GUILTY OR - Dan Brophy, fatally shot at Oregon Culinary Institute, 2 June 2018 *Wife Arrested*

[Niner]

So - watched the videos - I see they had no trial hearing on Friday - continued to Monday, 4/11.
Again- Thanks for those videos @RickshawFan - much appreciated!

 

[Niner]

Me too, Niner! And I wish they would leave the romance out of the mysteries and thrillers. I don’t just dislike it, I find it repulsive. The half naked muscle men on Nancy’s covers practically scream . MOO

LOL - have me laughing at that one!

 

[MessyLee]

"There’s a story NB recites for why she fell in love with DB … she was in the tub and wanted him to join her. He responded something like, “I’ll be right up after I’ve finished making the hors d’oeuvres.” NB refers to this as though it’s extremely romantic. But I think this is a guy who likes cooking more than he wants a relationship. Run!"

RSBM. Sorry! that was a quote from @RickshawFan comment but I lost the quotes somehow. First time for everything. As I was just saying about messiness.....arrrr. Sorry.

Oh yes I read that article and I thought that was a strange (at least) thing to say about falling in love, but you gave me a different perspective. Maybe the cooking was the thing that we should pick out of that quote.

I've been in a long term relationship with a chef, and it is all strange work hours that last almost all of the freetime of other people, and in fine dining at least, the commitment must be there, and sometimes only there, to reach success in that field. Well I never thought of killing the ex (my now friend) so that's for that.

The other aspects you mentioned - money, obviously plays a part.

And an excellent point that she doesn't seem to have many people around her that would speak for her. Those that seemed to Really know her. But many people around her shocked and they are all "I would have never thought", but who would and yep the tendencies must have been in her and it is not uncommon to be able to charm&deceive one's surroundings. JMHO.


Plus I try to not be that messy in everything but I just can't help myself, lol, thanks for the encouragment!

And I too can't imagine myself writing romance novels, so there's that, I feel akward even thinking about it

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[MessyLee]

LOL - have me laughing at that one!

Haha, I'm happy that I'm not the only one to find the romance stuff mostly pretty much..repulsive

((((something wrong with quotes, and/or me.)))) I obviously replied to you others as well.

 

[RickshawFan]

The defense argument that DB was worth more to NB alive than dead because the insurance policies had a premium-back guarantee in 17 years or so if he stayed alive that long is also a bunch of baloney. You actually have to pay the premiums for 17 years before you get them back! I doubt NB paid a lump sum. Bet defense didn't calculate for that.

NB had to kill DB sooner rather than later, because she didn't have the money to cover life insurance premiums any longer. She should have given up hers, but if only his were left, the murder motive would have looked obvious.

Even a basic insurance agent for prosecution is going to be able to nuke all these insurance arguments in plain English.

 

[RickshawFan]

NB's insurance license. She renewed AFTER the murder.... I wish they had more historical info: I wanna know if she was the salesperson on the insurance policies on DB. Defense says her motive for buying insurance policies was in part to make the commissions.
NB first got her license evidently in 2008. Wanna bet she already had murder on her mind?

https://sbs.naic.org/solar-external...urisdiction=OR&entityType=IND&licenseType=PRO

 

[MessyLee]

The defense argument that DB was worth more to NB alive than dead because the insurance policies had a premium-back guarantee in 17 years or so if he stayed alive that long is also a bunch of baloney. You actually have to pay the premiums for 17 years before you get them back! I doubt NB paid a lump sum. Bet defense didn't calculate for that.

NB had to kill DB sooner rather than later, because she didn't have the money to cover life insurance premiums any longer. She should have given up hers, but if only his were left, the murder motive would have looked obvious.

Even a basic insurance agent for prosecution is going to be able to nuke all these insurance arguments in plain English.

Good point! And I always get confused, when the defence is going all calculating, that the murder didn't happen because the money would be more in this or that time.
Since most of all murders are done with a bit of emotion involved. Even if money is the motive, it is extremely rare that someone would wait around, for 17 or something years, (when being over 60, like in this case, aswell), because the money increases.

 

[RickshawFan]

Haha, I'm happy that I'm not the only one to find the romance stuff mostly pretty much..repulsive

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[RickshawFan]

Good point! And I always get confused, when the defence is going all calculating, that the murder didn't happen because the money would be more in this or that time.
Since most of all murders are done with a bit of emotion involved. Even if money is the motive, it is extremely rare that someone would wait around, for 17 or something years, (when being over 60, like in this case, aswell), because the money increases.

