OK - Mother and stepfather charged after 11-year old girl gives birth at home - MUSKOGEE, Aug 2025

[Izzylizzy]

It wouldn't have been surprising if we heard that the state wanted the 11 yr old girl to carry to full term and that the case was going through the courts by opponents while the child remained pregnant.
imo



"On August 16, 2025, an 11-year old girl from Muskogee, Oklahoma gave birth after being raped by her stepfather. Oklahoma has a total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest"

Abortion in Oklahoma - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[lonetraveler]

People in power all over the world should really look into making homeschooling only accessible for people that know what they're doing so pedos don't have easier access to children. IMO. Truly despicable and I really hope with all my heart that the kids find loving home(s)

I support this idea. Something needs to change.

 

[lonetraveler]

Me too! Not least because they don’t seem able and/or willing to spay/neuter them.

I know of someone in the household who definitely needs neutering.

 

[AuDHD]

It wouldn't have been surprising if we heard that the state wanted the 11 yr old girl to carry to full term and that the case was going through the courts by opponents while the child remained pregnant.
imo



"On August 16, 2025, an 11-year old girl from Muskogee, Oklahoma gave birth after being raped by her stepfather. Oklahoma has a total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest"

Abortion in Oklahoma - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this is an important point

 

[Winterhike]

this is an important point

I agree. Listen to how up in arms we all are about the situation this child was in (and will live with until her last breath). This is exactly the sort of scenario that even most abortion opponents make exceptions for in their minds. But when you make total ban laws, there is no room for that.

This girl apparently would have needed to be transported across state lines (I don’t know how many states) to obtain the abortion care she certainly should have had. Obviously she doesn’t have any adults who would do that.

 

[NopeNopeNope]

It wouldn't have been surprising if we heard that the state wanted the 11 yr old girl to carry to full term and that the case was going through the courts by opponents while the child remained pregnant.
imo

I'm late to the thread, <modsnip>this is a horrendous, but unfortunately potentially accurate, thought. My own little country is fairly backward, but at least we're taking steps in the right direction with regards to the rights and health of women and children.. or trying to.. at a snails pace.. I mean.. this is Ireland I'm talking about, and 35 years ago we still had the Magdalene Laundries so we're getting somewhere. I feel like America is going back in time by comparison.

One of my daughters is 11 and I cannot imagine her being forced to go through this. I don't want to try either. She's currently asleep in bed, under a blanket with frogs on it, surrounded by teddies. That is how eleven year old girls should be. Safe and protected.

[Edited because I clearly can't spell right now]

 

[Izzylizzy]

I'm late to the thread, <modsnip> this is a horrendous, but unfortunately potentially accurate, thought. My own little country is fairly backward, but at least we're taking steps in the right direction with regards to the rights and health of women and children.. or trying to.. at a snails pace.. I mean.. this is Ireland I'm talking about, and 35 years ago we still had the Magdalene Laundries so we're getting somewhere. I feel like America is going back in time by comparison.

One of my daughters is 11 and I cannot imagine her being forced to go through this. I don't want to try either. She's currently asleep in bed, under a blanket with frogs on it, surrounded by teddies. That is how eleven year old girls should be. Safe and protected.

[Edited because I clearly can't spell right now]

It's like our minds can't even go there, mine freezes.
I have 2 g'daughters, 9.5 and just 12.
America went back to the barbaric.
imo

 

[TMich6811]

I agree. Listen to how up in arms we all are about the situation this child was in (and will live with until her last breath). This is exactly the sort of scenario that even most abortion opponents make exceptions for in their minds. But when you make total ban laws, there is no room for that.

This girl apparently would have needed to be transported across state lines (I don’t know how many states) to obtain the abortion care she certainly should have had. Obviously she doesn’t have any adults who would do that.

 

[mickey2942]

I hope the pets were also removed from the home!

Yes. The poor things have probably been neglected, need a lot of vet care. Pet hoarders are the worst.

 

[Izzylizzy]

For legislation to change, one would need to have evidence that children are less educations and at great safety risk being home schooled.

Given that 10% of children are harmed are harmed by a school staff (probs more because under reported) and the current amount of bullying and peer on peer assault, I’m not sure there are statistics to support that theory.

The model would need to compare abuse data, life skills data and educational data (both in a technical level and academic level).

