Found Deceased OR - Joshua McCoy, 5, Autism, goes by "Josh" or "Joshie", may not respond, missing when mom woke up frm nap at 5:30pm, Stage Rd, Hauser, 10 Nov 2024

[Deleted member 296739]

I personally think that there is something we don't know yet, and if so, that would be a very valid reason for the father to be in control of little Joshua's remains. This is just my own speculation and is not presented as fact in anyway. All JMO.

Agreed- especially considering that it’s stated that he might need to hire a PI- I’m going to assume that there are perhaps many things the public doesn’t know..,
moo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

The Search and Rescue coordinator said that the area where McCoy’s body was found was harsh terrain.

“It was kind of up on top of the hill and so you had to go up a little bit of ways to get up there. It was definitely some nasty terrain for all the searchers.”

Searchers say young boy's body was found was in harsh terrain

The investigation continues into the death of5-year-old Joshua McCoy, whose body was found on Tuesday and then transported by Coos County Search and Rescue coo

www.kcby.com

This speaks volumes! If it was difficult for searchers to get there, I’d have to assume it would have been difficult for the little boy as well- I think a lot more will be known when they release more details about the autopsy and circumstances surrounding finding his body- moo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

From the link:

An autopsy was completed on the boy by the Oregon State Medical Examiners Office, Gill said. His official cause and manner of death were pending Thursday.

"Any further information will be released when it becomes available," Gill said.

5-year-old boy who went missing while parent was napping is found dead near Oregon home, officials say

The boy, who had autism, disappeared after he and his mother took a nap inside the family's home in Hauser, Oregon, authorities said.

www.usatoday.com

This is telling- hopefully more information will be released soon- so tragic when a child dies, especially one with special needs who needs more protection- feels worse somehow- all children are vulnerable and need protection, but some just need more-

We don’t know what happens- still hoping that it was just a tragic accident- moo

 

[tlcya]

what I find curious and what doesn't align with any sort of foul play scenario is LE were careful to not allow the public to help because they didn't want any sort of "evidence" disturbed. And yet reports are that officer Justin Gray is the one who "carried" Josh from the forest. If LE suspect foul play I would think the body would not have been moved as the body and surrounding area would be a crime scene?

 

[MyJoey]

This speaks volumes! If it was difficult for searchers to get there, I’d have to assume it would have been difficult for the little boy as well- I think a lot more will be known when they release more details about the autopsy and circumstances surrounding finding his body- moo

However it would also be difficult for someone to carry a child there, I would think. <modsnip - no link> I think they are waiting for toxicology reports. Possibly someone wanted Josh to sleep and gave him too much of something as a sleep aid. JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

However it would also be difficult for someone to carry a child there, I would think.<modsnip - no link> I think they are waiting for toxicology reports. Possibly someone wanted Josh to sleep and gave him too much of something as a sleep aid. JMO

Do we know when Joshie was last seen by anyone other than his mum? <modsnip - quoted post was snipped>

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Do we know when Joshie was last seen by anyone other than his mum?<modsnip - quoted post was snipped>

I haven’t see a report of last known sighting beside mom- reminds me of Taylor Williams case- she’d not been seen for months
moo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

what I find curious and what doesn't align with any sort of foul play scenario is LE were careful to not allow the public to help because they didn't want any sort of "evidence" disturbed. And yet reports are that officer Justin Gray is the one who "carried" Josh from the forest. If LE suspect foul play I would think the body would not have been moved as the body and surrounding area would be a crime scene?

Unless they suspect more than an elopement from the beginning and then they got more information on what happened and the final location of the body wasn’t the “crime scene” per se-

or the word “carried” is being used in a different way than we might be thinking- regardless of how long it took to process a crime scene- and or the condition of the body when located- SOMEONE(S) had to transport the body SOMEHOW from where it was to the ME … so when the father said Officer Gray “carried” him done the mountain it’s not like I might carry my grandchild down a hill

moo

 

[tlcya]

Unless they suspect more than an elopement from the beginning and then they got more information on what happened and the final location of the body wasn’t the “crime scene” per se-

or the word “carried” is being used in a different way than we might be thinking- regardless of how long it took to process a crime scene- and or the condition of the body when located- SOMEONE(S) had to transport the body SOMEHOW from where it was to the ME … so when the father said Officer Gray “carried” him done the mountain it’s not like I might carry my grandchild down a hill

moo

I follow you but a body dump site is indeed a crime scene, a secondary one as compared to the primary one which would be where the death actually occurred. JMO

 

[Shamrock1]

We don’t know the circumstances, he lives in another state and mom might have blocked contact and not following a custody agreement- we have no idea - moo

We do know some of the circumstances: per the father’s statements, the father ceased being the at-home primary caregiver to a young child with special needs and moved halfway across the country.

