Oprah to feature Kyron on Thursday 9/16

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  • #141
I seem to remember that Kaine has said that Terri stayed behind before. She lagged behind on the way to the bus stop but once they saw that Kyron wasn't on the bus he started to hurry in order to get to his car and to the school and Terri stayed to talk with the bus driver some more. (Please don't ask me for a link because I don't have the faintest idea where it was.)

It's a video and I just watched it a few days ago. A very long raw video where they talk about Kyron staying in bed. I'm trying to remember the date of that interview.

My memory is that he said he started walking to go to the school because he thought Kyron had stayed there thinking they'd pick him up, and then he heard the bus driver say Kyron hadn't been in school all day, and then he and Terri ran to get to the school.

I'll track it down in a bit as soon as I remember approximate date. Otherwise this is going to drive me crazy lol.
 
  • #142
Wait. Didn't Kaine previously say the lagging was before going to the bus as debs said? That he took the baby and started walking toward the bus stop and Terri caught up to them?

And that as soon as the bus driver said Kyron hadn't been in school all day, they both took off running to the school? Then he clarified that they both took off running to the car to drive to the school?

Did he mean that now he is saying that Terri lagged after the bus driver said Kyron hadn't been in school all day?

I know, I know. I should just wait the hour till it comes on here. :)

When watching it in an hour, you will know what to look for so some of these inconsistencies can be cleared up. You are a pro at this BeanE..

Kaine seemed to combine a couple answers; the lagging behind was part of his answer to Oprah regarding how Terri acted at the bus stop. Maybe he was combining before and during behavior. In other interviews, he did say Terri was lagging behind on the way to the bus stop. moo
 
  • #143
Kaine also characterized when he first suspected something was amiss with his wife Terri Moulton Horman. It was the day she first flunked a polygraph exam.

"She would change her story daily, if not more than that," Kaine told Oprah. "Every time you talked to her, it was a little bit different about what happened that day."

http://www.nwcn.com/news/Kyron-Horm...m-would-change-her-story-daily-103071974.html

Didn't Kaine say previously he was completely blindsided, and had no suspicions until LE talked to him June 25/26?

I thought it was Tony and Desiree (Dateline or Nightline) who first became suspicious at the first poly.

Well, I may be wrong, but I've noticed that KH's commentary seems to change, too. Which I find very very confusing, among all the other confusing stuff. Including how now he claims that she drank herself to sleep every night, that people now have said booze went missing when she was around, that her PPD was treated with meds and the doctor told him to keep an eye on her but he wasn't really sure which meds, and oh yes, that as far as he knew, everything was fine in their marriage, until finally he said oh yes, they'd had some problems but had worked through them in a "positive" manner. And despite the PPD, the alleged drinking self to sleep, and oh yes, depression that required medication, and the marital problems he finally reluctantly admitted to, KH didn't see anything wrong until, he said, LE told him about the alleged MFH. (Alleged is my word.)

Hmm.
 
  • #144
BBM

I've followed many cases here on WS where the loved ones claim their child has run away or give any scenario that keeps their child alive. Loved ones have to do what gives them hope - it's what loved ones have to do, but we here at WS don't!

I question Terri's guilt on the basis there is no evidence, no arrests, no naming of her as POI. I don't put Terri right up there with Al Capone, the master or organized crime. I don't idealize LE and am certainly aware they are human and make mistakes. I"m not a loved one who needs to keep Kyron alive - I don't need to focus on Terri to serve my comfort level.

I will say this one last time: Given all the high profile opportunities Kaine and Desiree have been given to yell out for Kyron, their resolution to finding Kyron has always been the same...ask Terri. What's the public to do with that kind of suggestion. Most of us aren't in the position to question or ask Terri.

