GUILTY OK - Jaymie Adams, 25, Blanchard, 9 Dec 2011

[TxLady2]

I can well understand brothers defending their brother, not believing they could be capable of murder. A lot depends on past history, I suppose. If they were all close, and Justin had never shown signs of violence towards others... understandable.
It's really very difficult to accept if someone you love and have known all their lives has done something like this. It's especially difficult for a mother to turn on her son or daughter. Denial is a powerful emotion and very, very difficult to overcome.
And I agree with teh... you have to do what's right, even if it's your own child. It would be a next-to-impossible task if it were my son... but I would never lie for them.

 

[JeannaT]

I didn't see this posted

Jaymie Adams, three children were taken to women's shelter before the Blanchard mom's disappearance
Jaymie Adams, of Blanchard, and three of her children were taken to a women's shelter in Norman a month before the woman was found dead in southeast Oklahoma City.


Read more: http://newsok.com/jaymie-adams-thre...s-disappearance/article/3645132#ixzz1l8FMK1St

That's pretty damning, for sure.

But as a prostitute, she was probably in more danger from men she was meeting for sexual services off of craigs list - with no pimp to protect her. There are so many moving parts in this murder - an ex husband who backs up Justin's statements that she was out a lot of nights with different men, two apparent domestic violence incidents with no clear evidence or documentation, a birth family that she's estranged from because of erratic and difficult behavior, a mother in law who seems believable (to me), it's all very hard.

If she didn't have this history of sexual behavior this would be an open and shut case. As it is, it's complicated.

 

[JeannaT]

I can well understand brothers defending their brother, not believing they could be capable of murder. A lot depends on past history, I suppose. If they were all close, and Justin had never shown signs of violence towards others... understandable.
It's really very difficult to accept if someone you love and have known all their lives has done something like this. It's especially difficult for a mother to turn on her son or daughter. Denial is a powerful emotion and very, very difficult to overcome.
And I agree with teh... you have to do what's right, even if it's your own child. It would be a next-to-impossible task if it were my son... but I would never lie for them.

This thread has gotten a little confused. The brothers we were discussing are Ryan Brunn's brothers, different case. I haven't heard anything from Justin's brothers, if he has any - just his mother and grandmother.

 

[nursebeeme]

That's pretty damning, for sure.

But as a prostitute, she was probably in more danger from men she was meeting for sexual services off of craigs list - with no pimp to protect her. There are so many moving parts in this murder - an ex husband who backs up Justin's statements that she was out a lot of nights with different men, two apparent domestic violence incidents with no clear evidence or documentation, a birth family that she's estranged from because of erratic and difficult behavior, a mother in law who seems believable (to me), it's all very hard.

If she didn't have this history of sexual behavior this would be an open and shut case. As it is, it's complicated.

I personally take everything that her husband (who now sits in jail arrested for double murder) with a huge grain of salt.

the fact that she was possibly being abused by her husband and sought out a shelter for herself and her children speaks more to what Justin perhaps was capable of visiting on his wife than any of the other stories that Justin has leaked to the media about prostitution.

IIRC the article that was posted on her ex husband was about her leaving at night and odd hours... not her being a prostitute.

All that being said, it is truly what you believe (LE.. they arrested him for double murder... or Justin and his family.. that say Jaymie was prostituting herself that night and he had nothing to do with it..)

At this time my :twocents: is with LE.. but that is just my opinion.

 

[BritsKate]

That's pretty damning, for sure.

But as a prostitute, she was probably in more danger from men she was meeting for sexual services off of craigs list - with no pimp to protect her. There are so many moving parts in this murder - an ex husband who backs up Justin's statements that she was out a lot of nights with different men, two apparent domestic violence incidents with no clear evidence or documentation, a birth family that she's estranged from because of erratic and difficult behavior, a mother in law who seems believable (to me), it's all very hard.

If she didn't have this history of sexual behavior this would be an open and shut case. As it is, it's complicated.

Do we have independent verification that she even was a prostitute? As stated earlier in this thread: Perpetrators often denigrate and demean their victims. (From experience so do abusive husbands. ) Is the ex that claims she left nightly the same ex she has had an ongoing custody battle with? Erratic and difficult behavior at what age and according to what set of parameters? Have biological family members come forward to specify what led to a break down in their relationships? If so, I missed the article.

There are many children who choose, as adults, to sever ties with their families for very solid reasons - often self preservation. I don't think it should be used as a basis for a person's character.

I personally have never believed the prostitution theory and further believe Tina Clarke will say whatever she deems necessary to protect her son (and quite possibly herself). JMO

 

[nvrforgtn]

Thank you Nursebeeme and BritsKate! I absolutely agree!

