Found Deceased Olivia 5, Evelyn 8 & Paityn Decker 9, found dead, manhunt on for father, Travis Decker 32, wh 2017 GMC Sierra PU, Wenatchee, 30 May 2025 #2

No excuse at all, MOO people suffering from MH issues still make moral choices.
Choices at the same percentage as people without MH issues, with one notable exception, first episode of psychosis in paranoid schizophrenia.
I don't know if we'll ever know TD's full psychological profile/diagnosis. I still think he had some paranoia setting in where he was isolating and not trusting anyone around him but who knows...

And yeah, there is this heinous case in Canada, outraged many. Vince Li, found not criminally responsible for undiagnosed schizophrenia. He is out now, it's a travesty. No way to make sure he is taking his meds!

Not sure I should post an article of another story, but it's there if anyone is curious about what undiagnosed MH can do, horrifying.

 
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Usually science and spirituality work together, one doesn't replace the other spiritual/religious people. IIRC, TD had lived in Georgia for awhile, and his Pastoral Counselor was from Georgia, so they may have struck up a positive relationship at that time that carried forward. Possibly a relationship of trust that TD was comfortable with, but unfortunately the Pastoral Counselor lived so far away.
That is my belief as well however I know people who are very polarized on those and think they cannot and do not work together and think you can't believe in both. I find that closed minded by they are entitled to their opinion lol...

I know of people who are very anti "big pharma" and anti-establishment/government who do not trust the government or health care system because they have an "alterior agenda" so they prefer natural, holistic or spiritual ways to deal.

I wonder if TD fell into those lines of thinking at all especially the anti-establishment/anti-government part.
 
I don't know if we'll ever know TD's full psychological profile/diagnosis. I still think he had some paranoia setting in where he was isolating and not trusting anyone around him but who knows...
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I, too, think it is likely that he had a psychotic break and if there is paranoia involved, then it is likely still affecting his behavior.
 
He has to be running low on food. Even if he had a backpack stocked and possibly broke into some cabins in the Ingalls Creek trailhead area to steal something to eat, he can't possibly have enough to keep going like this for weeks. I doubt he's catching small mammals or fish because that'd require cooking and a campfire would be hard to hide.
I am thinking he has Military MREs, which are designed to be eaten cold. Not sure how many he brought with him or stashed along the way. If he stashed some, he would probably retrace his steps eventually. JMO
 
From The Kjttitas County Sherriff’s Facebook Page this afternoon.

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I don't recall seeing a statement from TD's ex, given through her lawyer, Ariana Cozart. Some snippets (more info at link):

He seemed to suffer from mental health issues from the very beginning- assumably related to PTSD (complex) as a result of combat. Travis was not a violent man with Whitney or the girls ever. His mental health struggles led to the crumbling of their marriage in 2022. Travis attempted at times to get help through the VA but could not jump through all of the hoops they required to actually get help.

“Travis loved those girls and Jesus”. Travis was a present and active father up until the end- still attending the girls’ soccer games, dance, and theater productions. Although Travis was struggling with his own mental health, he was a good co-parent, always communicating frequently with Whitney up until Friday evening when the girls went missing.

Travis was exhibiting some questionable parental judgment around the end of 2023/beginning of 2024. That prompted Whitney to seek limitations on his parenting time and she was granted her requests.

Information has come to light since the girls’ abduction that Travis exhibited concerning behavior at work on Friday and had been trying to utilize emergency veteran’s services to no avail. Unfortunately this knowledge was not conveyed to Whitney until after the girls went missing or she never would have allowed the girls to go with him.


More at the link: Bereaved mother of girls, ex-wife of suspect: "Travis loved those girls and Jesus"
 
Rob Bates, owner of Bates Counseling Services in Quincy and himself a military veteran, told The Center Square that Travis Decker came into his offices last month seeking services, but he did not meet with him personally.

Bates could not say if Decker had scheduled an appointment or what services he had come seeking, as that is privately protected information.
Travis Decker sought mental health counseling 2 weeks before daughter murders
 
To file under stray thoughts, but with regard to the Georgia pastor, I don't think I can necessarily feel confident that the person was indeed a pastor, in the sense that he/she graduated from a divinity school or otherwise followed a religious institution's prescribed guidelines for leading a flock. Maybe the person did. Might have been a great advisor. But it's also possible the individual could have been a mail order pastor that can perform weddings. Or a lay pastor. Or a legit pastor 'with issues'.

The reason this thought crosses my mind is that the Georgia pastor speaking to Travis every day for whatever time period those conversations spanned, and sometimes for several hours in succession, has always seemed a little excessive to me ever since I first read about it.

