Found Deceased OK - Mark Chastain, Billy Chastain, Mike Sparks, Alex Stevens, Okmulgee, 9 Oct 2022

[neesaki]

Not to be a smart alec but here's an interesting one just South of Oklahoma in Texas. Probably has a thread here on WS.

Murdered Southlake Man Headed Major Mexican Drug Cartel, Attorney Says

A lawyer murdered in Southlake three years ago was the “de facto head” of a major Mexican drug Cartel, according to a defense attorney for one of three men charged in the slaying.

www.nbcdfw.com

Unbelievable. Up until a few years ago we would go to Southlake for weekend getaways. Very upscale and safe. Or so we thought.
A more recent article on that case.

How A Cartel-Linked Murder Rocked A Wealthy Dallas Suburb

Juan Guerrero Chapa was out getting frozen yogurt with his wife when he was gunned down in his Range Rover.

www.texasmonthly.com

 

[Cryptic]

Online hit a lick - Wiktionary, I find it identified both as African American vernacular and as Multicultural London English. (Still sounds to me like it's related to an animal's good luck in finding a salt lick.)

It sounds that way to me too. I think your analysis as to the term's original meaning is far better than the vague information in Wilktionary.

 

[Razz]

Possibly planning to try to leave the country. Or just trying to get as far away as possible.

I'm thinking he may have had a relative there.

 

[Allynator]

But why the dismemberment.............

JK ever have drug charges? Could he have been in a meth-fueled paranoia induced rage?

 

[GDawg89]

I wonder why he ran to Florida and what his plan was after that? Or maybe he didn't have a plan and he was just running scared.

Agree, as a resident of Daytona area & after catching up some on WS, the @Ed Teach description of the Okmulghee, Ok, the residents, the scrap yard, businesses etc.. has me wondering what brings a 67 year old scrap yard Owner from a remote small town in the heartland of our country to Daytona Beach Shores, FL., was he temporarily staying at a hotel or passing through going south, has he been here before?

FWIW, our area has the following surrounding small municipalities with the Shores being #1 in terms of highest probability to be pulled over for speeding, tag stickers, blinkers, red lights. Not only that, its the only place where I see them pull you over in lane of traffic, no chance to even pull off into a parking lot:
City of Ormond Beach
City of Holly Hill
City of Daytona Beach
City of Daytona Beach Shores
City of South Daytona
City of Port Orange
City of Ponce Inlet
Each of these have their own police department and the jurisdiction area is the smallest in the Shores because it is situated on the beach side, narrow width between Atlantic Ocean and Intercoastal Halifax River. With only 2 main roads running north & south, AIA and S. Peninsula, it is well known that The Shores police will pull you over for 40 in a 35. I told my teenage sons and anyone visiting Shores, or driving to Port Orange/Ponce Inlet, set your cruise control in the Shores. They are also known for random running of tags in parking lots of bars/restaurants. Recent arrest where they waited for person to leave the bar, got in car and made arrest. JK was arrested at the Botehfur beach approach which leads me to believe he may have been parked illegally as there are no beach approach parking spaces between A1A and beach. IMO.. it is very possible JK would still be at large if he did not pass through Daytona Beach Shores.

He is scheduled to appear at 1:30PM today, News 9 is scheduled to report from courthouse and the Charging Affidavit has not been posted yet. AMOO

 

[Wallendo]

I doubt there were cameras at the junkyard. If LE had noticed cameras they would have asked permission to view the images for evidence related to what was at the time a disappearance. If there were no recordings available, they would likely have become much more suspicious and requested a warrant to seize the hard-drives or whatever storage media was present.

If the reports about the POI are all true, especially rumors that he was fencing stolen goods, the 4 victims likely would have known about that and had the sense not to steal from the "fence".

Although it is possible that the planned heist was the 4 victims first ever crime, I find that unlikely. I suspect the 4 victims were going to meet somebody, and possible do a job for this person or group - and things went wrong. Possibly this person was the POI, or it could be another entity (although the POI may have had knowledge of involvement). I doubt cartel involvement, but I suspect this is more than just a few dudes caught stealing catalytic converters

Also, somewhere there has to be a bloody vehicle used to haul the body parts. Did the POI own other vehicles?

 

[Friday Fan]

Agree, as a resident of Daytona area & after catching up some on WS, the @Ed Teach description of the Okmulghee, Ok, the residents, the scrap yard, businesses etc.. has me wondering what brings a 67 year old scrap yard Owner from a remote small town in the heartland of our country to Daytona Beach Shores, FL., was he temporarily staying at a hotel or passing through going south, has he been here before?

