I hear what you are saying. But I am giving him some grace as he didn't have physical custody of his son, was in another state and is grieving.
"All in good time, my pretty... All in good time." (Said in my best Wicked Witch of the West voice)
I am local to this, and LE does not discuss it. The entire town believes that the mother should, at minimum, be charged with neglect.
So... at first his feet were clean, and now the autopsy gives evidence of walking to where he was found? Are they saying whoever claimed his feet were clean didn't notice that there was indeed mud on them?!??!? I join you in a pfft.
Maybe he undressed... hypothermia... removed socks/shoes... would explain clean feet. Maybe?So... at first his feet were clean, and now the autopsy gives evidence of walking to where he was found? Are they saying whoever claimed his feet were clean didn't notice that there was indeed mud on them?!??!? I join you in a pfft.
Also, how long does an toxicology report take?!? It's been almost 3 months!
And... this is saying the opposite of what your MSM says on the topic. So which is it? What the DA says or court documents? I find those conflicting statements very interesting. I hope we get more info soon.
Court documents say the boy was naked and appeared to have been dropped off in the woods near German’s home.
Court docs suggests foul play in death of 5-year-old boy in Coos County
Court documents are revealing new details about a case in Coos County of a young boy who was found dead in the woods just days before his 6th birthday.www.kptv.com
That is sort of my thinking. Even if he let himself out and wandered all that way, it happened on her drugged up nodding off watch MOO. That coupled with the fact Joshie was the subject of a child welfare investigation and had recently issued a 'pick up order' for Joshie tells me it was only a matter of time before something bad happened to him.
You know, I wondered about that. Thinking maybe he took his shoes and socks off and threw them (since they weren't mentioned being found, only his phone).
but then why no scrapes from wandering through brush. He was found naked, so if he took his clothing off along the way, you would expect bramble and branches to have scraped him up. but MSM said he had no evidence of any of that.
Yep. That is why these conflicting reports are confusing the matter. One hand says 'this', the other says 'that'.
Thank you for summarizing and posting. First, I'm impressed the report was published. In my state DHHR doesn't seem to have any responsibility to share with the public, nor have local media gone that far in reporting.Ho boy. There's a lot that hit today. This is behind a paywall so I'll summarize:
The state’s review also suggested that potential biases may have factored into the state’s response to complaints about AG.
- Child welfare authorities had extensive contact with AG, and her family and friends in the months before Joshie's disappearance
- They didn’t intervene because the mother left the the state twice, planning to get help caring for the Joshie (Per a state review)
- Both of those trips were brief and ended with AG returning back to Oregon.
- The DA reviewed the investigation and declined to file charges against AG.
- ODHS ( Oregon Department of Human Services) reviews the death of a child in cases where abuse may be a factor and where child welfare authorities have been involved with the family.
- Apparently that was an 18 page report and it was concluded that the caseworker and supervisor were not negligent in their handling of the complaints against AG.
- Gemmie here - Also called CYA
- AG did not respond to a voicemail on Tuesday
- Gemmie here - so sounds like someone knows how to reach her? Is she still at her home where Joshie went missing, or somewhere else?
- The report noted that the Department of Human Services previously determined that an allegation in May that German neglected her son was unfounded; it drew the same conclusion after receiving a “threat of harm” allegation in July.
- Apparently the report has "bleak new details" about Joshie's homelife.
- A report from last May described squalid conditions in the house and concerns about Joshie's gaunt and “unkempt” appearance.
- Per the review - An unidentified caller called the state and said Joshie was autistic and non-verbal and that his mother was failing to meet his needs. This person also said she left him unsupervised and that she drank heavily.
- That... might be why she supposedly took a 4 hr (or however long it was) nap.
- The above caller also said Joshie threw food around the house and that AG didn't clean.
- “It was reported the child had once spilled a potty chair on the floor and the mother just threw a paper towel over the feces and urine and did not clean it up for days”
- They also said Joshie was a picky eater and that AG "would typically feed them pizza, chicken nuggets, cookies, candy, marshmallows, dry cereal, and chocolate milk."
- The report goes on to say that there was approximately 20 instances between May and July where child welfare authorities either "spoke with AG, tried to reach her or spoke with — or tried to reach — friends, a babysitter, a pediatrician, a co-worker and relative".
- A caseworker saw the state that the house was in and came to the conclusion that "although it was “messy,” the conditions “were not a safety threat to the child.”.
- AG told her caseworker she was going to leave Oregon, which she did as we know.
- During the summer a child welfare worker talked to a relative of theirs who said they were staying with them. That person went on to say that Joshie had “been isolated” and “had special needs that required extra attention.”
- This person also said Joshie was very smart and could spell several words on his own and that he would often talk to himself.
- Shortly after they returned to Oregon but concerns about her parenting still persisted per the 18 page report that I'd love to get my hands on.
- In July the report said that the house was “unsafe and unsanitary,” with food and furniture strewn across the floor.
- It also states that AG suffered from depression and anxiety and "was abusing alcohol".
- That same month a caseworker met with them and noted that Joshie seemed happy.
