Identified! OK - OSBI Needs Help to ID Woman In Photo *Resolved*

[docwho3]

. . .I don't see a hairclip. Can you be more specific?. . .

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/Doezz/ear3b.jpg

. . .I think you may be seeing the whte threaded outline stiching on her robe in the background of her mouth. . .

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/Doezz/mouth2.jpg

ETA: Some have referred to it as a worm coming from the mouth but it does not look like that to me. It looks like a stranded cord of some sort.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The first could be clip or just a piece of the white cording. Nevermind about the second one...I see what you mean. Hmmm..I see where you are going with this. Could be.

 

[docwho3]

The first could be clip or just a piece of the white cording. Nevermind about the second one...I see what you mean. Hmmm..I see where you are going with this. Could be.

I circled the string. It is much large in diameter than the small robe threads, none of which are large enough to be seen individually even at this level of magnification.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/Doezz/mouth3.jpg

 

[Reannan]

docwho3, I am impressed with your software for examining these pictures! I am still not sure what to make of the "hair clip" or "rope" or whatever it is that is tangled in her head, but after studying doc's enlarged picture (which is much clearer than anything I could get that large), I think the thing in her mouth is a screw of some sort. Look at it! The concentric "lines" that others have mentioned are just too machine-tooled to be anything else. They even travel in a downward spiral like a screw. The "head" of the screw is a bit more difficult to make out, but I can see it. What do ya'll think? I don't even want to think about what it might mean.....but I will......

 

[KOOL LOOK]

I can't add much, but something I haven't seen mentioned, and I can't believe no one has is,

This white cord, rope whatever you want to call it, could very well be a devise used by the killer, or person prepping the body to pull her scalp, brain material and hair back into shape for whatever purpose to view.

I am on the side she was probably shot in the head from the left and exit wound being up in the area of the head where we see the exposed brain and hair mixed in blood.

Remember John F. Kennedy's assassination, when he was shot in the head Jackie jumped in back of the car grabbing part of his scalp that blew off?

We know the photo was staged for purposes of the photo, a gunshot probably ripped and tore this area open and needed to be bound back together.

 

[docwho3]

. . .We know the photo was staged for purposes of the photo, a gunshot probably ripped and tore this area open and needed to be bound back together.

I have thought of the possibility that it might be a medical clip of some sort but I am unfamiliar with the device that would be used for such a purpose and hoped that a doctor or other professional with knowledge of such a clip or device might see it in my enlargement and speak up to enlighten us. I was a bit embarrassed about thinking it was a torture thing and so decided to err on the side of caution and only post it as being a hair clip. Whether it is a scalp holding device or merely a hair clip or a cord tie it does not seem to be a torture device as I first thought.

 

[trixie]

Thank you for clarifying that. I too am impressed with your software and your knowledge. However, I have to say, especially now that I've seen these things blown up and outlined on the screen that I still think that is white stitching on the robe and the other thing is a fly. I also don't see a hairclip, i just see hair. Anybody?

 

[KatK]

Why can't it be the sewn part of a hair extension, or glue from a hair extension? I don't know how likely that is since she's Iraqi though. Also, I think they try to match the color of the hair when sewing in a weave, don't they?

 

[Kymistry35]

I circled the string. It is much large in diameter than the small robe threads, none of which are large enough to be seen individually even at this level of magnification.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/Doezz/mouth3.jpg

It still looks like a scab with a fly on it to me.

 

[kgeaux]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/Doezz/ear3b.jpg


http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/Doezz/mouth2.jpg

ETA: Some have referred to it as a worm coming from the mouth but it does not look like that to me. It looks like a stranded cord of some sort.

Good catch on the first one, but I think the second one is stitching on the collar of her robe. The stitching matches the pattern on the yoke of the robe.



AHH, I should have read furthur, doc. The "spot" you've circled has intrigued me. I don't think it's emanating from her mouth, I see it as being on her upper lip area. To me, it's either a scab....kinda a funny looking one because of the *line* formation, or a fly.....that was my first decision, but then the number of legs is all wrong, so it would be kinda a funny looking one, or it could be stitches. The black horizontal lines are relatively evenly spaced, looks like stitches to me.

 

[lizzybeth]

When I really concentrate on the pic of her mouth I do see something that looks like threads (as if on a screw). After looking at it for a while though it also seems like it could be stitches. Horizontal stitches. Notice that it looks puffy around the lines like maybe the lip is swollen.

 

[docwho3]

I think I will take a break from staring at the images for awhile. If you stare at them too long you can probably begin to think you see santa and all his elves in the pic - lol

As to someone mentioning a hair extension: It sounds interesting. I am willing to accept anything if we can compare it and agree. Does anyone have a pic of such a part of one that would show close up so we could see the similarity?

 

[lizzybeth]

I went back and looked at the total picture again. If you notice where the line of her forehead and hair meet...doesn't that look like too perfect a line. Like maybe someone parted the hair their purposely or maybe it is because of extensions. I wish I had a way of circling what I'm talking about. I know this is stereotypical but I wouldn't think of Middle Eastern women having extensions. They usually have such beautiful thick hair.