FWIW, our area has the following surrounding small municipalities with the Shores being #1 in terms of highest probability to be pulled over for speeding, tag stickers, blinkers, red lights. Not only that, its the only place where I see them pull you over in lane of traffic, no chance to even pull off into a parking lot:
City of Ormond Beach
City of Holly Hill
City of Daytona Beach
City of Daytona Beach Shores
City of South Daytona
City of Port Orange
City of Ponce Inlet
Each of these have their own police department and the jurisdiction area is the smallest in the Shores because it is situated on the beach side, narrow width between Atlantic Ocean and Intercoastal Halifax River. With only 2 main roads running north & south, AIA and S. Peninsula, it is well known that The Shores police will pull you over for 40 in a 35. I told my teenage sons and anyone visiting Shores, or driving to Port Orange/Ponce Inlet, set your cruise control in the Shores. They are also known for random running of tags in parking lots of bars/restaurants. Recent arrest where they waited for person to leave the bar, got in car and made arrest. JK was arrested at the Botehfur beach approach which leads me to believe he may have been parked illegally as there are no beach approach parking spaces between A1A and beach. IMO.. it is very possible JK would still be at large if he did not pass through Daytona Beach Shores.

He is scheduled to appear at 1:30PM today, News 9 is scheduled to report from courthouse and the Charging Affidavit has not been posted yet. AMOO

He has a long list of traffic violations, including speeding.
Who knows?? I'm his age. In the 70's Daytona Beach used to be the "Spring Break Capitol of the World"...I spent a spring break there..Anyway people his age are familiar with Daytona Beach.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yeah we might really want to make a map and pin down exactly what was said about the phones and travel and add in where they found Joe's car.

When LE talks about them leaving the home, it was said they left Billy's home and W 6th St was named in another article. They left town going east and at some point went south on 75. Mark and Mike are believed to be the only 2 who had cell phones. (Marks' car's location is a ? to me)

The salvage yard on 20th St near Madison Ave. must be the junkyard-looking place directly across the road from PACCAR Winch. It's a blue bldg just several hundred feet east of that intersection. Looking at the map, where Billy's house was located on 6th, would likely determine the direction they took to the junkyard. If they lived on the far west end, the easiest way to get there would be to go south on Madison. If they lived further east, then going east to 75 would probably be quicker.

 

[Friday Fan]

I doubt there were cameras at the junkyard. If LE had noticed cameras they would have asked permission to view the images for evidence related to what was at the time a disappearance. If there were no recordings available, they would likely have become much more suspicious and requested a warrant to seize the hard-drives or whatever storage media was present.

If the reports about the POI are all true, especially rumors that he was fencing stolen goods, the 4 victims likely would have known about that and had the sense not to steal from the "fence".

Although it is possible that the planned heist was the 4 victims first ever crime, I find that unlikely. I suspect the 4 victims were going to meet somebody, and possible do a job for this person or group - and things went wrong. Possibly this person was the POI, or it could be another entity (although the POI may have had knowledge of involvement). I doubt cartel involvement, but I suspect this is more than just a few dudes caught stealing catalytic converters

Also, somewhere there has to be a bloody vehicle used to haul the body parts. Did the POI own other vehicles?

That's how I see it. It also explains how all four were shot. I assumed they were gonna sell to/obtain catalytic converters or something for the POI and things went wrong. I don't believe they tried to steal from him. I believe they were gonna do a job for him or some kind of business...MOO

I'm of the mind that they thought he was gonna pay them alot of money to fence catalytic converters and it turns out he wasn't gonna pay them what they thought they would get paid..MOO Deal gone wrong...

Somehow they were all in the same room or something. Things got ugly. Four guys get mad. The four guys looked like they could be testosterone fueled when things got wrong. So, out came the gun MOO

MOO..Just speculation

 

[Elley Mae]

Hubby has shot 3-gun matches, I asked him about shooting 4 individuals. He said if their are not armed no problem, if their armed probably not.

There may have been a hole in fence if there is one, could have come in the yard from the rear. May have shot them coming in going out. LE said there was nothing they could see in the yard but on the adjacent lot. From looking at maps it seems it would be in the rear(north) or left side(west).

Jmo

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

Yeah we might really want to make a map and pin down exactly what was said about the phones and travel and add in where they found Joe's car.

I'm not good at making maps, but I have described earlier on this thread, given the LE description of victim Mark Chastain's phone locations, which were given to LE by Mark's wife, who had a phone location app to follow her husband's phone. Only the phone traveled, not the victims, per LE. These are the 3 locations;

Across the street from
1204 W 20 St, Okmulgee, OK Jk's yard, a mile from Billy's house

1750 S Wood Dr, Okmulgee Murphy's gas station
21625 236 ROAD OKMULGEE, OK JK's larger salvage yard and house

Both the gas station and 236 rd locations are also on/off of the same HWY

The 4 men were on bicycles, towing some type of trailers, it was a short ride to the first yard.
After a couple of hours, Mark's phone went to the gas station. The victims did not go to the gas station, per LE seeing video. I believe that when LE saw the video, they saw JK.
Mark's phone then went south on the HWY to JK's. The phone was shut off there.
The dismemberment site is the vacant lot/field adjacent to the yard,
W 20th and Madison Rd
The bridge/river is located nearer to the first salvage yard, in the opposite direction.

