OK OK - Mannford, UncFem 21-35, UP12202, pubis defect, terry cloth 'Mistra' dress & bootie, Aug'82

[Laughing]

@LaborDayRN , also our favorite nurse, who may have a great deal of knowledge about pubis defects.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[Pseudonymph]

Transgender surgery?

 

[Laughing]

@Nurse Gen , whose username I noticed re: Tylee & JJ.

 

[LaborDayRN]

@LaborDayRN , also our favorite nurse, who may have a great deal of knowledge about pubis defects.

jmho ymmv lrr

The description of the injury is rather vague but it may have been caused by a car accident.

What causes a pelvic fracture?
Most pelvic fractures happen during high-speed accidents (such as car or motorcycle crashes) or falls from great heights. Pelvic fractures can also occur spontaneously or after minor falls in people with bone-weakening diseases such as osteoporosis. Less commonly, pelvic fractures may occur during high-impact athletic activities.
Pelvic Fracture | Cedars-Sinai

Or perhaps it was postpartum symphysis pubis diastasis. ??
Postpartum symphysis pubis diastasis
I'm leaning toward some type of injury that may have healed on it's own.

 

[taramarie]

I still think this is a good possibility. .

Admittedly, I have had a lot going on and forgot to submit. Michael Nance is the NamUs contact for both Kathleen Royce and the UID, so I emailed him with details a few minutes ago. I’ll keep all of you updated if I hear back. Thanks for reminding me!

 

[taramarie]

Admittedly, I have had a lot going on and forgot to submit. Michael Nance is the NamUs contact for both Kathleen Royce and the UID, so I emailed him with details a few minutes ago. I’ll keep all of you updated if I hear back. Thanks for reminding me!

Received the “thank you for the submission” email that says NamUs staff will review and pass along to investigation agencies.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Reconstructions by LaVonne Stickrod added to NAMUS.

 

[Caring1]

2 exclusions listed on NamUs:

Missing Person / NamUs #MP8816Judie Munguia
Date of Last ContactMay 28, 1981
StateTX
CountyEctor

Missing Person / NamUs #MP35284Deborah Farmer
Date of Last ContactJune 01, 1981
StateOK
CountyOklahoma

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The remains of a female were found on August 19th, 1982 in Mannford. The remains were found five miles north of Mannford. The woman was likely between the ages of 21 and 35 and had been dead for a few months before being found. She had brown hair.

NamUs #UP12202

Mannford 1982 — Oklahoma Cold Cases

oklahomacoldcases.org

 

[taramarie]

2 exclusions listed on NamUs:

Missing Person / NamUs #MP8816Judie Munguia
Date of Last ContactMay 28, 1981
StateTX
CountyEctor

Missing Person / NamUs #MP35284Deborah Farmer
Date of Last ContactJune 01, 1981
StateOK
CountyOklahoma

Still the same two ruleouts listed today. I’ll follow up on Kathleen Henson

 

[whorton]

Still the same two ruleouts listed today. I’ll follow up on Kathleen Henson

I would certainly be interested. It would be nice, as old as this case is, if the PD would look into it again, and maybe publicly release the man they suspected of the crimes name. Apparent, he was a fellow that was known to police and did not have the best reputation. Of course Kathleen had recently had the man's child, meaning he would have been on the hook for child support. It certainly would not be the first killing of a mother to avoid that.

The $64,000 question is whether he took the child and gave him to someone else to raise as their own, or if he killed them both?

 

[heartanium]

21 August 1982, The Tulsa World, pg 32

-small framed
-dental bridge on either side of her upper front teeth
-a "healed puncture would to the left pelvis, possibly an old bullet wound, though not necessarily"
-1-2 month PMI probable

 

[Ozoner]

I would certainly be interested. It would be nice, as old as this case is, if the PD would look into it again, and maybe publicly release the man they suspected of the crimes name. Apparent, he was a fellow that was known to police and did not have the best reputation. Of course Kathleen had recently had the man's child, meaning he would have been on the hook for child support. It certainly would not be the first killing of a mother to avoid that.

The $64,000 question is whether he took the child and gave him to someone else to raise as their own, or if he killed them both?

Those guys pretty much always kill the child, too.

 

[taramarie]

I did send a follow up email, but have not received a response.

 

[carbuff]

2 exclusions listed on NamUs:

Missing Person / NamUs #MP8816Judie Munguia
Date of Last ContactMay 28, 1981
StateTX
CountyEctor

Missing Person / NamUs #MP35284Deborah Farmer
Date of Last ContactJune 01, 1981
StateOK
CountyOklahoma

Two more exclusions:

MP36410 Denise Beaudin 11/26/1981 Hillsborough NH
MP7578 Donna Kingston 05/11/1984 Cherokee OK

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Otterly]

Two more exclusions:

MP36410 Denise Beaudin 11/26/1981 Hillsborough NH
MP7578 Donna Kingston 05/11/1984 Cherokee OK

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

I'm not sure why someone who went missing two years after this UID was found would need to be ruled out, but at least PD is working on the case.

 

[carbuff]

I'm not sure why someone who went missing two years after this UID was found would need to be ruled out, but at least PD is working on the case.

Yeah that's a weird one. It appears there's no ambiguity about Kingston's missing date, either.