I wonder if LE has a name as they seem to know her ethnic background or nationality? Maybe they're only interested in who left the pic.

Well, maybe I should stop looking at it for a while too. It seems like every time someone says they see something I go back and look and I see it too. Even if two posts ago I didn't. I think I did see the elves but not Santa.

 

[docwho3]

. . .I wish I had a way of circling what I'm talking about. . .

When viewing the image on the web: You can hit the print scrn key when viewing the pic. (This key is ususally on the upper right part of your keyboard.) This will save the image into memory (sort of like using the ctrl +C to copy text) although the computer will not give out any beeps or anything to let you know you saved the image into memory. Then you open windows paint and just paste the image into the paint program. Then you can circle image parts or otherwise edit the image. Then just save the image. If you have the option to save it as a .JPG file then its a good idea to do so but if not the image is still usable as a normal .BMP file.

If you have the image on your hard drive you can open it with windows paint and edit it that way and then save the edited version under a slightly different name than the original.

 

[Reannan]

I envy you guys who are seeing Santa and his Elves! I still see some sort of "device"! I have searched and learned more about screws, including dental screws and bone screws than I EVER wanted to know. The problem with it being a screw, however, is that the angle is wrong. I "head" of the screw appears to be seen "head-on" (hate the commercial), and I would expect it to be more angled given the angle the alleged screw would have entered her mouth or jaw. So......I am now seeing the "screw" as more of a piercing that has entered her lip from the left side of her face that we cannot see! AGHGHGH!!!! Where did Jaded go? I wish we had a bit more information......I am going insane!:crazy:

 

[docwho3]

If i can find it I will post a pic of some stranded string that I think will look similar. I once had some nylon fishing string (acual twist-stranded string) that I think looked similar in some ways but a screw or other object is possible too. I also have a shoe lace that looks a bit similar. I need to put a piece of both in my mouth in similar fashion and take a pic to see if the scale of size of the object looks like our victim pic. It may take me a day or so to find the fishing string if I still have it.

 

[cdt0283]

I think they removed the picture because they had OSBI edit it for public viewing. I don't think the local sheriff's dept ever meant to release the untouched photo. It really seemed quite graphic to release. I'm sure they posted it on their website before the OSBI edited it. Suprisingly, last time I checked they hadn't removed it from their server.

I found the original pic on their server. I wonder why they pulled the photo? Was there an article on their site about the picture at all?

 

[PSUfan]

I think I will take a break from staring at the images for awhile. If you stare at them too long you can probably begin to think you see santa and all his elves in the pic - lol

As to someone mentioning a hair extension: It sounds interesting. I am willing to accept anything if we can compare it and agree. Does anyone have a pic of such a part of one that would show close up so we could see the similarity?

I have to give you folks credit. I couldnt look for more than a few seconds, and the image haunted me. I would be a terrible detective.

I hope this one gets solved.

 

[Jaded]

I went back and looked at the total picture again. If you notice where the line of her forehead and hair meet...doesn't that look like too perfect a line. Like maybe someone parted the hair their purposely or maybe it is because of extensions. I wish I had a way of circling what I'm talking about. I know this is stereotypical but I wouldn't think of Middle Eastern women having extensions. They usually have such beautiful thick hair.

I wonder if LE has a name as they seem to know her ethnic background or nationality? Maybe they're only interested in who left the pic.

Well, maybe I should stop looking at it for a while too. It seems like every time someone says they see something I go back and look and I see it too. Even if two posts ago I didn't. I think I did see the elves but not Santa.

They do know where the picture came from and how it was obtained. It was taken in Iraq, date unknown. I'm not sure how the news site interpreted the information as they did - or if that was how it was presented to them, as I didn't see the original McClain County press release. Does anyone remember if the Sheriff's press release was the same as was reported by the media?

I haven't received an email back, but promise as soon as I do I'll let you know. I am just worried that if the information I was given is not known by the general public and it's not on their website, I would hate to impede their investigation IF the investigation is still active. I did pose that question to the Sheriff.

 

[cdt0283]

I've been using Photoshop for years and it really comes in handy when looking at small details or enhancing certain areas of a photo. I have PS CS but am looking for a free trial of Photoshop elements, a simplified version- but still very powerful software. If there are any areas you want enhanced for a closer look let me know.

When viewing the image on the web: You can hit the print scrn key when viewing the pic. (This key is ususally on the upper right part of your keyboard.) This will save the image into memory (sort of like using the ctrl +C to copy text) although the computer will not give out any beeps or anything to let you know you saved the image into memory. Then you open windows paint and just paste the image into the paint program. Then you can circle image parts or otherwise edit the image. Then just save the image. If you have the option to save it as a .JPG file then its a good idea to do so but if not the image is still usable as a normal .BMP file.

If you have the image on your hard drive you can open it with windows paint and edit it that way and then save the edited version under a slightly different name than the original.