 

[melissasmom]

Do we have independent verification that she even was a prostitute? As stated earlier in this thread: Perpetrators often denigrate and demean their victims. (From experience so do abusive husbands. ) Is the ex that claims she left nightly the same ex she has had an ongoing custody battle with? Erratic and difficult behavior at what age and according to what set of parameters? Have biological family members come forward to specify what led to a break down in their relationships? If so, I missed the article.

There are many children who choose, as adults, to sever ties with their families for very solid reasons - often self preservation. I don't think it should be used as a basis for a person's character.

I personally have never believed the prostitution theory and further believe Tina Clarke will say whatever she deems necessary to protect her son (and quite possibly herself). JMO

Joseph Cyr, who was questioned by LE, was apparently one of her "clients". Article below:

http://www.newson6.com/story/166075...k-belonging-to-man-who-contacted-jaymie-adams

"Investigators said Joseph Cyr contacted Adams in response to a Craigslist ad for sex shortly before she disappeared."

So yes, it was verified apparently by investigators. Mind you, I am not passing judgement or her, nor am I saying that LE arrested the wrong person. Just posting for clarification.

 

[BritsKate]

Joseph Cyr, who was questioned by LE, was apparently one of her "clients". Article below:

http://www.newson6.com/story/166075...k-belonging-to-man-who-contacted-jaymie-adams

"Investigators said Joseph Cyr contacted Adams in response to a Craigslist ad for sex shortly before she disappeared."

So yes, it was verified apparently by investigators. Mind you, I am not passing judgement or her, nor am I saying that LE arrested the wrong person. Just posting for clarification.

Thank you! I did know about that but obviously forgot.

I still think Justin did it and Mom (at least) is lying for him but I'm admittedly biased.

 

[melissasmom]

Thank you! I did know about that but obviously forgot.

I still think Justin did it and Mom (at least) is lying for him but I'm admittedly biased.

I wonder about Justin's mother. At first, it seemed like she really did care about Jaymie, and I think she did, somewhat anyways. BUT I think she cares about her son more. I saw a couple things on her FB page that raised my hinky meter WAY up. When I looked again later, they seemed to be gone. Not going to say what they were, I think that is against TOS? So let's just say I am having doubts about good old mom.


JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

I guess what I am trying to convey (not doing such a good job LOL) is that LE has arrested Justin... they have not arrested any other man that solicited sex from Jaymie..

while she may have been doing this (prostitution) it does NOT give Justin a free pass to murder her... and it does not mean that LE does not investigate her case like they would any other missing person/homicide because of this fact.

thank you melissasmom for the link... Jaymie seemed to have been engaging in a very high risk lifestyle that for sure could have put her in harms way..

at this point however, it seems that the danger came from within her very own home.

I hope the formal charges are filed soon.

 

[melissasmom]

I guess what I am trying to convey (not doing such a good job LOL) is that LE has arrested Justin... they have not arrested any other man that solicited sex from Jaymie..

while she may have been doing this (prostitution) it does NOT give Justin a free pass to murder her... and it does not mean that LE does not investigate her case like they would any other missing person/homicide because of this fact.

thank you melissasmom for the link... Jaymie seemed to have been engaging in a very high risk lifestyle that for sure could have put her in harms way..

at this point however, it seems that the danger came from within her very own home.

I hope the formal charges are filed soon.

I think we all understand what you are trying to say, no worries there. Poor Jaymie, it just seems like her life has been troubled from every aspect. And I really feel badly for the children. I hope they have lots of loving people in their lives to help them. And one of the boys ( I don't remember which one) just lost his dad not too many months ago, now his mom's gone too

 

[JeannaT]

I guess what I am trying to convey (not doing such a good job LOL) is that LE has arrested Justin... they have not arrested any other man that solicited sex from Jaymie..

while she may have been doing this (prostitution) it does NOT give Justin a free pass to murder her... and it does not mean that LE does not investigate her case like they would any other missing person/homicide because of this fact.

thank you melissasmom for the link... Jaymie seemed to have been engaging in a very high risk lifestyle that for sure could have put her in harms way..

at this point however, it seems that the danger came from within her very own home.

I hope the formal charges are filed soon.

No, but they looked at another man (named something like Cyr) and impounded his vehicle for forensic testing. IIRC, he had hooked up with her prior, and had made contact with her near the time she went missing but he stated he wasn't able to meet up with her that night. IIRC, again. It just seems pretty undeniable that what Justin was saying is true - that she has a history of meeting men for sex. This isn't something he made up to make her look bad, IMHO.

I'm not saying that because she was a prostitute he had a right to kill her - but rather, because she was a prostitute, it seems highly likely that she was in harm's way from a client. She seems to have two very strong possibilities - that her husband who had abused her prior and has some shady stories, vs. a woman who is leaving the house in the wee hours to meet with clients for sex. Both are strong possibilities for harming her.