- After that AG left Oregon again, telling her friend that she was leaving Oregon over child welfare authorities’ interference. If I'm understanding the reporting, that's when she left for Utah.
- Court records said child welfare authorities also opened an investigation of AG. (She can run but she can't hide)
- The person she was staying with in Utah said AG was "inattentive to Joshua and failed to enroll him in school or obtain medical care."
- AG then returned back to Oregon in October.
- When police did their investigation they noted that "the home was filthy, with garbage, moldy food and duck feces throughout."
- I don't recall if we knew that AG searched for Joshie (which she did per the article)
- The agency ordered a systematic review of its inquiries in those cases due to a high number of deaths involving children with intellectual and developmental needs. 6 of the 20 child death cases reviewed in 2024 involved children with special needs.
- Lastly:
“The parent’s socio-economic and professional status may have influenced the (Oregon Department of Human Services) staff’s assessment of the parent’s ability to meet their child’s needs without ODHS support,” the report said.
As we are aware, AG is a registered nurse.
Oregon child welfare workers fielded extensive complaints about homelife of boy who died in woods
The report provides bleak new details about Joshua McCoy’s homelife, noting one report from last May that described squalid conditions in the house and concerns about the child’s gaunt and “unkempt” appearance.www.oregonlive.com
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I think you're thinking of the Elijah Vue case in Wisconsin. This is Joshua McCoy in Oregon so it's only addressing his mother who he was in the care of.
Yikes. Completely explains why Vang is not mentioned.I think you're thinking of the Elijah Vue case in Wisconsin. This is Joshua McCoy in Oregon so it's only addressing his mother who he was in the care of.
Goodness, that is a LOT to process.Ho boy. There's a lot that hit today. This is behind a paywall so I'll summarize:
The state’s review also suggested that potential biases may have factored into the state’s response to complaints about AG.
- Child welfare authorities had extensive contact with AG, and her family and friends in the months before Joshie's disappearance
- They didn’t intervene because the mother left the the state twice, planning to get help caring for the Joshie (Per a state review)
- Both of those trips were brief and ended with AG returning back to Oregon.
- The DA reviewed the investigation and declined to file charges against AG.
- ODHS ( Oregon Department of Human Services) reviews the death of a child in cases where abuse may be a factor and where child welfare authorities have been involved with the family.
- Apparently that was an 18 page report and it was concluded that the caseworker and supervisor were not negligent in their handling of the complaints against AG.
- Gemmie here - Also called CYA
- AG did not respond to a voicemail on Tuesday
- Gemmie here - so sounds like someone knows how to reach her? Is she still at her home where Joshie went missing, or somewhere else?
- The report noted that the Department of Human Services previously determined that an allegation in May that German neglected her son was unfounded; it drew the same conclusion after receiving a “threat of harm” allegation in July.
- Apparently the report has "bleak new details" about Joshie's homelife.
- A report from last May described squalid conditions in the house and concerns about Joshie's gaunt and “unkempt” appearance.
- Per the review - An unidentified caller called the state and said Joshie was autistic and non-verbal and that his mother was failing to meet his needs. This person also said she left him unsupervised and that she drank heavily.
- That... might be why she supposedly took a 4 hr (or however long it was) nap.
- The above caller also said Joshie threw food around the house and that AG didn't clean.
- “It was reported the child had once spilled a potty chair on the floor and the mother just threw a paper towel over the feces and urine and did not clean it up for days”
- They also said Joshie was a picky eater and that AG "would typically feed them pizza, chicken nuggets, cookies, candy, marshmallows, dry cereal, and chocolate milk."
- The report goes on to say that there was approximately 20 instances between May and July where child welfare authorities either "spoke with AG, tried to reach her or spoke with — or tried to reach — friends, a babysitter, a pediatrician, a co-worker and relative".
- A caseworker saw the state that the house was in and came to the conclusion that "although it was “messy,” the conditions “were not a safety threat to the child.”.
- AG told her caseworker she was going to leave Oregon, which she did as we know.
- During the summer a child welfare worker talked to a relative of theirs who said they were staying with them. That person went on to say that Joshie had “been isolated” and “had special needs that required extra attention.”
- This person also said Joshie was very smart and could spell several words on his own and that he would often talk to himself.
- Shortly after they returned to Oregon but concerns about her parenting still persisted per the 18 page report that I'd love to get my hands on.
- In July the report said that the house was “unsafe and unsanitary,” with food and furniture strewn across the floor.
- It also states that AG suffered from depression and anxiety and "was abusing alcohol".
- That same month a caseworker met with them and noted that Joshie seemed happy.
- After that AG left Oregon again, telling her friend that she was leaving Oregon over child welfare authorities’ interference. If I'm understanding the reporting, that's when she left for Utah.
- Court records said child welfare authorities also opened an investigation of AG. (She can run but she can't hide)
- The person she was staying with in Utah said AG was "inattentive to Joshua and failed to enroll him in school or obtain medical care."
- AG then returned back to Oregon in October.
- When police did their investigation they noted that "the home was filthy, with garbage, moldy food and duck feces throughout."