The Nature and Scope of Educator Misconduct in K-12 - PubMed for school abuse stats

One could argue that these cases of abuse happen even when enrolled in school so it’s not about home schooled vs not for these cases (see 10 yr old Rebekah Baptiste) and additionally one could argue that oversight even within the school results in abuse so therefore isn’t helpful.

I do personally feel that all home school families should have some registration system but not sure it’s helpful. Even these extreme cases may just not register or acknowledge the children

If regulations/laws are broken in schools there's a legal procedure and possible criminal prosecution.
Homeschooling with no regulations for checking in with the family/child is a free-range for abuse.

In many states the biggest problem with H/S
is that there's no oversight and a child can very easily be isolated with continued abuse.

Education is mandatory and in school teachers/staff get to visibly observe the kids/teens and these students have access to adults if they choose to go to for help.

Should a student that the school has concerns about possibly being neglected/abused is suddenly taken out to be home schooled they do have the option of calling CPS for a home check.

Schools today keep close tabs on attendance and absences with enrolled students and are able to contact parents to discuss absences, concerns,etc and put them on record or contact CPS/LE if warranted.

Kids missing school because there is a strong indication that drug abuse is taking place at home with parent(s).

imo

 

[airportwoman]

GRANDMOTHER CHARGED: Court charges grandmother of 11-year-old who gave birth

The Muskogee County District Attorney's Office said DNA results show a 99% chance Dustin Walker is the father of the baby born to an 11-year-old girl in Muskogee County.

www.kjrh.com

"Hutson said the case is making waves in the community. The 11-year-old and her siblings have been removed from the home."

Nothing about the baby being removed from the home..

The baby may still be in the hospital.

 

[airportwoman]

It wouldn't have been surprising if we heard that the state wanted the 11 yr old girl to carry to full term and that the case was going through the courts by opponents while the child remained pregnant.
imo



"On August 16, 2025, an 11-year old girl from Muskogee, Oklahoma gave birth after being raped by her stepfather. Oklahoma has a total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest"

Abortion in Oklahoma - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't think anyone outside the family knew.

 

[NopeNopeNope]

Education is mandatory and in school teachers/staff get to visibly observe the kids/teens and these students have access to adults if they choose to go to for help.

I just want to highlight this part.. In a formal school setting, each child has a variety of adults to choose from if they feel they need help, and hopefully there'd be at least one adult they would trust among the staff. With H/S, there may only be immediate family and if one of them is an abuser, the child may not feel safe talking to anyone in the house.

My kids go to quite a progressive school (by irish standards.. for other Irish people in the thread, it's an Educate Together school) and they have posters up in various places throughout the school basically saying "If I need to talk to someone I can go to..." and then each poster has photos of two different staff members, their name, and where in the building they can usually be found during the school day, and those staff are trained for those specific scenarios. Prompts and training like that may be absent from H/S settings.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

It wouldn't have been surprising if we heard that the state wanted the 11 yr old girl to carry to full term and that the case was going through the courts by opponents while the child remained pregnant.
imo



"On August 16, 2025, an 11-year old girl from Muskogee, Oklahoma gave birth after being raped by her stepfather. Oklahoma has a total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest"

Abortion in Oklahoma - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The catch is "unless it threatens the pregnant individual's life." A 10-year-old's body is underdeveloped and not equipped to have a baby. I doubt that it would have been hard to find a doctor to certify this and state that an abortion was necessary to save her life. The problem is that these two so-called parents were hiding her and the pregnancy. I am truly surprised that she and the baby survived. If she doesn't have irreparable damage to her body, it will be a miracle. That's not including the mental damage that has been done to her.

JMO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I agree. Listen to how up in arms we all are about the situation this child was in (and will live with until her last breath). This is exactly the sort of scenario that even most abortion opponents make exceptions for in their minds. But when you make total ban laws, there is no room for that.

This girl apparently would have needed to be transported across state lines (I don’t know how many states) to obtain the abortion care she certainly should have had. Obviously she doesn’t have any adults who would do that.

