OK - Mother and stepfather charged after 11-year old girl gives birth at home - MUSKOGEE, Aug 2025

  • #161
Woah, 10%? I feel like that’s high!
Ok, I found the study that @TMich6811 is referencing:

Overall, 11.7% of the 6632 participants reported having experienced at least one form of educator sexual misconduct during Grades K-12, with 11% reporting sexual comments and less than 1% reporting other forms of sexual misconduct (e.g., receiving sexual photos/messages, being kissed, touched sexually, or engaging in sexual intercourse/oral sex). — The Nature and Scope of Educator Misconduct in K-12


The only thing I can say is (as a self proclaimed “nerd” that loves data😊)—

I think more than 6632 participants should be surveyed to determine more realistic numbers (approx 55+ million students are enrolled in public schooling in the USA based on 2021-2022 statistics / approx 15.5 million enrolled are in grades 9-12)
 
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  • #162
Shame on home school parents who are against regulations!
 
  • #163
Oops I had 2 other links there I’ll add there when I get a parenting break
 
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  • #165
That study is a wide range of misconduct I have 2 links I meant to add. That article speaks to a variety of misconduct they face not just physical assault
I still don't see what this has to do with home schooled kids facing some type of regulations.
 
  • #166
I still don't see what this has to do with home schooled kids facing some type of regulations.

Because the argument is - we have school kids under regulations and we aren’t protecting those kids either. We aren’t listening to their reports from home. We aren’t stopping them from being offended by the people implementing the regulations.

And when we implement this oversight - who is it? CPS who is already failing at protecting kids or schools where kids are getting hurt?
 
  • #167
For legislation to change, one would need to have evidence that children are less educations and at great safety risk being home schooled.

Given that 10% of children are harmed are harmed by a school staff (probs more because under reported) and the current amount of bullying and peer on peer assault, I’m not sure there are statistics to support that theory.

The model would need to compare abuse data, life skills data and educational data (both in a technical level and academic level).

The Nature and Scope of Educator Misconduct in K-12 - PubMed for school abuse stats

One could argue that these cases of abuse happen even when enrolled in school so it’s not about home schooled vs not for these cases (see 10 yr old Rebekah Baptiste) and additionally one could argue that oversight even within the school results in abuse so therefore isn’t helpful.

I do personally feel that all home school families should have some registration system but not sure it’s helpful. Even these extreme cases may just not register or acknowledge the children

The problem is that abused children often (but not always) do start off in the public school system. But then their parents get wind that they can make their child virtually disappear out of the system if they simply utter the words "homeschool." So it creates a little loophole for people who never had any intention of genuinely homeschooling.

So for me personally, it's less about trying to track every single homeschooler or accusing the homeschooling community of being ingenuine. It's more about closing this one loophole, which won't solve all problems, but would be a good start at trying to remove avenues for these types of pathetic people.

As other people have rightly noted, a lot of homeschooling parents come out in force to advocate against any type of regulation out of fear. For example, if anyone remembers the case with Raylee Browning (websleuths thread here), she was dehydrated, starved and beaten to death by her dad and his girlfriend. West Virginia lawmakers tried to pass "Raylee's Law" which would have prevented parents with child abuse investigations from homeschooling their children. It did not pass 15-5, with many lawmakers saying the law could be abused against homeschooling parents (???).

In this OK case with the 11-year-old and siblings, could a law such as requiring notification helped? Requiring yearly testing or portfolios while showing up at the school? We will never know for certain but I'd like to think there may have at least been some questions and worry about the girl's protruding stomach. Maybe it could have at least resulted in the girl giving birth at a hospital and then the abuse being found out there, which at least would have been better than what actually happened. Slight improvements are worth the hassle IMO.

But I think the excuse that because kids who are seeing mandated reporters regularly are still being abused, therefore we should let children further disappear out of society's sight and only be seen by their abusers is a pretty weak position to hold. MOO.
 
  • #168
The problem is that abused children often (but not always) do start off in the public school system. But then their parents get wind that they can make their child virtually disappear out of the system if they simply utter the words "homeschool." So it creates a little loophole for people who never had any intention of genuinely homeschooling.

So for me personally, it's less about trying to track every single homeschooler or accusing the homeschooling community of being ingenuine. It's more about closing this one loophole, which won't solve all problems, but would be a good start at trying to remove avenues for these types of pathetic people.

As other people have rightly noted, a lot of homeschooling parents come out in force to advocate against any type of regulation out of fear. For example, if anyone remembers the case with Raylee Browning (websleuths thread here), she was dehydrated, starved and beaten to death by her dad and his girlfriend. West Virginia lawmakers tried to pass "Raylee's Law" which would have prevented parents with child abuse investigations from homeschooling their children. It did not pass 15-5, with many lawmakers saying the law could be abused against homeschooling parents (???).

In this OK case with the 11-year-old and siblings, could a law such as requiring notification helped? Requiring yearly testing or portfolios while showing up at the school? We will never know for certain but I'd like to think there may have at least been some questions and worry about the girl's protruding stomach. Maybe it could have at least resulted in the girl giving birth at a hospital and then the abuse being found out there, which at least would have been better than what actually happened. Slight improvements are worth the hassle IMO.

But I think the excuse that because kids who are seeing mandated reporters regularly are still being abused, therefore we should let children further disappear out of society's sight and only be seen by their abusers is a pretty weak position to hold. MOO.

