Found Deceased OR - Joshua McCoy, 5, Autism, goes by "Josh" or "Joshie", may not respond, missing when mom woke up frm nap at 5:30pm, Stage Rd, Hauser, 10 Nov 2024

[INfisherman]

I wonder if Joshie's autism included a strong dislike of being dirty, or a sensory issue with leaves or dirt on his feet. If so, then maybe whatever dirt/leaves there were on his feet, once he stopped walking, he prioritized wiping away to the point where his feet looked fairly clean? Just a thought. MOO

Very good point. Jumping off of that thought, maybe that’s why he left the house. It was obviously filthy & I’d expect it to be difficult to navigate the filth. Many details being withheld make it difficult for me to come to reasonable conclusions.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Possible he walked all that way and as hypothermia set in, he burrowed in and then undressed (paradoxical undressing) which might explain limited scratches and clean feet if he removed long sleeves and socks.

No ill intention. Maybe not the greatest home situation but surely she had an expectation he'd be safe inside when she awoke.

Such a sad outcome.

How, how, how can we keep these children safe going forward????

JMO

 

[Kittypoo]

Possible he walked all that way and as hypothermia set in, he burrowed in and then undressed (paradoxical undressing) which might explain limited scratches and clean feet if he removed long sleeves and socks.

No ill intention. Maybe not the greatest home situation but surely she had an expectation he'd be safe inside when she awoke.

Such a sad outcome.

How, how, how can we keep these children safe going forward????

JMO

Unfortunately ‘we’ can’t keep them safe. That is a parents job.
Anyone can be impregnated and give birth that’s the easy part.
Being a decent parent is a whole different ballgame which is ever changing and evolving. Throw neurodivergence into the mix and it becomes even more challenging. Tiring!
I know I am stating the obvious but no one forces deadbeats to have children. It’s a life choice. Social services can’t be there every minute of every day and those with issues can easily choose to fly under the radar. And they do …. with devastating results sadly
JMO

 

[INfisherman]

Possible he walked all that way and as hypothermia set in, he burrowed in and then undressed (paradoxical undressing) which might explain limited scratches and clean feet if he removed long sleeves and socks.

No ill intention. Maybe not the greatest home situation but surely she had an expectation he'd be safe inside when she awoke.

Such a sad outcome.

How, how, how can we keep these children safe going forward????

JMO

Find ways to have interventions/pick up orders executed more quickly would probably be a good starting point based on the info from this event. I have also noticed a recurring behavior of parent(s) who quickly move from state to state in order to avoid social services from coming down on them. Same thing seems to have happened in this instance from what I gather.

Without coming across like a hardline form of extremism, which will never fly in this day & age of softies, I’m not sure much can be done.

I really appreciate your asking of the questions aimed at improvement and/or protection.

 

[tealrose]

Given that law enforcement stated his phone as being part of the evidence that supported him taking himself to that location... I was thinking about possible ways that might be true.

Perhaps the phone was in airplane mode when they arrived, but was not in airplane mode the entire time after he left the house

Perhaps there was some sort of log that indicated what time airplane mode was activated. Or what apps he was using during that time period.

Perhaps he'd taken photos, or recorded himself.

Perhaps there were specialized apps on his phone that offer even more possibilities.

We don't know, and at this point, given what the authorities have said, I'd guess we're unlikely to learn much more.

 

[Cat4]

Is the mother still missing, as was mentioned early on?

 

[Gemmie]

Is the mother still missing, as was mentioned early on?

I have not seen anything saying her whereabouts are now known. Unsure what's going on with her. The same with Maddie Soto's mother. She just dropped off the face of the earth and it's been close to a year now.

I hope we hear something new soon. Either on her whereabouts or Joshie's tox report. Anything!

 

[Kittypoo]

Given that law enforcement stated his phone as being part of the evidence that supported him taking himself to that location... I was thinking about possible ways that might be true.

Perhaps the phone was in airplane mode when they arrived, but was not in airplane mode the entire time after he left the house

Perhaps there was some sort of log that indicated what time airplane mode was activated. Or what apps he was using during that time period.

Perhaps he'd taken photos, or recorded himself.

Perhaps there were specialized apps on his phone that offer even more possibilities.

We don't know, and at this point, given what the authorities have said, I'd guess we're unlikely to learn much more.

What I don’t get is even if LE can track the phone movements they don’t know if J had the phone or someone else. Or if J had the phone was he alone or accompanied by someone?

 

[everyoneblooms]

Side note: I keep Narcan in my home and my vehicle. It is nothing to be ashamed of. You never know when someone may need it; lots of people hide addiction.

With that said, this "mother" is despicable IMO

 

[tlcya]

while Amos McCoy hasn't seen his son in a year since he and Angela German parted ways as a couple he had this to say:
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In the months since, he says he personally made multiple calls to Coos County law enforcement and Child Protective Services, expressing concern with the care Joshua was receiving.

