jamisons (and yes, I really want your opinion!)

 

[wfgodot]

Hmm.
What makes you think IB was very seriously trying to solve the mystery of the missing Jamisons (and yes, I really want your opinion!)

This is a wretched answer, but... "He seemed sincere." After watching various denominations of LE trying - or not, or not - to solve cases here for over twelve years, the sheriff did at the very least put on an impressive front. Plus, he left office on his own terms, without, as the case variously has been for sheriffs in my county, being hounded out, arrested and imprisoned while holding office, stepping down for "health reasons," or killed by his wife in a drunken brawl.

 

[Oriah]

This is a wretched answer, but... "He seemed sincere." After watching various denominations of LE trying - or not, or not - to solve cases here for over twelve years, the sheriff did at the very least put on an impressive front. Plus, he left office on his own terms, without, as the case variously has been for sheriffs in my county, being hounded out, arrested and imprisoned while holding office, stepping down for "health reasons," or killed by his wife in a drunken brawl.

Well, an answer is an answer- wretched or not.
And I thank you for that, my friend! Truly.

However, I am somewhat afraid that the prob and stats here might be askew.
Why do you think he and the rest of the dept would depart so... suddenly?
My personal opinion (and this is not meant to derail the thread to OK politics- but more that I believe it to be a very important part of the Jamison's case) is that corruption and ignorance went hand in hand here.

Thoughts?

 

[wfgodot]

Well, an answer is an answer- wretched or not. And I thank you for that, my friend! Truly.

However, I am somewhat afraid that the prob and stats here might be askew.
Why do you think he and the rest of the dept would depart so... suddenly?
My personal opinion (and this is not meant to derail the thread to OK politics- but more that I believe it to be a very important part of the Jamison's case) is that corruption and ignorance went hand in hand here.

Thoughts?

Hmm....well, the two reasons I might resign, if it were me, might be

* fear for my life and the safety of my family
* frustration with trying to govern a lawless region on a small county budget

and I guess one could add, if familiar with OK politics, "fear of getting caught at the game."

Here, cunning is everything and even low cunning will defeat good intentions.

 

[Oriah]

Cynicism is running deep here, wfgodot!

I've been looking at a few cases where LE seems to have 'abandoned' a case (or cases) due to frustrations of trying to deal with missing persons in their jurisdiction with inadequate funding- and I kind of understand that.

But then why ignore/refuse free SAR help when offered?

 

[wfgodot]

Cynicism is running deep here, wfgodot!

I've been looking at a few cases where LE seems to have 'abandoned' a case (or cases) due to frustrations of trying to deal with missing persons in their jurisdiction with inadequate funding- and I kind of understand that.

But then why ignore/refuse free SAR help when offered?

The fewer involved, the fewer to know the screw-ups. Or worse.

 

[Oriah]

The fewer involved, the fewer to know the screw-ups. Or worse.

Well if that ain't the truth....

Of course, some folks are determined.

 

[wfgodot]

Well if that ain't the truth....

Of course, some folks are determined.

It was incredible to me when I moved here but, here, everyone wants to know your angle. Because they are so used to people taking an angle to get something for themselves.

 

[redfish]

It was incredible to me when I moved here but, here, everyone wants to know your angle. Because they are so used to people taking an angle to get something for themselves.

Sad way of life.

 

[Soulmagent]

Hmm....well, the two reasons I might resign, if it were me, might be

* fear for my life and the safety of my family
* frustration with trying to govern a lawless region on a small county budget

and I guess one could add, if familiar with OK politics, "fear of getting caught at the game."

Here, cunning is everything and even low cunning will defeat good intentions.

I am voting C ,now does anyone have any idea what the game is?

 

[Oriah]

I am voting C ,now does anyone have any idea what the game is?

Voting C as well, Soul.

And I'm gonna hazard a guess that the game is CYA- specifically the misappropriation of 'evidence'. Such as, ya know.... illicit drugs, and cash.

Poor Madyson.

 

[Cazzie]

I was thinking about an old post by someone about strip mines and how the Jamisons are probably in one. What would be involved in searching a strip mine? Sonar? Search warrant? Is the water surface of a strip mine large enough for a boat? How many strip mines are in OK?

If strip mines were to be searched, I'll bet a lot of bodies would be found...

 

[wfgodot]

Strip pits? That's where Joe Neff's body was found, in one of those filled with water, I think, if I'm remembering correctly. I also think I recall Jeremy Jones claimed he disposed off Lauria Bible and Ashley Freeman's bodies in one, in SE KS, not far from me. Also that's where the body of exotic dancer Karol Sullens - from the town I'm in - is supposed to have wound up; it's never been found. In terms of shaft mining - my area here in NE OK is pocked with them, and they're rumored to be the final resting place of many a gangster from Kansas City.

Latimer County? Long ago, yes, plenty of coal mining:

The county's early economy was based on coal mining. The principal coal-producing area lay in the northern mountains, in the Choctaw Segregated Coal Lands. By 1895 the Choctaw, Oklahoma and Gulf Railway operated mines near Gowen, Lutie, and Wilburton. By 1905 mining operations included McAlester Coal Mining Company (from 1897), McAlester Coal and Mineral Company (from 1897), Eastern Coal and Mining Company (from 1899), Great Western Coal and Coke Company (from 1899), and Missouri, Kansas and Texas Coal Company (from 1904), all near Wilburton; Kali-Inla Coal Company (from 1904) near Gowen; Bache and Denman Coal Company (from 1905) near Red Oak; and Le Bosquit Coal and Mining Company (from 1902) and Turkey Creek Coal Company (from 1901), both near Hughes.

http://bit.ly/pfXyQK

So, based on Oklahoma tradition and availability of sites, the bodies of the family might well have wound up in an abandoned mine, where they will NEVER be found. That's why so many bodies - evidently - wind up there: now you see 'em, now you don't.

 

[Soulmagent]

Voting C as well, Soul.

And I'm gonna hazard a guess that the game is CYA- specifically the misappropriation of 'evidence'. Such as, ya know.... illicit drugs, and cash.

Poor Madyson.

I think that maybe a small part of the whole game, IB may have been concerned with that but the silence is part of another game I think.

Mules with machine guns..?? Milton Bradley would be impressed I think.

Here in Virginia , a perfect example of a person in power who could use her position to extort certain actions from people who would have no recourse.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/082011/08172011/1313607603fls

Are Indain children protected agaisnt S.S coming in and opening cases? Just wondering for no reason really.

I also after having read alot of cases sometimes think that extortion and holding an arrest just over someones head is an interesting method of keeping one under control with their mouths shut.

 

[wfgodot]

Are Indain children protected agaisnt S.S coming in and opening cases? Just wondering for no reason really.

snipperooni

Native families are subject to the same checks and balances social services can provide.

 

[nanny2five]

I was thinking about an old post by someone about strip mines and how the Jamisons are probably in one. What would be involved in searching a strip mine? Sonar? Search warrant? Is the water surface of a strip mine large enough for a boat? How many strip mines are in OK?

If strip mines were to be searched, I'll bet a lot of bodies would be found...

i think you would win that bet, Cazzie.
http://www.ok.gov/conservation/documents/AML-brochure-7-07.pdf
of course, i think a lot of the strip mines have been reclaimed, putting their secrets under hundreds of feet of dirt.

 

[wfgodot]

So....what's everybody think?