Interviewers aren't in the position to keep questioning that kind of accusation because it focuses on a person not yet named a POI or a suspect. People on the air have lawsuits to be concerned about - and Oprah certainly knows about people using her show to push an agenda. I think it gets uncomfortable for the interviewer, the audience, and eventually, people stop watching. moo mhoo

I'm wishing more than anything to find Kyron. What's Portland going to do with the next missing child - how can they explain to that parent there isn't a million dollars to spend? Are the tax payers in Oregon/Portland willing to increase their taxes for finding Kyron and other missing children.? moo mho

I certainly understand that we are here on this Board to discuss many alternative ways at looking at what little we know to date. I appreciate reading your point of view and those of others. There would not be much to come here for if we all agreed.

It is the varying points of view that help us define and even...refine... our own thoughts. I appreciate that.

My point of view is, however, that I understand why Kaine and Desiree are doing exactly what they have been doing....and it seems both rational and admirable. IMO they feel strongly that the "who" question has been answered. Maybe even the "why."

They are desperate to find out the "where." They are not wasting interview time on the "who" and "why"...if they are convinced LE has that accomplished. They realize now that every interview offers them only a limited amount of time.

Therefore, they do not waste time trying to offer alternative theories to Terri being the instigator here. They don't believe that for a moment...it wastes time and confuses people.

Believing as they do, the general public is being asked by them in these interviews... to look for Kyron...alive they believe. That is the first and most important thing. They are spreading awareness. Kyron could be anywhere.

Secondly, if anyone in the public has had any acquaintance with Terri,the goal IMO is... dissect everything she may have said...where she may often go...whom you saw with her, what you recall about her, how she was with Kyron, etc. Lay Terri open to LE in any and every way you can...if you might recall something that now seems pertinent. Terri is to be given no hiding place...no relief...no slack. Because they truly believe she has done something monstrous to their child.

Thirdly, let Terri know in every interview...that she is being "laid open"...memories are being searched, words remembered. And this is being done now on national TV. Let her be constantly listening for LE to come to the door to take her away...wondering what is being said...what secrets revealed. Let her feel shame and fear. Because they truly believe that may be the only way to get her to tell them "where."

Lastly, let anyone who may have helped Teri...know that heat too. Let them understand that neither LE or the parents doubt her guilt...that she is toxic to anyone who helped her with this crime. Maybe this will encourage anyone who helped her to tell all. This is about making those Kaine and Desiree believe have done this to Kyron squirm constantly, never have peace.

Certainly, those who feel that the parents are wrong or LE is wrong have every right to dispute these tactics and to critique the way the parents handle the interview. That's the productive part of our debates.

I hold a different opinion and am simply expressing that. And, of course, my admiration for the tenacity, love and courage of Kaine and Desiree.
 
  • #145
Important to remember there is a 2 hours time difference between Chicago and Portland/Oregon..8am in Chicago is 6am in Portland. Desiree and Kaine did look exhausted. The 2 hour time difference, a long flight (over 2,000 miles, and the stress over Kyron. Who wouldn't be exhausted. When we make that flight, the beauty of Oregon takes precedence over being tired. moo
 
  • #146
What else are they to do? Knowing "whodunnit" is a hollow victory if you do not know where your child is. Certainly they cannot just shrug their shoulders and stop trying to develop new leads to FIND Kyron?

It is all about finding Kyron IMO.

Suppose you knew with certainty that I had taken a heirloom ring of yours. You would of course, want there to be sufficient evidence to make a case against me, see that I was punished. By repeating the story, you would hope others could add useful evidence about me personally to see that the punishment came to be.

But more than that, you want that ring back. You hope someone remembers seeing me wear it in a certain place, or talk about where I might sell jewelry..or discuss where I hide my favorite things.

As much as people can get fixated on sentimental objects or material things, it pales to parents who are convinced their child is out there...SOMEWHERE...ALIVE...undergoing God knows what. Maybe there's a chance, even a remote one, but they are on national TV...they HAVE to take it.

They believe the key to finding Kyron begins with unraveling everything about Terri.

Remember too, that while many here doubt Terri's guilt, for some reason, they do not. Their belief, IMO, must be rooted in something tremendously substantial...because I feel their love and desperation for Kyron's return trumps all to them.