I don’t disagree. I’m not arguing there shouldn’t be, as I noted I support a system. I’m saying that’s a huge part of the argument. We aren’t really keeping many kids safe so what’s more oversight going to do.

I don’t think the system is about home schooling though or schools based kids

I actually think - this is US based because I can’t speak else where - that it’s more about having a social worker (of sorts ) assigned to all children for check ins for physical and mental health, dental, educational etc needs. Developmental and needs assessments. A 2-4x a year check in - what resources are needed.

Solves all of the above problems. Prevention vs post intervention

It won’t happen but that’s my ideal fluffy world
 
  • #169
Has anyone seen a source stating that the baby DID survive? I haven’t heard anything about its survival, sex, medical status, custody placement, etc, only that the birth took place and that paternity has been established. Probably this is just to preserve privacy of everyone involved as well as they can in a story this size, but other possibilities do exist.
 
  • #170
Has anyone seen a source stating that the baby DID survive? I haven’t heard anything about its survival, sex, medical status, custody placement, etc, only that the birth took place and that paternity has been established. Probably this is just to preserve privacy of everyone involved as well as they can in a story this size, but other possibilities do exist.
I was wondering this as well. An 11 year old child giving birth at home.. I would not be surprised if the baby didn't make it.
 
  • #171
Has anyone seen a source stating that the baby DID survive? I haven’t heard anything about its survival, sex, medical status, custody placement, etc, only that the birth took place and that paternity has been established. Probably this is just to preserve privacy of everyone involved as well as they can in a story this size, but other possibilities do exist.
That’s a really good question, I have been wondering how authorities figure out about this all to begin with.. A hospital visit due to complications with child birth? the baby? I’m not sure—
 
  • #172

"Hutson said the case is making waves in the community. The 11-year-old and her siblings have been removed from the home."

Nothing about the baby being removed from the home..
 
  • #173
updated OP article

MUSKOGEE, Okla — The Muskogee County District Attorney's Office said an 11-year-old girl gave birth over the weekend, and the girl's stepfather is the baby's father.

Assistant District Attorney Janet Hutson told 2 News DNA testing revealed a 99% certainty Dustin Walker is the baby's father.
FATHER IDENTIFIED: DNA links stepfather to 11-year-old girl's baby


Investigators said the child had not seen a doctor in more than a year and had not received any prenatal care. Hutson told KJRH the incident came to light only after the girl was taken to the hospital following the birth.

“I was horror-stricken to find out it’s an 11-year-old little girl who’s given birth,” Hutson told FOX23. “And that she had no medical care, and she had no one to be with her.”
Parents arrested after 11-year-old gave birth at home with no doctor, police say

Dustin Walker is now charged with sexual abuse of a minor, while Cherie Walker faces charges of enabling child sexual abuse. Prosecutors have also added further counts of child neglect, covering both the childbirth case and the child's siblings in their care
Muskogee County couple faces new sexual abuse charges linked to child neglect case

and now confirmation that of course she wasn't enrolled in school. Way too many mandated reporters found in schools. Livid for this young girl's plight and very glad to see her mother also facing charges for enabling this abuse to befall the girl.

IMHO, this is yet another example that easy access to home schooling is the worst thing we've ever done for children.

MOO.
 
  • #174
Because the argument is - we have school kids under regulations and we aren’t protecting those kids either. We aren’t listening to their reports from home. We aren’t stopping them from being offended by the people implementing the regulations.

And when we implement this oversight - who is it? CPS who is already failing at protecting kids or schools where kids are getting hurt?

Maybe. Schools aren't perfect and neither is CPS. But a teacher and CPS are going to recognize an 11-year-old pregnant student and do something about it. MOO.
 
  • #175
I think if the infant hadn't survived we would have seen more charges on the "adults".
 
  • #176
From what we can determine thus far, it appears that this beastly household was a self-contained unit. Horrors of every sort taking place within, likely unknown to the outside world, with grandma as an accomplice.
Striking similarity to the Turpin case in that respect. I wonder if their neighbours (if they had any close by, I have no idea what sort of area they live in) had any idea what was going on, or if they just seemed like a fairly normal family who preferred to keep to themselves?
 
  • #177

This "grandmother" is a real piece of work. I am glad she was charged, because the outrageous things she says are disgusting.

"They've made my daughter and my son-in-law a monster," she said. "They are not. They love those children. They love them.".

Yeah. The DNA test of the baby is evidence that the son-in-law, is definitely a "Monster".

"In terms of the conditions in the house, Michelle said it has to do with the pets."

Seriously? A house without running water, and feces all over, is blamed on "pets"? Domesticated pets depend on responsible owners to provide training, and appropriate places for their needs.

Cuff Grandma, STAT!
Does she not realise that a huge number of people have pets and our houses are not covered in feces? Did she seriously think people were going to buy that as an excuse?!
 
  • #178
Does she not realise that a huge number of people have pets and our houses are not covered in feces? Did she seriously think people were going to buy that as an excuse?!
Grandma’s FB, linked up thread, reveals she is big on excuses. And asking for prayers as a vehicle for complaining/seeking attention.
 
  • #179
Grandma’s FB, linked up thread, reveals she is big on excuses. And asking for prayers as a vehicle for complaining/seeking attention.
I hope the pets were also removed from the home!
 
  • #180
I hope the pets were also removed from the home!
Me too! Not least because they don’t seem able and/or willing to spay/neuter them.
 

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