Again, I don't know what any of the forensic testing has turned up.

 

[JeannaT]

I think we all understand what you are trying to say, no worries there. Poor Jaymie, it just seems like her life has been troubled from every aspect. And I really feel badly for the children. I hope they have lots of loving people in their lives to help them. And one of the boys ( I don't remember which one) just lost his dad not too many months ago, now his mom's gone too

And sadly, they're all split up now too.

 

[nursebeeme]

No, but they looked at another man (named something like Cyr) and impounded his vehicle for forensic testing. IIRC, he had hooked up with her prior, and had made contact with her near the time she went missing but he stated he wasn't able to meet up with her that night. IIRC, again. It just seems pretty undeniable that what Justin was saying is true - that she has a history of meeting men for sex. This isn't something he made up to make her look bad, IMHO.

I'm not saying that because she was a prostitute he had a right to kill her - but rather, because she was a prostitute, it seems highly likely that she was in harm's way from a client. She seems to have two very strong possibilities - that her husband who had abused her prior and has some shady stories, vs. a woman who is leaving the house in the wee hours to meet with clients for sex. Both are strong possibilities for harming her.

Again, I don't know what any of the forensic testing has turned up.

I completely agree that prostitution put her at great risk..

that being said,

her husband has been arrested for the murder.. not the other man who also had his car "tested"....and also her husband's cell phone from earlier articles did not ping where he said he was.. but off the same tower as Jaymie's cell phone.

another article posted in the thread says that more information will be released with the formal charges... which will most likely come after the mental evaluation that he is currently undergoing per the links yesterday.

truly sad for all the children...

 

[octobermoon]

New Details Revealed In Murder Of Pregnant Blanchard Mom

http://www.newson6.com/story/16656313/new-details-revealed-in-murder-of-pregnant-blanchard-mom

 

[dillysmom11]

For some reason I am really skeptical of her claims of abuse. Most women who are abused need to be told where/how to get help, this is a woman who (apparently) knew how to work the system... That said, who really knows?

 

[cluciano63]

New Details Revealed In Murder Of Pregnant Blanchard Mom

http://www.newson6.com/story/16656313/new-details-revealed-in-murder-of-pregnant-blanchard-mom

This article says no formal charges have been filed. How long do they have in Oklahoma?

While I am glad he has been arrested, I do hope LE is right and has a lot of evidence. I guess I am not used to seeing arrests in cases in OK, no offense to anyone there. JMO

 

[BritsKate]

For some reason I am really skeptical of her claims of abuse. Most women who are abused need to be told where/how to get help, this is a woman who (apparently) knew how to work the system... That said, who really knows?

BBM
Can I ask what this is based on? Jaymie sought help from Grady County Sheriff's Department November 2nd. It is likely they informed her of where/how to get help.

MOO if she were "working the system" Justin would have multiple arrests for domestic violence. But according to the article Octobermoon posted LE was unable to pursue filing a domestic abuse report because Jaymie stated she had no physical injuries November 7th and declined to press charges November 2nd. Not, in my opinion, the action of a spiteful spouse simply out to demonize their husband.

 

[SurfieTX]

Jaymie twice reached out to police officers, saying she needed help to get away from her husband, Justin Adams. Only an hour after leaving a domestic violence shelter, she told police she was again afraid of her husband:

Norman 911 Dispatcher: Can I have your name and number?

Caller: My name is Jaymie Adams.

Norman 911: What's the problem?

Caller: My husband, I had left him earlier today and gone to a domestic violence shelter. He just started flipping out and slamming the brakes on the car and stuff.

Norman police met Jaymie Adams, her husband, Justin, and her three kids at a local hardware store on November 7 when she called from the business asking for help. Captain Tom Easley says Jaymie explained to officers that her husband Justin abused her,

"When we got there she indicated she wanted to get away from her husband and that she was fearing violence."

http://www.news9.com/story/16656313/new-details-revealed-in-murder-of-pregnant-blanchard-mom

 

[Fishee]

BBM
Can I ask what this is based on? Jaymie sought help from Grady County Sheriff's Department November 2nd. It is likely they informed her of where/how to get help.

MOO if she were "working the system" Justin would have multiple arrests for domestic violence. But according to the article Octobermoon posted LE was unable to pursue filing a domestic abuse report because Jaymie stated she had no physical injuries November 7th and declined to press charges November 2nd. Not, in my opinion, the action of a spiteful spouse simply out to demonize their husband.

Sure it could. That situation could just as easily point to her "just wanting to teach him a lesson, or scare him."

This article says no formal charges have been filed. How long do they have in Oklahoma?

I'm confused... I always thought a "complaint" meant "charged."