To my knowledge, the father has not mentioned (1) a custody arrangement, (2) whether the mother violated any such custody arrangement, and (3) whether the father sought court intervention for any violations of such an arrangement.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I follow you but a body dump site is indeed a crime scene, a secondary one as compared to the primary one which would be where the death actually occurred. JMO

Absolutely it’s a crime scene, just perhaps not the primary one- that’s why I used quotes- sorry if I wasn’t clear-

and I’m assuming it was properly processed prior to moving the body- collecting whatever evidence there was to collect- which might have been a lot or a little- I seem to recall a several hour delay in when LE stated the remains were found and when they made the announcement

and eventually the body would have to get moved by someone - perhaps by being “carried” - moo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

We do know some of the circumstances: per the father’s statements, the father ceased being the at-home primary caregiver to a young child with special needs and moved halfway across the country.

To my knowledge, the father has not mentioned (1) a custody arrangement, (2) whether the mother violated any such custody arrangement, and (3) whether the father sought court intervention for any violations of such an arrangement.

No I don’t recall reading any of those details either- also don’t recall seeing the reason for the break up- this couple had bought two houses together and had a young child- and then something happened- I don’t think it’s been stated what happened…

we do know that he has 4 other children and was from Ohio - so moving back to Ohio after the breakup makes sense to me - moo

 

[tlcya]

We know the father, who was his son's primary caregiver before the breakup has four older children all of whom presumably do not reside in Oregon. We know the father and presumably the mother moved to Oregon from Ohio. We know the father is a disabled veteran and when the couple separated he moved back to Ohio to be near the rest of his family.

MOO I will not be judging a man for returning to his home state after a divorce when I know nothing else about the circumstances that contributed to that.

All I know for sure is a child is dead, I am suspicious of what caused that death and the father was 2 thousand miles away when that happened. JMO

 

[tlcya]

Absolutely it’s a crime scene, just perhaps not the primary one- that’s why I used quotes- sorry if I wasn’t clear-

and I’m assuming it was properly processed prior to moving the body- collecting whatever evidence there was to collect- which might have been a lot or a little- I seem to recall a several hour delay in when LE stated the remains were found and when they made the announcement

and eventually the body would have to get moved by someone - perhaps by being “carried” - moo

true, you may be correct and I imagine this early on in the investigation the father wouldn't have been given any details on exactly how his deceased child was located and "carried" away form there. No father wants or needs to hear the logistics involved in said carrying.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

true, you may be correct and I imagine this early on in the investigation the father wouldn't have been given any details on exactly how his deceased child was located and "carried" away form there. No father wants or needs to hear the logistics involved in said carrying.

That’s my line of thinking right now- depending on circumstances- LE might not have disclosed or discussed details and possibly used euphemisms with speaking with the father just after the child was found deceased… moo

 

[bootsinmass]

re carrying Josh - I presume they conducted some preliminary investigation, but if the body was in such a difficult location, they likely had to move Joshie to examine the area as well as the body fully. It's likely evidence (if any) was collected prior to moving him. They may also have wrapped him in something to preserve evidence and mitigate any risk not just to the investigation, but also to LE directly for health and safety.

re terrain - if it was "nasty" for searchers, we can presume it was also bad for any bad actor(s) involved. I will say, children of that age are so good at getting to places that an adult can't, so I wouldn't assume Josh incapable of this.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

re carrying Josh - I presume they conducted some preliminary investigation, but if the body was in such a difficult location, they likely had to move Joshie to examine the area as well as the body fully. It's likely evidence (if any) was collected prior to moving him. They may also have wrapped him in something to preserve evidence and mitigate any risk not just to the investigation, but also to LE directly for health and safety.

re terrain - if it was "nasty" for searchers, we can presume it was also bad for any bad actor(s) involved. I will say, children of that age are so good at getting to places that an adult can't, so I wouldn't assume Josh incapable of this.

Very good point on children’s ability at getting into places that adults cannot-

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Has it been reported yet as to how LE came to eventually search in the particular location that he was found, even though it was outside the expected area?

 

[tlcya]

McCoy said he met his girlfriend, Angela German, when they both lived in Utah. The couple bought a house together and had a child. Then German got a job at a hospital in Coos Bay working as a nurse, and they sold the house and moved to Coos County and bought a house on an isolated stretch of road next to a large pond.
[snip]
McCoy hadn’t seen his son since he left Oregon, he said. And he now feels guilty, convinced that if he hadn’t left, his son would still be alive, McCoy’s brother, Joshua McCoy, said.
[snip]
Amos McCoy said he hasn’t been in touch with German, nor has anyone else in his family. He said he now regrets leaving.
Father of Coos County 5-year-old boy found dead wants answers: ‘I can’t believe this has happened’

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Amos McCoy said he hasn’t been in touch with German, nor has anyone else in his family. He said he now regrets leaving.

RSBM
To me this statement does not necessarily mean that he hadn’t been trying, it might mean that he was unsuccessful in getting in touch- maybe he didn’t even try- I don’t know… moo