Omaha Double Murder #2

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The Law and Order episode based on these murders will air on TNT next week on 10-28 at 5PM ET, 4PM CT. I plan to tape it. I don't know what times will be for those in other zones so you may need to check your local listings.
I have been looking for this for awhile and wanted to share this. I think others will be interested. From what I know of the plot I think the killer turned out to be an old friend of the family. Bear in mind, this is ficton.

Snick, thanks for the info. I will set my TIVO! I am enjoying reading the discussion by all of you here. My time has been limited lately so I haven't posted much.

Thank you all for keeping the torch burning for Tom and Shirlee!

wm
 
I have no idea. I was just working off the questions that the commentator made. I don't know if it really has anything to do with anything.

Salem
 
Karen Jenkins' body was found a couple days ago, not far from where she vanished. Very little in local media about it- OPD is not talking much, as usual.

I wanted to share a brief passage from a book I have been reading, "Relentless Pursuit" by Kevin Flynn. He is a prosecuter in Washington DC and the book covers a double murder very similar to this one, here it is:

"Look at the way the victims were killed and you know whomever was responsible it was someone who knew either or both of them very well and hated one of them very much. Shootings are impersonal... but stabbings are personal. Getting so close to someone that blood is all over you.. that's personal. And personal killings are frequently planned ..brooded over, obsessed about, for hours and days and weeks before- which is why they're often carried out behind closed doors where no one else is around so the personal grudge can come to a private, final resolution."
 
Karen Jenkins' body was found a couple days ago, not far from where she vanished. Very little in local media about it- OPD is not talking much, as usual.

I wanted to share a brief passage from a book I have been reading, "Relentless Pursuit" by Kevin Flynn. He is a prosecuter in Washington DC and the book covers a double murder very similar to this one, here it is:

"Look at the way the victims were killed and you know whomever was responsible it was someone who knew either or both of them very well and hated one of them very much. Shootings are impersonal... but stabbings are personal. Getting so close to someone that blood is all over you.. that's personal. And personal killings are frequently planned ..brooded over, obsessed about, for hours and days and weeks before- which is why they're often carried out behind closed doors where no one else is around so the personal grudge can come to a private, final resolution."

Making a lot of assumptions (which we have to do) about who the target was…

Perhaps they were targeting one of the two murdered, what does that tell us about the murderer?

Someone who could have hated an 11 year old boy, or a 57 year old housekeeper enough to plan and personally kill with a knife? Does that help us narrow our suspects at all? Assuming it was personal, and planned toward one of them -- instead of random, aimed at one of the families, a failed ransom / kidnapping, or a serial killer.
 
Making a lot of assumptions (which we have to do) about who the target was…

Perhaps they were targeting one of the two murdered, what does that tell us about the murderer?

Someone who could have hated an 11 year old boy, or a 57 year old housekeeper enough to plan and personally kill with a knife? Does that help us narrow our suspects at all? Assuming it was personal, and planned toward one of them -- instead of random, aimed at one of the families, a failed ransom / kidnapping, or a serial killer.

I somehow think that unless this was a serial killer with no connection to either victim, then the hate was not directed toward Tom or Shirlee. It was directed to something they represented. Someone could have had hatred for the Hunter family or one of it's members, ditto for someone in Shirlee's family. My guess in this case would be that it was toward the boy's family. I say that because the Hunters were more prominent and moved in circles that could have harbored someone like this more easily. Someone with a mask of respectability, say- a friend of the family, a collegue. Someone who got passed over for a promottion at CU years before, perhaps even someone with ethical issues over something that may have been going on in the lab, who knows? In that case it was someone close to them, so close they do not suspect them. Someone who possibly is still in their lives and grieved with them. Killing their beloved child was meant to inflict pain on them.

Someone knew the schedule. They could have timed this to be when Claire was out of town. Either it was given to a hired killer or the person themselves knew when to strike.
 
I somehow think that unless this was a serial killer with no connection to either victim, then the hate was not directed toward Tom or Shirlee. It was directed to something they represented. Someone could have had hatred for the Hunter family or one of it's members, ditto for someone in Shirlee's family. My guess in this case would be that it was toward the boy's family. I say that because the Hunters were more prominent and moved in circles that could have harbored someone like this more easily. Someone with a mask of respectability, say- a friend of the family, a collegue. Someone who got passed over for a promottion at CU years before, perhaps even someone with ethical issues over something that may have been going on in the lab, who knows? In that case it was someone close to them, so close they do not suspect them. Someone who possibly is still in their lives and grieved with them. Killing their beloved child was meant to inflict pain on them.

