OK - Mother and stepfather charged after 11-year old girl gives birth at home - MUSKOGEE, Aug 2025

  • #201
I just want to highlight this part.. In a formal school setting, each child has a variety of adults to choose from if they feel they need help, and hopefully there'd be at least one adult they would trust among the staff. With H/S, there may only be immediate family and if one of them is an abuser, the child may not feel safe talking to anyone in the house.

My kids go to quite a progressive school (by irish standards.. for other Irish people in the thread, it's an Educate Together school) and they have posters up in various places throughout the school basically saying "If I need to talk to someone I can go to..." and then each poster has photos of two different staff members, their name, and where in the building they can usually be found during the school day, and those staff are trained for those specific scenarios. Prompts and training like that may be absent from H/S settings.
What an excellent idea for reaching out to students and it's good to hear your school of choice for your children's education.

Also there are times when a girl/boy may confide in their best friend or group of close friends and one of them goes to their parent(s )or a designated school teacher/staffer and tells them what the abused friend told them.
 
  • #202

"Hutson said the case is making waves in the community. The 11-year-old and her siblings have been removed from the home."

Nothing about the baby being removed from the home..
Sometimes when an underaged mother is put in foster care, their child goes with them but isn’t considered directly placed in the care of the foster family because they are still in the care of their mother.
 
  • #203
Sometimes when an underaged mother is put in foster care, their child goes with them but isn’t considered directly placed in the care of the foster family because they are still in the care of their mother.
And hopefully that works out for teen mothers and their babies though statistically the odds are highly against both going forward.

I don't believe I'm being insensitive but sending the baby with a traumatized ( most likely for years to come) 11 yr old girl who experienced a totally unimaginative horror seems to me to be putting more abuse on top of the sadistic abuse she just experienced.

Then again who knows what's happening and why?
Hopefully she has the best of therapists and caregivers/advocates.
 
  • #204
I don't believe I'm being insensitive but sending the baby with a traumatized ( most likely for years to come) 11 yr old girl who experienced a totally unimaginative horror seems to me to be putting more abuse on top of the sadistic abuse she just experienced.
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all of this is JMO. I agree but OTOH, I can see why removing the child from her would be considered traumatic as well.
Some children who are harmed by their parents feel unloved/unwanted/unnecessary. They may have abandonment issues. They may look at having a baby as a way to ‘start fresh’ and finally have a loving family. To be needed by someone, to matter. A baby isn’t going to abandon you bc it can’t.

I’m not saying it’s healthy to replace parental love with a baby, just that some abused kids may want to show the baby the love they didn’t get in order to fill that wretched void. Idk if an 11 yo is thinking in those terms, of course! She’s so young it’s heartbreaking

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  • #205
Moo...I hope that the child is placed in a home, where boundaries and communication can be learned. Taking the choice away from girl about whether to keep or adopt /foster out baby...can wait for awhile, she has a lot to process. She should be allowed to make the choice. She needs to understand that what she thinks and wants is important. I really wish her well....moo
 
  • #206
Just now saw this story for the first time. Just a horrible betrayal of the daughter by her parents. Are there siblings in the home? I don't recall seeing that mentioned.
 
  • #207
Just now saw this story for the first time. Just a horrible betrayal of the daughter by her parents. Are there siblings in the home? I don't recall seeing that mentioned.
there were at least three siblings in the home and the mother is currently pregnant. The children have all been removed and the parents are in jail
 
  • #208
Just now saw this story for the first time. Just a horrible betrayal of the daughter by her parents. Are there siblings in the home? I don't recall seeing that mentioned.
The neighbor states there were six children in the home.

 
  • #209
I wonder mom’s true level involvement. I hope they can get a good assessment from forensic interviewing and witness statements
 
  • #210
It wouldn't have been surprising if we heard that the state wanted the 11 yr old girl to carry to full term and that the case was going through the courts by opponents while the child remained pregnant.
imo



"On August 16, 2025, an 11-year old girl from Muskogee, Oklahoma gave birth after being raped by her stepfather. Oklahoma has a total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest"




i do believe the parents, and by association, the grandmother are at fault here. It is incest, for Pete's sake, and they needed to cover up.

But what if, just IF the parents did attempt to do something about it... you are probably correct in assuming the State would insist on her carrying to term......
THEN, who is really to blame here.
 
  • #211
i do believe the parents, and by association, the grandmother are at fault here. It is incest, for Pete's sake, and they needed to cover up.

But what if, just IF the parents did attempt to do something about it... you are probably correct in assuming the State would insist on her carrying to term......
THEN, who is really to blame here.

The man who illegally impregnated a child.

JMO
 
  • #212
i do believe the parents, and by association, the grandmother are at fault here. It is incest, for Pete's sake, and they needed to cover up.

But what if, just IF the parents did attempt to do something about it... you are probably correct in assuming the State would insist on her carrying to term......
THEN, who is really to blame here.
The stepfather who raped his 11 year old stepdaughter
 
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But what if, just IF the parents did attempt to do something about it... you are probably correct in assuming the State would insist on her carrying to term......
THEN, who is really to blame here.

The man who illegally impregnated a child.

The stepfather who raped his 11 year old stepdaughter

Totally agree. The blame is entirely at the feet of the stepfather who raped her, probably when she was only 10 if she gave birth at 11.

Next would be the mother, followed by the grandmother, who had to know but covered it up.

We wouldn’t even have to think about state laws regarding pregnancy/abortion if he hadn’t raped this little girl.

IMO
 
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  • #217
What an excellent idea for reaching out to students and it's good to hear your school of choice for your children's education.

Also there are times when a girl/boy may confide in their best friend or group of close friends and one of them goes to their parent(s )or a designated school teacher/staffer and tells them what the abused friend told them.
There's also the fact that if an abused child is isolated and rarely sees others outside their household, they might not gain the perspective to help them realise that what's going on in their home isn't normal.
 
  • #218
There's also the fact that if an abused child is isolated and rarely sees others outside their household, they might not gain the perspective to help them realise that what's going on in their home isn't normal.
Moo...that is so very true. Even if children are around other children, children are taught to obey their parents. It's not like parents say .. I'm abusing you...children learn what's right n wrong from their parents..and parents rationalize there treatment of child. Most children do not realize they are being abused....moo
 
  • #219
Only the parents are trash. The children are innocent.

To this day, it's still not uncommon for children who are being abused in any manner (and unfortunately, sometimes adults too) to not know whether it's right or wrong, just that they didn't like it.
 
  • #220

"Hutson said the case is making waves in the community. The 11-year-old and her siblings have been removed from the home."

Nothing about the baby being removed from the home..
Unless I have something confused, the baby would also be a step-sibling to the 11-year-old mother (💔), so this could still include the baby.

MOO

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