- I don't recall if we knew that AG searched for Joshie (which she did per the article)
- The agency ordered a systematic review of its inquiries in those cases due to a high number of deaths involving children with intellectual and developmental needs. 6 of the 20 child death cases reviewed in 2024 involved children with special needs.
- Lastly:
“The parent’s socio-economic and professional status may have influenced the (Oregon Department of Human Services) staff’s assessment of the parent’s ability to meet their child’s needs without ODHS support,” the report said.
As we are aware, AG is a registered nurse.
Oregon child welfare workers fielded extensive complaints about homelife of boy who died in woods
The report provides bleak new details about Joshua McCoy’s homelife, noting one report from last May that described squalid conditions in the house and concerns about the child’s gaunt and “unkempt” appearance.
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Clearing something up about this bullet from my long post above.
Thank you for this post, @Gemmie ! Very informative and helpful IMO!Ho boy. There's a lot that hit today. This is behind a paywall so I'll summarize:
The state’s review also suggested that potential biases may have factored into the state’s response to complaints about AG.
- Child welfare authorities had extensive contact with AG, and her family and friends in the months before Joshie's disappearance
- They didn’t intervene because the mother left the the state twice, planning to get help caring for the Joshie (Per a state review)
- Both of those trips were brief and ended with AG returning back to Oregon.
- The DA reviewed the investigation and declined to file charges against AG.
- ODHS ( Oregon Department of Human Services) reviews the death of a child in cases where abuse may be a factor and where child welfare authorities have been involved with the family.
- Apparently that was an 18 page report and it was concluded that the caseworker and supervisor were not negligent in their handling of the complaints against AG.
- Gemmie here - Also called CYA
- AG did not respond to a voicemail on Tuesday
- Gemmie here - so sounds like someone knows how to reach her? Is she still at her home where Joshie went missing, or somewhere else?
- The report noted that the Department of Human Services previously determined that an allegation in May that German neglected her son was unfounded; it drew the same conclusion after receiving a “threat of harm” allegation in July.
- Apparently the report has "bleak new details" about Joshie's homelife.
- A report from last May described squalid conditions in the house and concerns about Joshie's gaunt and “unkempt” appearance.
- Per the review - An unidentified caller called the state and said Joshie was autistic and non-verbal and that his mother was failing to meet his needs. This person also said she left him unsupervised and that she drank heavily.
- That... might be why she supposedly took a 4 hr (or however long it was) nap.
- The above caller also said Joshie threw food around the house and that AG didn't clean.
- “It was reported the child had once spilled a potty chair on the floor and the mother just threw a paper towel over the feces and urine and did not clean it up for days”
- They also said Joshie was a picky eater and that AG "would typically feed them pizza, chicken nuggets, cookies, candy, marshmallows, dry cereal, and chocolate milk."
- The report goes on to say that there was approximately 20 instances between May and July where child welfare authorities either "spoke with AG, tried to reach her or spoke with — or tried to reach — friends, a babysitter, a pediatrician, a co-worker and relative".
- A caseworker saw the state that the house was in and came to the conclusion that "although it was “messy,” the conditions “were not a safety threat to the child.”.
- AG told her caseworker she was going to leave Oregon, which she did as we know.
- During the summer a child welfare worker talked to a relative of theirs who said they were staying with them. That person went on to say that Joshie had “been isolated” and “had special needs that required extra attention.”
- This person also said Joshie was very smart and could spell several words on his own and that he would often talk to himself.
- Shortly after they returned to Oregon but concerns about her parenting still persisted per the 18 page report that I'd love to get my hands on.
- In July the report said that the house was “unsafe and unsanitary,” with food and furniture strewn across the floor.
- It also states that AG suffered from depression and anxiety and "was abusing alcohol".
- That same month a caseworker met with them and noted that Joshie seemed happy.
- After that AG left Oregon again, telling her friend that she was leaving Oregon over child welfare authorities’ interference. If I'm understanding the reporting, that's when she left for Utah.
- Court records said child welfare authorities also opened an investigation of AG. (She can run but she can't hide)
- The person she was staying with in Utah said AG was "inattentive to Joshua and failed to enroll him in school or obtain medical care."
- AG then returned back to Oregon in October.
- When police did their investigation they noted that "the home was filthy, with garbage, moldy food and duck feces throughout."
- I don't recall if we knew that AG searched for Joshie (which she did per the article)
- The agency ordered a systematic review of its inquiries in those cases due to a high number of deaths involving children with intellectual and developmental needs. 6 of the 20 child death cases reviewed in 2024 involved children with special needs.
- Lastly:
“The parent’s socio-economic and professional status may have influenced the (Oregon Department of Human Services) staff’s assessment of the parent’s ability to meet their child’s needs without ODHS support,” the report said.
As we are aware, AG is a registered nurse.
Oregon child welfare workers fielded extensive complaints about homelife of boy who died in woods
The report provides bleak new details about Joshua McCoy’s homelife, noting one report from last May that described squalid conditions in the house and concerns about the child’s gaunt and “unkempt” appearance.
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