This would not be the time to just blame Terri because of old grudges, not if finding Kyron is Goal #1. I do believe NOTHING else is more important to Kaine and Desiree than finding Kyron.

So their determined, unrelenting focus on Terri has great resonance with me in that it must stem from crucial details still withheld.

And so their repetition of this belief on Oprah makes good sense IMO.

bbm

Respectfully, I wouldn't do things that wasy. To me, the qualification of me knowing with certainty says that if I did, I'd contact the police.

However, if I believed that you had taken my ring, I certainly wouldn't run around town and social/business/community circles alleging that you had taken the ring. There are other ways to handle it--of course, I assume that like TH/KH, I know you personally and have routine interaction with you.

I'd check out pawn shops myself. But I'd also call my friends, everyone I could think of, and say that oh my! my ring, you know the one (describe) has gone missing! I can't believe it! Oh my! Could I have accidentally left it at your house? When you were here at mine last, did you see it? Oh, I hope I didn't take it off while we were at the sink (or potting flowers or whatever). Could you put the word out? If I don't find it ASAP, I simply have to notify my insurance company with its photograph, and before I notify them, I have to file a written police report. And wouldn't it be embarrassing if it turned up, say, in someone's guest bath where I'd put lotion on and it got shoved behind the towel basket? Well, I really don't know, and as you can tell I'm upset, so have you seen it? Could you let everyone in (name of group or organization, etc.) that it's gone and I am so hoping not to file a police report.

And you would be on that calling list and I'd add that so many people are being so helpful and someone thinks that someone else saw it and remarked on it and may remember something from the last day I had it. And I know that you'll remember it because you've complimented me on it.
Because if someone in my circles took that ring, I'd work it differently than if I thought a one-timer worker had stolen. I'd look at your personality, and consider why I believed you'd taken it, and then I'd work my strategy. And I'd leave "weasel room" for you to call or show up and say "oh oh, I'm so sorry, I found it in my guest bathroom/pantry/oh I wonder if you took it off while we were making the sauce for the symphony luncheon. But here it is!"

From the get-go, I think that KH and others haven't really thought about how slammming TH constantly, in public, might work. Instead of making her sit down and boo hoo and confess to anything, I'd bet it's made her really mad and determined to keep her mouth shut. And once she got that lawyer, she has her legal backing to do that--and if she's innocent, she can't confess.

Or, flies, honey, vinegar.

But running around naming someone as the perpetrator of a crime without proof will, IMHO, only backfire on the namer. Let alone open up interesting possibilities if the accused is innocent.

The landscapers interrupted me, had to come back and fix this post.
 
  • #147
I certainly understand that we are here on this Board to discuss many alternative ways at looking at what little we know to date. I appreciate reading your point of view and those of others. There would not be much to come here for if we all agreed.

It is the varying points of view that help us define and even...refine... our own thoughts. I appreciate that.

My point of view is, however, that I understand why Kaine and Desiree are doing exactly what they have been doing....and it seems both rational and admirable. IMO they feel strongly that the "who" question has been answered. Maybe even the "why."

They are desperate to find out the "where." They are not wasting interview time on the "who" and "why"...if they are convinced LE has that accomplished. They realize now that every interview offers them only a limited amount of time.

Therefore, they do not waste time trying to offer alternative theories to Terri being the instigator here. They don't believe that for a moment...it wastes time and confuses people.

Believing as they do, the general public is being asked by them in these interviews... to look for Kyron...alive they believe. That is the first and most important thing. They are spreading awareness. Kyron could be anywhere.

Secondly, if anyone in the public has had any acquaintance with Terri,the goal IMO is... dissect everything she may have said...where she may often go...whom you saw with her, what you recall about her, how she was with Kyron, etc. Lay Terri open to LE in any and every way you can...if you might recall something that now seems pertinent. Terri is to be given no hiding place...no relief...no slack. Because they truly believe she has done something monstrous to their child.