Someone knew the schedule. They could have timed this to be when Claire was out of town. Either it was given to a hired killer or the person themselves knew when to strike.

I totally agree Snick.

However, for the sake of the book you reference, I was curious in thoughts around who could be a suspect if those who were murdered were the intended targets of a personal, cold, calculated event, rather than as a message to either Shirlee's family or Tom's family.
 
Could it have possibly had something to do with bullying? That is so common with teens of today. Could Tom have been bullying some kid at school or on the bus and the kid's father or big brother came after him? Or could Tom have possibly been bullied by other teens? I think it was something that had been festering for awhile. This is one reason I rule out "hired killer". I think a "hired killer" would have made sure his intended victim was alone.
 
Could it have possibly had something to do with bullying? That is so common with teens of today. Could Tom have been bullying some kid at school or on the bus and the kid's father or big brother came after him? Or could Tom have possibly been bullied by other teens? I think it was something that had been festering for awhile. This is one reason I rule out "hired killer". I think a "hired killer" would have made sure his intended victim was alone.

Good thought, I think this has come up before. My immediate thoughts were perhaps someone from school (another kid, sibling of a friend, or a teacher). Was Tom's school in a bad neighborhood? If memory serves, it's not the best area.
 
Another thought I've had........could Tom have been messaging back and forth with someone he originally thought to be a girl around his own age and in reality it was a gay male who became enraged and tracked him down after his overtures were rebuffed?

I do think whoever did this was not aware that there would be a cleaning lady there. I think she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It almost seems like Tom was having a snack in the dining room while waiting for someone to arrive.
 
Good thought, I think this has come up before. My immediate thoughts were perhaps someone from school (another kid, sibling of a friend, or a teacher). Was Tom's school in a bad neighborhood? If memory serves, it's not the best area.

I agree that the murderer was someone who was a 'peripheral' person in Tom's life. As much as I dislike thinking that an 11 year old child was the target of a double murder, I just can't get over the fact that the murders occured inside the Hunter residence as well as the time of day that the crime occured....It sounds to me like someone knew Tom's routine.

Bullying is certainly a possibility. As kids enter middle school, they are hesitant to talk about it from my experience raising children and also teaching 5th graders for years. When kids enter middle school, they meet new friends and are exposed to new situations. It is a step outside of the seemingly safer elementary school environment of a closer knit community. Luckily, my children did eventually come to me with their concerns, but only after the bullying had escalated to the point that they needed adult intervention.

I am not sure of the reputation of Tom's school location. Isn't King School a magnet school? In the area in which I live, magnet schools are located in 'not so great areas'. The magnet schools here are created to entice students of a higher socioeconomic status to high crime areas to utilize the school buildings in 'at risk' neighborhoods and to create diversity among student enrollment.

This is all MOO as always. Hope you all are doing well.

wm
 
Another thought I've had........could Tom have been messaging back and forth with someone he originally thought to be a girl around his own age and in reality it was a gay male who became enraged and tracked him down after his overtures were rebuffed?

I do think whoever did this was not aware that there would be a cleaning lady there. I think she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It almost seems like Tom was having a snack in the dining room while waiting for someone to arrive.

I find this quite likely, if we follow the thinking of that book. And hope I'm wrong.
 
If the olive skinned stranger was in his early 30's he would be about the right age to have a child Tom's age. If he was a foreigner, perhaps the kids, including Tom, were making fun of his child because of an accent or doing things differently than we do in America or even dressing differently.

I think the reason the killer used a knife (and I think he brought his own weapons) is because it would be much harder to trace a knife type from a wound than to trace a gun type from a bullet fragment. It would be very easy to throw knives into a river or a lake somewhere and never be found. No killer who pre-plans a murder is going to take his chances on finding the right weapon in the house of his victim.
 
If the olive skinned stranger was in his early 30's he would be about the right age to have a child Tom's age. If he was a foreigner, perhaps the kids, including Tom, were making fun of his child because of an accent or doing things differently than we do in America or even dressing differently.

I think the reason the killer used a knife (and I think he brought his own weapons) is because it would be much harder to trace a knife type from a wound than to trace a gun type from a bullet fragment. It would be very easy to throw knives into a river or a lake somewhere and never be found. No killer who pre-plans a murder is going to take his chances on finding the right weapon in the house of his victim.

100% agree about the knives.

Wonder if Tom just mouthed off to the wrong person. Something really simple.
 
100% agree about the knives.

Wonder if Tom just mouthed off to the wrong person. Something really simple.