Search for 4 missing Okmulgee men continues

The search for four missing Okmulgee men continues after a search of their last known location yielded no results Wednesday.

okcfox.com

 

[carbuff]

re: hit a lick

I don't know if this is related, but when I was growing up in Montana, "lick" was slang for beating somebody soundly. As in, "The Yankees sure licked the Guardians in that playoff series."

It was also commonly used in a gambling context. "I sure licked those marks at poker on Friday."

I can see how that might evolve to the current usage, or it might be coincidence.

 

[Cryptic]

I doubt cartel involvement, but I suspect this is more than just a few dudes caught stealing catalytic converters

I think you could well be right- especially as I suspect that the first thing scrap yards owners remove and keep very secure from infiltrating area meth heads are the pricey and easily removable catalytic converters.

As others have stated, this venture was very likely not the four men's "first rodeo" into the world of "hitting licks" of the petty crime kind.

Ignoring for the time being what assuming makes people and going with the seemingly reasonable possibility that easily accessible catalytic converters are few and far between on scrap yard cars. Thee financial motive possibilities seem to be:


A. A hope to get really lucky regarding finding a mother lode of accessible ccs- but more likely loading up on low value "this and that" type stuff. Absent a rare mother lode, crime makes sense only for low income perps in a low income area. -or-

B. As you say, there is something more going with the men and with the scrap yard beyond unlikely ccs and this and stealing low value this and that.

 

[Cryptic]

I don't know if this is related, but when I was growing up in Montana, "lick" was slang for beating somebody sounds. As in, "The Yankees sure licked the Guardians in that playoff series."

I have heard it used that way as well growing up in small town Texas: "Daniel got licked in that fight after school."

I am guessing that this usage has a dark past involving the use of whips to punish convicts, slaves, and to keep military discipline.

Perhaps its linked to whips resembling tongues, or when they are used by somebody who knows what they are doing, whips leave long stripes on a person's body that vaguely resemble a lick mark?

 

[FrostedGlass]

In an Indiana trial, one member of the Latin Kings messaged another one that he had a lick. The prosecutor convinced the jury the lick was a robbery of jewelry a third party was wearing. A crown with 5 points is a LK sign. One of the Chastains has a similar crown tat. We've talked a lot about cartels but gangs do a lot of killings, too.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Good points. But the 4 men somehow did hear about a lucrative deal of some sort going down at or next door to the scrapyard. So, they probably weren't in the cartel life, but could have had connections that informed them of some attractive action (possibly cartel-related, or not). And the action could have been hot enough, that any unexpected witnesses had to be disposed of.

Anyway, yeah, we don't know, so all we can do is guess. Meanwhile, the silence from LE regarding Kennedy, now that he's in their custody, is deafening.

I think LE wants to be careful since they'd have to affirmatively prove A) He shot them B) It was a criminal act rather than self-defense. Something else also occured to me today in that the scrapyard owner might have been the victim and possibly even framed. With that 5th person informant who decided not to participate, it's possible there was as-yet unidentified/unknown 5th member who killed everyone and took the loot all for themselves. If there was a replacement 5th person, it could explain a lot. I'd imagine the crew wasn't just planning on giving away easy money so a 5th person might have been needed rather than a criminal crew just giving away part of their share of the loot...alternatively the 5th person replacement could have been friends with the salvage guy where the replacement 5th and the salvage guy jointly killed and disposed of the the four, which this explanation of a replacement person being in cahoots with the salvage guy would be the easiest explanation for how the bodies were disposed of so quickly.

 

[Friday Fan]

In an Indiana trial, one member of the Latin Kings messaged another one that he had a lick. The prosecutor convinced the jury the lick was a robbery of jewelry a third party was wearing. A crown with 5 points is a LK sign. One of the Chastains has a similar crown tat. We've talked a lot about cartels but gangs do a lot of killings, too.

Yeah...I agree about gangs.
But right now the POI is a 67 yo dude who stole a car and ran away to Daytona Beach.

 

[Valiant]

I think too much is being made about what is a common slang term:

Urban Dictionary: hit a lick

hit a lick: a robbery

www.urbandictionary.com

 

[Soulmagent]

There is also the chance that this had little to do with the cc's ,and they could have been going to steal someones outdoor grow and each planned to grab plant or three for an easy dreamed 30 pounds of fast free weed which could have been close by to these locations and cartel and be connected to Joe as well. We just cant know without more infomation.

 

[Friday Fan]

Loved Ones Remember Brothers Murdered In Okmulgee

A person of interest is in custody in connection to four men who were shot and dismembered in Okmulgee. The family of two of the murdered men said they've been praying the truth would surface and God would shed light on any darkness.

www.newson6.com

Their family admits Mark and Billy Chastain were ornery and had a difficult upbringing,