Travis could have used that much good help and then some, to put it mildly, but what clergyperson, unless retired, has that kind of time? It made me wonder if the frequent and sometimes lengthy pastoral counseling sessions over the phone were also about the pastor's needs. To win a soul, form a bond with a vet, push an ideology---maybe even a macho one---or some such thing. A kind of symbiotic arrangement? If so, the quality professional support we might have hoped was being provided to Travis at least in that arena could have fallen short. Best case, though, the pastor allotted that much time repeatedly because of a good spidey sense and a strong desire to help.
 
To file under stray thoughts, but with regard to the Georgia pastor, I don't think I can necessarily feel confident that the person was indeed a pastor, in the sense that he/she graduated from a divinity school or otherwise followed a religious institution's prescribed guidelines for leading a flock. Maybe the person did. Might have been a great advisor. But it's also possible the individual could have been a mail order pastor that can perform weddings. Or a lay pastor. Or a legit pastor 'with issues'.

The reason this thought crosses my mind is that the Georgia pastor speaking to Travis every day for whatever time period those conversations spanned, and sometimes for several hours in succession, has always seemed a little excessive to me ever since I first read about it.

Travis could have used that much good help and then some, to put it mildly, but what clergyperson, unless retired, has that kind of time? It made me wonder ife the frequent and sometimes lengthy pastoral counseling sessions over the phone were also about the pastor's needs. To win a soul, form a bond with a vet, push an ideology---maybe even a macho one---or some such thing. A kind of symbiotic arrangement? If so, the quality professional support we might have hoped was being provided to Travis at least in that arena could have fallen short. Best case, though, the pastor allotted that much time repeatedly because of a good spidey sense and a strong desire to help.
I think the Pastoral Counselor had likely formed a relationship with TD when he lived in Georgia, and that TD trusted him and might confide in him. I see no reason to question his motives or credentials. I haven't seen anything reported about the number and length of calls. If they were long calls over a two week period, for example, then it could have been the case that the pastoral counselor made himself available during a crisis situation and deemed it to be appropriate.
 
I think the Pastoral Counselor had likely formed a relationship with TD when he lived in Georgia, and that TD trusted him and might confide in him. I see no reason to question his motives or credentials. I haven't seen anything reported about the number and length of calls. If they were long calls over a two week period, for example, then it could have been the case that the pastoral counselor made himself available during a crisis situation and deemed it to be appropriate.
He must be sick about now, thinking of how he might have helped. What a tragedy for everyone's life TD ruined or obliterated.
 
I think the Pastoral Counselor had likely formed a relationship with TD when he lived in Georgia, and that TD trusted him and might confide in him. I see no reason to question his motives or credentials. I haven't seen anything reported about the number and length of calls. If they were long calls over a two week period, for example, then it could have been the case that the pastoral counselor made himself available during a crisis situation and deemed it to be appropriate.

The bit about the number and length of calls was referenced here: Wenatchee mother's restraining order reveals Travis Decker's escalating behavior

"The document reveals Decker had received daily counseling from a Georgia pastor for months, speaking several hours each day. Four weeks before the murders, he abruptly ended these phone calls."
 
From The Kjttitas County Sherriff’s Facebook Page this afternoon.

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I don't like this announcement at all ! It seems like they have no idea where he is . More or less now leaving it to the public. I don't think he's alive anymore , maybe went into a cave somewhere and won't be found if at all or for a very long time. Helicopter activity is mainly zero as far as the air tracking site, unless they're not showing up on radar , as I think it should be . The public doesn't have to know everything or where they are. They've most likely spent way more over what they do on other cases and $$$ only goes so far . My opinion , I hope I'm wrong and can be found very soon.
 

“We believe we are closing in on his trail,” Morrison insisted, stating that officers had followed up with some of the suspect's friends and family.


"There is nowhere that he's going to be able to go that we don't have units waiting for him," he insisted of Decker amid the ongoing search.


The officer told reporters, "He is surrounded, Washington state knows who he is … he's got a lot of ground to cover, eventually he's going to tire and he's going to make a mistake," later adding that Decker will be the one "to dictate how this ends."
 
The bit about the number and length of calls was referenced here: Wenatchee mother's restraining order reveals Travis Decker's escalating behavior

"The document reveals Decker had received daily counseling from a Georgia pastor for months, speaking several hours each day. Four weeks before the murders, he abruptly ended these phone calls."
Thank you for providing that link. I was going to go after it and sometimes it's hard to nail down just what you're looking for.
 
Maybe it was a spur of the moment complete freak out. Like the kids saying they don't want to be camping, even if it's make believe for a few hours. He literally at the end of his mental rope not having a place to bring them. He went there the day or night before.
 

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