This possibility was discussed a few times on the old thread. I have wondered if OPD really questioned Tom's schoolmates throughly. I would wonder about the other students on the bus- a parent of one of those would know when he'd be arriving home.
Tom has been I think fairly depicted as a generally nice kid. All kids have a dark side. Also people from different cultures sometimes misperceive things.
I think I mentioned that the knife killings might suggest someone of Middle Eastern origin.
It'd be interesting to know if there was any such student about that time whose parents took him or her out suddenly.
King Science Center is a magnet school and the area it is located in is not the best. They have a few lockdowns every year. That would also introduce the possibility of his running afoul of some other kid dealing drugs etc.
I'd like to think OPD checked out off this stuff at the time. I sure hope they did.
 
As many thoughts as we all have had...
I keep coming back to the "Tom." School, or family connection. I still think it is a foreigner connection...for a lot of reasons. I know, I don't want to say too much, but I do think the father knows alot more than he is telling. I can only imagine the guilt, anyone involved in this feels. Perhaps enough to sign over any and all financial ownerships, as the guilt might make them feel partly responsible for this horrific crime. I am really not pointing fingers at any particular person, (ok, maybe) still it seems like a family coverup. I dunno. Just questioning...and seeing potential candidates for trouble, in an already troubled home life. It just seems too personal for a family member to not have their own suspicions...and they seem a bit too accepting to just let this go...??? Maybe I question too much...but I gotta wonder why/how they can be so accepting as to commision a statue, and not jump all over the media to solve this horrific crime. And, still go about their lives, and live in the same home that this happened.
JMHO, and that's it.
Praying for Justice
 
This case is not the only unsolved one that OPD is IMO dropping the ball on. Here's a paste from an online article on the WOWT website about the disappearence of a family months ago:

"An Omaha family disappeared 10 months ago while working on their dream, fixing up a home to rent as apartments. The family's daughter spoke to the media Wednesday, worried that dream could be lost.

The Szczepanik family, Vanderlei and his wife and son, disappeared last December. Their daughter is worried the city will take their home.

“Because she sees the house and the potential of what her mom and father were trying to do to create apartments for low income families and she sees that the work was stopped and he couldn't finish it so she's sad when she comes over here,” said a translator for Tatiane Klein.

The home was scheduled for a trustee sale on Thursday, but the city postponed it for 30 days to consider other options.

Three people are in jail for charging $4,000 to the Szczepanik's credit cards. There is still no word on what happened to the family, though police suspect foul play"

I would bet my last dollar that, if asked, they'd refuse any help from AMW. They 'profit from crime', you know. The guys alluded to have been in jail for months. What is the problem?
Something just seems dysfunctional down there. Maybe this is typical for large cities these days but I don't think so. These people just can't seem to close the deal. Is there someone in the prosecuter's office with unrealistic requirements? Understaffing, what?

In a strange way it is comforting to realize that the case in this thread is not the only one going unresolved. It at least eases the feeling that something is being covered up.
 
Snick, I remember reading about this case. There's a thread for it here on WS. I remember reading some interesting comments from a blog in South America...... maybe Brazil?????

The number of unsolved cases in Omaha is amazing to me. OPD's relunctance to allow outside help makes me suspicious of what is going on in that dept. I wonder if there are existing practices in OPD that are worthy of hiding, or if it is indifference, or if it is simple pride on the part of LE. What is the ratio of crimes vs. LEO's? What is the amt of solved cases vs unsolved cases per year? I have so many questions and do not expect you to know the answers. I'm just trying to figure out for what reason OPD so quickly rejects offers of outside help. It's very discouraging.

Regarding the knives, I think the killer brought his own knives that he is familiar with to use to murder Tom and Shirlee. I think Knife killings are just as personal to the perpetrator as it is to the reason for the killing.....in other words, I feel the killer would use knives that are familiar to him. I base this opinion from being a former restaurant owner. To this day I prefer using my own knives because they are familiar to me. And my chef's brought their own personal set to work. The same would apply to someone who studies the martial arts.

So, what type of perp are we looking for? In the USA, knife killings are considered to be of a personal nature. (sorry no link). But is it the same in other cultures? Could it be that persons' of Middle Eastern or Asian descent use knives because it is a weapon that is more common and familiar/personal to their culture?

I am just trying to understand and figure out what type of perp we are looking for.

As always, this is all MOO.

wm
 
You know if Tom was messaging or chatting with someone online on a fairly frequent basis, they would know when he would usually be home after school and probably know that his parents were at work. He might not have mentioned the housekeeper for fear they would consider he still had to have a babysitter.
 
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