“Who’s gonna be responsible for this? Who’s gonna take the fall for this?” McCoy told NBC5 News over the phone. “My baby’s dead right now because people didn’t do what they were supposed to.”
https://kobi5.com/news/father-of-5-...resses-frustration-with-investigation-260341/

So now we have the friend who AG called instead of police who had made AG move out of her house due to neglect of JJ and JJ's father allegedly making multiple reports to CPS, CPS having a pick up order, AG moving to stay ahead of the CPS case (IMO). Whether JJ wandered to where he was found (he did not IMO) or was carried there by another, there is serious neglect that directly IMO led to his untimely death.

I hope this case doesn't go away, because it stinks to high heaven.

 

[INfisherman]

while Amos McCoy hasn't seen his son in a year since he and Angela German parted ways as a couple he had this to say:
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In the months since, he says he personally made multiple calls to Coos County law enforcement and Child Protective Services, expressing concern with the care Joshua was receiving.

“Who’s gonna be responsible for this? Who’s gonna take the fall for this?” McCoy told NBC5 News over the phone. “My baby’s dead right now because people didn’t do what they were supposed to.”
https://kobi5.com/news/father-of-5-...resses-frustration-with-investigation-260341/

So now we have the friend who AG called instead of police who had made AG move out of her house due to neglect of JJ and JJ's father allegedly making multiple reports to CPS, CPS having a pick up order, AG moving to stay ahead of the CPS case (IMO). Whether JJ wandered to where he was found (he did not IMO) or was carried there by another, there is serious neglect that directly IMO led to his untimely death.

I hope this case doesn't go away, because it stinks to high heaven.

You & others with whom I’ve interacted have followed more cases than I have. What is your feeling as to possible reasons for LEs recent silence and/or delays? Holidays possibly? Still waiting on tox reports?

I agree. Some things aren’t quite adding up.

 

[Gemmie]

You & others with whom I’ve interacted have followed more cases than I have. What is your feeling as to possible reasons for LEs recent silence and/or delays? Holidays possibly? Still waiting on tox reports?

I agree. Some things aren’t quite adding up.

I think it's exactly what I had posted upthread about this and that's what the Oregon Health Authority has to say about the Confidentiality and Laws about the death of a child. This might be why things have been pretty quiet on that front.

Confidentiality is essential to the child death review process. Information about the deceased child and their family, as well as information about service providers involved with the family is to be shared only in the context of the review process at the county and state levels.

Prior to child death review, participating team members and guests must agree not to disclose information from the review process, including information shared in preparation for the reviews, during the reviews and at sub-group meetings. Sample confidentiality agreements for team members and guests are available in the toolkit.

Confidentiality laws and rules, such as those summarized below, were enacted to protect individuals from unwarranted invasions of their privacy and protect the interests of society.

More on that here: Oregon Health Authority : Confidentiality : Child Death Review and Prevention : State of Oregon.

 

[tlcya]

You & others with whom I’ve interacted have followed more cases than I have. What is your feeling as to possible reasons for LEs recent silence and/or delays? Holidays possibly? Still waiting on tox reports?

I agree. Some things aren’t quite adding up.

I think it's a combo of death of a child and the privacy around that and a mental health/substance abuse issue with the mother possibly being in a treatment facility situation and all the HIPAA around that.

I refuse to believe LE are no longer investigating and that there is nothing to see here. Plenty of people see a lot that doesn't add up about this case. jmo

ETA neither of these two things above would explain why the child's father hasn't been kept in the loop IMO A part of his anger while grieving is that nobody seems to want to tell him how this was allowed to happen to his child. I am angry as well, for him.

 

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[INfisherman]

I think it's exactly what I had posted upthread about this and that's what the Oregon Health Authority has to say about the Confidentiality and Laws about the death of a child. This might be why things have been pretty quiet on that front.

Confidentiality is essential to the child death review process. Information about the deceased child and their family, as well as information about service providers involved with the family is to be shared only in the context of the review process at the county and state levels.

Prior to child death review, participating team members and guests must agree not to disclose information from the review process, including information shared in preparation for the reviews, during the reviews and at sub-group meetings. Sample confidentiality agreements for team members and guests are available in the toolkit.

Confidentiality laws and rules, such as those summarized below, were enacted to protect individuals from unwarranted invasions of their privacy and protect the interests of society.

More on that here: Oregon Health Authority : Confidentiality : Child Death Review and Prevention : State of Oregon.

Thank you kindly. Admittedly, I joined the discussion late & had intended to go back & read older posts & simply let it slip from my mind to do so. Appreciate you bringing me forward & pointing out what I failed to consider. Your input is appreciated.

I think it's a combo of death of a child and the privacy around that and a mental health/substance abuse issue with the mother possibly being in a treatment facility situation and all the HIPAA around that.

I refuse to believe LE are no longer investigating and that there is nothing to see here. Plenty of people see a lot that doesn't add up about this case. jmo

ETA neither of these two things above would explain why the child's father hasn't been kept in the loop IMO A part of his anger while grieving is that nobody seems to want to tell him how this was allowed to happen to his child. I am angry as well, for him.