Yeah. All signs are she wanted the money NOW.

 

[MessyLee]

Yeah. All signs are she wanted the money NOW.

Yes! she might have thought about it for who knows how long, but when considering all the evidence, it seems so rushed and sloppy.

 

[RickshawFan]

NB's insurance license. She renewed AFTER the murder.... I wish they had more historical info: I wanna know if she was the salesperson on the insurance policies on DB. Defense says her motive for buying insurance policies was in part to make the commissions.
NB first got her license evidently in 2008. Wanna bet she already had murder on her mind?

https://sbs.naic.org/solar-external...urisdiction=OR&entityType=IND&licenseType=PRO

I have to add to this a bit....
I looked up my own insurance license (now expired), but they don't actually have the start date of the license correct. On mine, they use a date when it was renewed, not when it was initiated. So.... there could be an error in the start date for NB. It does seem to be about right, but let's not bank on it.

 

[RickshawFan]

It's really interesting to me that they weren't married for most of their time together, but pretended they were. They even filed taxes as married. Everyone said they were married. They even had a big wedding party in the late 1990's. What do you all make of that?

TurboTax's list of the situations where being married is advantageous tax-wise: 7 Tax Advantages of Getting Married - TurboTax Tax Tips & Videos

It seems to me several of these apply, including 1. using her low paycheck to jimmy the couple's taxes downward into a lower bracket; 2. if you're losing money in a business, the spouse can write it off.

I wonder if she did the taxes, and he really didn't take in that they were filing as a married couple in the law sense (i.e. not other legal situations like civil unions and life partners, and all the other categories we now have).

If they didn't get married, presumably she wouldn't be liable for his debts, credit cards, etc. He carried the mortgage. She got on the house deed shortly before he died..

As I see this, I'm concluding that the murder was on the end of long-term financial manipulation, and that there was a lot more getting manipulated than the homeowner deed.

This is one of those cases IMO where nothing is WYSIWYG (old tech term for "what you see is what you get"). A lot of smoke and mirrors.

 

[RickshawFan]

In 2017, NB paid $16k on the insurance policy premiums. They were behind $6k on the mortgage.

 

[RickshawFan]

Whoever mentioned the word ^^^, there's more evidence on NB's writer website: About

I will also throw out here: she'd never win any writing awards, either for style, clarity, word-choice, or sentence construction. I dunno about plot. Her website doesn't do her any favors, either. Very sloppy.

I'm getting the impression that everything she did was half-baked. (Excuse the culinary term).

An interesting note about this website of hers. She calls attention to how different she actually looks from the photo of herself she uses on her site. This point of hers jibes with my notion ^^^ that she's a "chameleon": she looks like a whole different person each time you see her. Jodi Arias is like this, too. The Behavior Panel talks about "chameleon" looks in the context of personality, but I can't find exactly where.

 

[RickshawFan]

A review of one of NB's books on AMZ: "It's killer...so is the writer." LOL

Without too much investigation, it seems most of the books were written in 2015. One in 2017. It's possible these publication dates were re-issues, but I'm thinking they weren't. This quite surprised me, since I had assumed she had been writing over a long period of time.

 

[Kemug]

Maybe I just haven't seen the best photos, but I must say I would be surprised if NB has a new man waiting in the wings.

 

[RickshawFan]

Maybe I just haven't seen the best photos, but I must say I would be surprised if NB has a new man waiting in the wings.

I can’t imagine a new man, either, and her new “wing” is the county jail…

On this topic, though, I wonder if one aspect of the venom was that DB was so popular. There’s the money thing, yes, but the drive behind the execution is some deep-seated emotion. I think she’d had at least fantasies about doing this for a loooong time.

 

[RickshawFan]

Why does NB have “schizophrenia” as a title word on her professional website? What are “virgin pages” versus blank pages?

About

 

[RickshawFan]

A review of one of NB's books on AMZ: "It's killer...so is the writer." LOL

Without too much investigation, it seems most of the books were written in 2015. One in 2017. It's possible these publication dates were re-issues, but I'm thinking they weren't. This quite surprised me, since I had assumed she had been writing over a long period of time.

Another note. That infamous article, “How to Kill Your Husband”, was written in 2011. NB styled herself as a “suspense writer” at that time. But she evidently wasn’t publishing, at least as far as I can find out.
'How To Murder Your Husband' author accused of killing spouse to get a $1.1million insurance payout | Daily Mail Online

 

[Kemug]

Maybe she was just jealous that he had more fame and popularity than she did. And the insurance money was a nice bonus.