It's a slightly warmer day today, but it's still very cold at altitude.scandi said:Buzz, I just looked at the photo of the footprints and wanted your opinion about something.
At the bottom of the photo you see the prints going straight up and they get faint for a while and then you see they turn left and think that is a cave they built. And then you see the footsteps exit that area and turn left and continue straight up the mountain.
Do you think that is the first cave, and that when Kelly exited it he followed their footsteps up a little ways, lost, and then started building another cave? I don't see footsteps going back down the mountain.
Also, to the left of the footprints I see what looks like where something slid down. Is that from rocks, or could it be from where they came back down. The Sheriff said they think they came back down to the cave area, and I'm wondering if that slide area meant anything to them.
Thanks Sweetie Scandi
I join you in lighting a candle for these souls... and praying for their families.Buzzm1 said:It's a slightly warmer day today, but it's still very cold at altitude.
Today's Sunrise: 7:42 AM
Today's Sunset: 4:24 PM
Scandi, weren't you mentioning that another storm is supposed to arrive by Wednesday morning--it was mentioned that is won't be as large as the last one (that's good news), but it is still expected to be a sizeable storm.
I'm getting a feeling that tomorrow will probably be the end of the organized search. Once the storm moves in, it will be at least another few days, before the searchers could possibly get back up on the mountain; that makes it Saturday, and that means two full weeks on the mountain for the other two climbers without adequate food, or fuel. I think that is where they will possibly pronounce them "Lost, and presumed dead" and wait for spring.
It will be a very sad ending to a long, and sad, drama.
I'm lighting a candle in memory of Kelly James, Brian Hall, and Jerry "Nikke" Cooke.
To answer a question. It seems that the climbers did summit because faint tracks were found near the summit plateau leading towards the Wyeast Route. Most likely they were not trying to descend down the Pearly Gates (as per news reports) but looking
for the Cooper Spur route. They miscalculated (got lost) and
descended too far SE to the Wyeast Route instead and dropped approx 350 ft. There they discovered their error, traversed East about 150ft and built a snow cave (big enough for 3) to await the next morning. The next day James remained in the cave, one or two? climbers traversed further East on very steep terrain towards the Cooper Spur crest. There they continued their decent another 100ft down the crest. They then chose to go further to skiers left beyond the crest where they established another smaller cave and the rap anchors on steep terrain. After that.... is a mystery that left behind one backpad pad, some pickets? and 2 technical axes in the cave. There is evidence that the rope was cut.
Please appreciate the conditions that these climbers were facing. To error is human and maybe some were made that day. But its also likely that they fought long and hard to make it down. They operated for a time under extreme conditions and as a human being and as a climber I have to respect that.
Sassygerl said:Kelly apparently had an injury at least to his arm....possible broken arm from what I gathered from the press conf. So sadI'm starting to lose hope for the other two...they should have surfaced by now.....I will hold on though and pray for a miracle!
LaMer said:Sassygerl, what did I miss, as I don't recall anything about his arm. Was this the press conf just a few minutes ago? I missed that one.
I was thinking maybe he had had some chest pains (heart problem), as he told his wife he was so tired and exhausted--just speculating tho...and I hate to do that too. sorry...
scandi said:Hi Sassygerl,
We were wrong about that as the cave situation about which was which was confusing.
The first cave they built on Friday that was nicely made was where they left Kelly James. It was the one they all stayed in that first night before the others left Sat morning to go for help. This is also the cave that Kelly died in and where they found him.
What I'm not sure of now is where the circular pattern of tracks were, but they must have been outside of the big cave that the searchers found last. He was delireous and must have gone outside after the guys didn't come back as soon as he thought they should.
So the cave they built after they left Kelly was not really a cave but a carved out space to tuck in away from the wind. It is shown in that photo with the rope arrow. And it is the photo that shows the arrow going up and down not sideways as we first saw it. The Sheriff pointed that out today. Up to the right of that Y you see a ledge with a big rock. And you can see their footprints as they came over the cornice of ice and snow above that rock and then where they walked across that ledge.
Where they tucked in is shown to the right of that rock, and you see all their footprints and tracks right there. They then made the Y with the rope and left the extra ice pics, etc in that little hollowed out space. And then they dont't know what they did as I don't think there are any other tracks out of there, so they might have used that anchor and went down the mountain, then slipped. That Y is right at the tip of the Elliot Glacier that is closest to the summit.
Scandi
scandi said:Hi Sassygerl,
We were wrong about that as the cave situation about which was which was confusing.
The first cave they built on Friday that was nicely made was where they left Kelly James. It was the one they all stayed in that first night before the others left Sat morning to go for help. This is also the cave that Kelly died in and where they found him.
What I'm not sure of now is where the circular pattern of tracks were, but they must have been outside of the big cave that the searchers found last. He was delireous and must have gone outside after the guys didn't come back as soon as he thought they should.
So the cave they built after they left Kelly was not really a cave but a carved out space to tuck in away from the wind. It is shown in that photo with the rope arrow. And it is the photo that shows the arrow going up and down not sideways as we first saw it. The Sheriff pointed that out today. Up to the right of that Y you see a ledge with a big rock. And you can see their footprints as they came over the cornice of ice and snow above that rock and then where they walked across that ledge.
Where they tucked in is shown to the right of that rock, and you see all their footprints and tracks right there. They then made the Y with the rope and left the extra ice pics, etc in that little hollowed out space. And then they dont't know what they did as I don't think there are any other tracks out of there, so they might have used that anchor and went down the mountain, then slipped. That Y is right at the tip of the Elliot Glacier that is closest to the summit.
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