Agreed & thank you as well. I hope LE is continuing their investigation/inquiries & at some point have more to say to the public. As always, appreciate your perspective.

 

[Gemmie]

Not sure what to make of this article as they are saying a few things different than what I've remembered. One was that AG was "sleeping a lot" and not taking care of Joshie at her friends house... and the other was that AG's friend's husband "kicked the two out of their home".

Foul play suspected in 5-year-old's death, mother claims she was napping when child left home

Foul play is suspected in the case of a 5-year-old boy who was found dead in the woods just days before his birthday.

www.wsaz.com

 

[bluestsocks]

Good points - you might be on to something. Possibly beating a dead horse but forums are for discussion. The reference was limited to the needles & Narcan, FWIW.

LE seems to be playing it a bit closer to the vest than I initially thought. Final autopsy results are still pending, also mentioned intentionally & deliberately. Articulating facts is quite the interesting choice of words for something to be allegedly finalized. We shall see. I find it a bit convenient his phone was in airplane mode & we’re not hearing where her phone was at the time. Lab tests can be a myriad of things, not just a tox report for the deceased.

Unsure if DA can dictate potential charges coming from DHS/CPS. His reach may be limited to criminal charges. DHS/CPS may have other ideas. There was a reason a pickup order had been issued months ago, which likely had nothing to do with the DA, so there’s also that to consider.

FWIW & not that I feel you’re implying, I’ve never once said she’s guilty of causing his death. I have no qualms saying I have suspicions she might have or her actions did little to prevent it from occurring though. Bit of a difference there. However, she’s a poor excuse for a parent based on the little info I’ve seen. In the end, my thoughts/opinions in discussions have zero impact on whether the DA will file charges or not. Hopefully there will be more thorough explanations as to what all has led them to believe charges won’t be filed "in the immediate future". Hard for me to be convinced his cell info alone fully exonerates her, and that’s all LE is mentioning so far besides initial autopsy findings. Don’t know, tealrose - wish there were more info, for her sake. I certainly get no pleasure voicing my negative thoughts on the matter.

Charges or not, the media reports have painted what his home life was like quite clearly.

JMO

DA always decides criminal charges. CPS and DHS have no involvement with criminal actions in terms of charging someone. CPS investigates, does removals, and initiates juvenile proceedings in court over custody and care of children, but if they believe the abuse or neglect rises to a criminal charge, all CPS can really do is communicate that to the DA or LE and hope the DA decides to charge the parent. Now that the poor child is deceased, anything CPS may have done in juvenile proceedings is moot.

 

[KooshBall]

Mom needs to at least be charged with neglect, failure to report a missing child, have her nursing license revoked, and tubes tied imo.

 

[tlcya]

Published: Dec. 12, 2024 at 10:59 AM CST
German has not officially been charged but investigators believe there is enough evidence for a murder charge.
Foul play suspected in 5-year-old's death, mother claims she was napping when child left home

Dec 13, 2024 Updated Dec 13, 2024
According to the CCSO, evidence attained from search warrants that were executed in the days and weeks after McCoy was found led investigators to believe McCoy had walked away from the home while German was sleeping. Deputies said there are still laboratory results that have not yet been received, and an investigation is ongoing. The CCSO said it is as important for investigators to prove the innocence of involved parties as it is to prove guilt.
Coos County deputies believe child found dead died of hypothermia; investigation continuing

So in a 24 hour period investigators went from believing there is enough evidence for a murder charge to believing JJ wandered off and somehow carried himself miles away without getting a single scratch, abrasion, getting muddy, although he was found naked, including without shoes? I want to know what changed? What evidence leads them to that conclusion after their search warrants and why the delay from warrants being served/searches conducted and this new finding that JJ walked away on his own while AG slept? Search warrants were issued on or about November 11th.
I hope this is still being investigated because I truly believe charges are appropriate.

 

[Mack the Knife]

In the months since, he says he personally made multiple calls to Coos County law enforcement and Child Protective Services, expressing concern with the care Joshua was receiving.

“Who’s gonna be responsible for this? Who’s gonna take the fall for this?” McCoy told NBC5 News over the phone. “My baby’s dead right now because people didn’t do what they were supposed to.”
https://kobi5.com/news/father-of-5-...resses-frustration-with-investigation-260341/

I do not mean this in a victim-unfriendly way, but this rubs me the wrong way. “Take the fall”? For his child’s death? Again, we do not know why specifically he was not in Joshie’s life, but he wasn’t. Traditionally, the father is one of the people who is supposed to keep the child safe, and if they are not, then it falls to the state (Ie. CPS). As the father, he had more rights than the state to intercede if he thought something was wrong.

If Joshie’s mother is criminally responsible then I hope they charge her. But I don’t think anyone needs to “take the blame” necessarily. No one has ever found a perfect system when it comes to family services.