Thirdly, let Terri know in every interview...that she is being "laid open"...memories are being searched, words remembered. And this is being done now on national TV. Let her be constantly listening for LE to come to the door to take her away...wondering what is being said...what secrets revealed. Let her feel shame and fear. Because they truly believe that may be the only way to get her to tell them "where."

Lastly, let anyone who may have helped Teri...know that heat too. Let them understand that neither LE or the parents doubt her guilt...that she is toxic to anyone who helped her with this crime. Maybe this will encourage anyone who helped her to tell all. This is about making those Kaine and Desiree believe have done this to Kyron squirm constantly, never have peace.

Certainly, those who feel that the parents are wrong or LE is wrong have every right to dispute these tactics and to critique the way the parents handle the interview. That's the productive part of our debates.

I hold a different opinion and am simply expressing that. And, of course, my admiration for the tenacity, love and courage of Kaine and Desiree.

Oprah did a beautiful review of Kyron's case from beginning to end. The review was used to introduce the case. She used many pictures of Kyron, so his picture did get out there many times. IMO the narrated review of the case was the best part of the Kyron segment. It wasn't rushed and had been carefully put together. moo mho
 
  • #148
bbm

Respectfully, I wouldn't do things that wasy. To me, the qualification of me knowing with certainty says that if I did, I'd contact the police.

However, if I believed that you had taken my ring, I certainly wouldn't run around town and social/business/community circles alleging that you had taken the ring. There are other ways to handle it--of course, I assume that like TH/KH, I know you personally and have routine interaction with you.

I'd check out pawn shops myself. But I'd also call my friends, everyone I could think of, and say that oh my! my ring, you know the one (describe) has gone missing! I can't believe it! Oh my! Could I have accidentally left it at your house? When you were here at mine last, did you see it? Oh, I hope I didn't take it off while we were at the sink (or potting flowers or whatever). Could you put the word out? If I don't find it ASAP, I simply have to notify my insurance company with its photograph, and before I notify them, I have to file a written police report. And wouldn't it be embarrassing if it turned up, say, in someone's guest bath where I'd put lotion on and it got shoved behind the towel basket? Well, I really don't know, and as you can tell I'm upset, so have you seen it? Could you let everyone in (name of group or organization, etc.) that it's gone and I am so hoping not to file a police report. And you would be on that calling list and I'd add that so many people are being so helpful and someone thinks that someone else saw it and remarked on it and may remember something from the last day I had it.

Because if someone in my circles took that ring, I'd work it differently than if I thought a one-timer worker had stolen. I'd look at your personality, and consider why I believed you'd taken it, and then I'd work my strategy. And I'd leave "weasel room" for you to call or show up and say "oh oh, I'm so sorry, I found it in my guest bathroom/pantry/oh I wonder if you took it off while we were making the sauce for the symphony luncheon. But here it is!"

From the get-go, I think that KH and others haven't really thought about how slammming TH constantly, in public, might work. Instead of making her sit down and boo hoo and confess to anything, I'd bet it's made her really mad and determined to keep her mouth shut. And once she got that lawyer, she has her legal backing to do that--and if she's innocent, she can't confess.

Or, flies, honey, vinegar.

Great post...well done...and I might myself have done some of the things you suggest in the "jewelry scenario."

I do think Desiree tried a little "honey" initially in the comments like "Do this not for me, but Baby K. Baby K loves her brother, etc" I think Desiree tried to appeal to Terri's maternal side.

She has also implored her to consider how she (Terri) "would like to be remembered." To me, she was trying to appeal to some honorable side of Terri to do the right thing.

At this point, the parents say they have no doubt. So they express no doubt: Terri as perpetrator is a given. They've moved on from any other possibilities.

They are not going to waste time on the one part of this horrific mystery they believe to be solved.
 
  • #149
Found it. No lagging after bus driver said Kyron hadn't been at school all day.

- Bus driver says Kyron not on bus

- Kaine starts walking up to school. Thinking Kyron waiting at school to go for ice cream etc

- Heard Terri talking with bus driver as bus driver called the school.

- Heard the comment "He hasn't been there all day."