BBM:
Crossing state lines for a 10 yr old rape victim led to this stance from the pseudo-moralists who we know damn well would fly their 10 yr old out of the country if need be to terminate the pregnancy.
imo

In 2022, Caitlin Bernard, MD, became a lightning rod in the abortion debate. Here's why she keeps fighting​

https://www.aamc.org/news/2022-caitlin-bernard-md-became-lightning-rod-abortion-debate-heres-why-she-keeps-fighting

Indiana doctor defends actions in 10-year-old rape victim's abortion

An Indianapolis doctor who provided abortion drugs to a 10-year-old rape victim from Ohio has defended her actions before a judge in the case that drew national attention in the weeks after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in June.

www.pbs.org

 

[Izzylizzy]

The catch is "unless it threatens the pregnant individual's life." A 10-year-old's body is underdeveloped and not equipped to have a baby. I doubt that it would have been hard to find a doctor to certify this and state that an abortion was necessary to save her life. The problem is that these two so-called parents were hiding her and the pregnancy. I am truly surprised that she and the baby survived. If she doesn't have irreparable damage to her body, it will be a miracle. That's not including the mental damage that has been done to her.

JMO.

There are those who would reject that on the grounds that every life is sacred, the fetus has rights and 10 yr olds have previously given birth to healthy babies, on and on.
Not even what doctors have to say would shake their sadistic determination to see the pregnancy go to term.

Doctors Appalled By 10-Year-Old Giving Birth

A 10-year-old girl in Colombia recently gave birth via caesarian section, placing her among the youngest mothers in the world. Though the girl is now recovering, her case highlights the dangers of pregnancy before maturity, doctors say.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Winterhike]

There are those who would reject that on the grounds that every life is sacred, the fetus has rights and 10 yr olds have previously given birth to healthy babies, on and on.
Not even what doctors have to say would shake their sadistic determination to see the pregnancy go to term.

Doctors Appalled By 10-Year-Old Giving Birth

A 10-year-old girl in Colombia recently gave birth via caesarian section, placing her among the youngest mothers in the world. Though the girl is now recovering, her case highlights the dangers of pregnancy before maturity, doctors say.

www.nbcnews.com

I don’t want to stray too far into hypotheticals, but part of the logistical trouble states like Oklahoma are currently in is that even if there is technically an exception in the law, it functions like a total ban because nearly all doctors who will certify such an exception have long since fled to practice in places where their licenses and livelihoods aren’t under direct threat.

Not that this victim had access to any doctor at all.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

There are those who would reject that on the grounds that every life is sacred, the fetus has rights and 10 yr olds have previously given birth to healthy babies, on and on.
Not even what doctors have to say would shake their sadistic determination to see the pregnancy go to term.

Doctors Appalled By 10-Year-Old Giving Birth

A 10-year-old girl in Colombia recently gave birth via caesarian section, placing her among the youngest mothers in the world. Though the girl is now recovering, her case highlights the dangers of pregnancy before maturity, doctors say.

www.nbcnews.com

I'm not going to argue the pros and cons. I'm just saying that if this were not an incest situation committed by a stepparent, it could have been done. The little girl was hidden in the house. Any doctor would have been horrified had she been seen by him or her. It is not a normal situation.

JMO.

 

[OneLove]

The catch is "unless it threatens the pregnant individual's life." A 10-year-old's body is underdeveloped and not equipped to have a baby. I doubt that it would have been hard to find a doctor to certify this and state that an abortion was necessary to save her life. The problem is that these two so-called parents were hiding her and the pregnancy. I am truly surprised that she and the baby survived. If she doesn't have irreparable damage to her body, it will be a miracle. That's not including the mental damage that has been done to her.

JMO.

I knew of a young minor who was mentally challenged (and therefore of monetary value to her very very poor backwoods mountain parents) who was used as an incestuous "baby mill" by her parents because each birth-born was also worth monthly income for them. When she required emergency cesarean section, the surgeon found her uterine sack so pathetically thin and also torn from the pregnancy due to extreme malnutrition that another pregnancy would kill her so she tied the fallopian cubes as a lifesaving procedure. The girl was wholly incapable of ever understanding any of this and unable to ever live on her own or care for children. The surgeon was sued and won her case. In today's "dark ages" mindset, she most likely would not today. And this is where we are.

I do often wonder about the mental capabilities of this particular little girl.

 

[nao]

Moo. .I have been wondering about the mental age of the married mother. I think the male is taking advantage. Every child she produces is more $ in his pocket...moo