- "and we just started to run"

- up to the car to go to the school


Raw: Kaine also was at bus stop to pick up Kyron
Posted on June 25, 2010

http://www.kgw.com/video?id=97168909&sec=547977
 
  • #150
Well I've been watching for a half hour and no Kyron yet. Now another story has just started.
 
  • #151
Well I've been watching for a half hour and no Kyron yet. Now another story has just started.

BeanE - in my first post in trying to describe what was covered in the show, first the hostages were interviewed, next the family of the woman who murdered her children (very emotional) and last, Kyron interview. Maybe in the last 10 minutes. Sorry you didn't catch that. moo
 
  • #152
I'll be watching............here on the west coast it's not on for another hour and a half.
 
  • #153
4:35 here .. Oprah is on now.. Kaine and Desiree have not come on yet but they are featured on Oprah today...
 
  • #154
Oprah did a beautiful review of Kyron's case from beginning to end. The review was used to introduce the case. She used many pictures of Kyron, so his picture did get out there many times. IMO the narrated review of the case was the best part of the Kyron segment. It wasn't rushed and had been carefully put together. moo mho

Thanks, Eyes. I'll see it tonight, but was curious to know how it went. Glad to hear lots of images were shown.


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  • #155
Thanks, Eyes. I'll see it tonight, but was curious to know how it went. Glad to hear lots of images were shown.


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I watched it at 9:am Chicago time - and did a recap at post # 116? The interview with Desiree and Kaine didn't come on until 9:50am or so, the last 10 minutes.

I was at work this morning and decided to try and watch it, might have been a mistake. Hectic at work. I had a difficult time following the questions, Oprah kept cutting off answers or there were no answers and she moved ahead. I think she was running out of time. Her recap of the missing Kyron was the best.

Looking forward to others who will be seeing it in the comfort of their home and telling us what they see. With enough eyes watching, we are bound to get it right. I couldn't record because I was at work, but will watch it again on the repeat Oprah at 11:20pm tonight here in Chicago. moo
 
  • #156
What baffles me are these comments by KH & DY on various media interviews, and then Staton's comment that " think there are things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you, that you'll think about later on when its over. We have knowledge of things we don't want to know about... of things we wish we didn't know". I am just trying to wrack my brain to think how this all ties in with Kaine & Desiree's comments about Terri being the perp?
When Staton mentions the part about surprising you, i gather he is referring to the general population?
And what "Things" could LE possibly not want to know about? LE deal with so many horrendous things daily i'm sure, and it is their job to KNOW, to bring families of victims justice on their perpetrators, so that statement is confusing to say the least.
 
  • #157
My notes from the show.

Oprah recapping news stories. Not very well. Inaccuracies.

Oprah's peeps called Houze. He's not talkifying to Oprah. :eek:

commercial
 
  • #158
Kaine and Desiree believe she is a suspect..
 
  • #159
My notes from the show.

Does Kaine consider her a suspect. He looks at Desiree long moment then says yes.

Desiree says ever since Kyron went missing there's been a lot they've found out, red flags.

Kaine didn't see Terri's firsthand response to bus driver saying not in school.

Kaine says he started running and didn't see Terri's face.

She seemed upset. More about investigation focus on her.

First poly came back is first suspicion. Very vocal. Story would change daily.

Des and Kaine unable to answer why Terri would want to harm Kyron.

Did Kyron ever complain about Terri? Des: he did but nothing out of ordinary that you wouldn't find in children from "split homes".

Desiree believes Kyron is alive. Kaine nods slightly in agreement.

What can we do to help. Des crying. Get his face out there, talk about Kyron, everybody know her son and who he is.

Terri upset that all these people think badly of her.

segment over


They both seemed extremely nervous talking to Oprah. I've never seen them look nervous like that. They each seemed to have stage fright a couple times, couldn't talk, couldn't answer the question.
 
  • #160
Desiree stated they have plead with Terri to tell the truth but they get nothing from her...Since the beginning TMH has been more concerned with being inconvenienced than caring about Kyron's disappearance ...
 
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