OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #1

[human]

As a former teacher, I can tell you that parents are supposed to tell the school if they are taking a child home early. Maybe since this school has never had any issues, they didn't realize something like this could happen.

I had a parent take a child once while the children were lined up to go home. I had my back turned and didn't see her take the child. I assumed that is what happened, but I called until I found Mother. It took awhile and I was having a breakdown the whole time.

If someone else comes to pick up a child, they have to be on an approved list and ID's have to be checked. It's hard to believe that the school would just assume that the child left with the step mom and not check it out.

I would think that the teacher would have seen him earlier and wondered what had happened to him. I can see the teacher asking the class where Kyron is. I wonder what the response was?

Seriously, if there are any parents on here, go to your school board and demand that there is training every year for teachers on child safety in the school. If a child is not there, don't assume anything.

I wonder who was in charge of the little group that he was in and what happened between 8:45 and 10 AM? The report is confusing. Was he with step mom or was he with a group?

I can see someone taking him out for some pretext, but it is interesting with all of the activity that no one saw anything. That appears to be the case if they are out searching and not questioning any particular people. Maybe they are and we don't know it.

 

[Wrinkles]

Well...they are obviously treating this as if something happened locally (searches in buildings etc.) but...

I certainly don't want to add pain to a painful situation, but what "could have" happened?

We know the birth mom lives some hours away. We also could conjecture that with no screaming (we don't think) or any such, and a shy child (one who knows stranger danger), that it could be possible that the child went with someone he knew (aunt, uncle, cousin on his birthmom's side). What if they waited until they saw the stepmom leave, then went and met Kyron walking down the hall (or wherever) -- maybe they showed up and said, "Came to see your science project," -- then said -- "Your mom's here, she's just down the way picking up some donuts -- let's go get her." At that point, the child could have been whisked away and hidden, as a type of parent abduction scheme.

So...the mom has an alibi, the relative has the child safely hidden waiting for her arrival, the mom shows for the search etc. then...returns home and has a business trip somewhere or just heads and meets with the child elsewhere.

We still don't know if there was a custody thing going on. Could it be possible that they MUST treat this as a possible local abduction, and while doing so are tracking some of the birthmom's relatives elsewhere -- knowing that those relatives would think that they had thrown everyone off the scent?

Did someone say that the step mom left something on her facebook page.. Yes..

Posted approx 10:30 AM
>>Please don't listen to the news. It is inaccurate. We will give details as soon as we can. Thank you all for your well wishes. There are a lot of people looking.<<

Then...(about 15 minutes ago as I type this at 10:33PM PST)...
>>Kitty has been hugged by lots of people both in person and via internet. She keeps going in Kyron's room, sitting on his bed and reading his books. <<

Is that smile there possibly because the FBI is really all over this and it is just a matter of time until they pull together those involved...KNOWING that the child is safe? YET they cannot let anyone know UNTIL certain things are done and they can nab the people involved, i.e. catch them red handed?

Was the search called off? If so...could that be another confirmation of the above?

 

[RubyRed]

The school my kids go to is also small and I've often taken my kids home early after a field trip or party when nothing else (academically speaking) was planned. I could easily see how people would assume Terry took Kyron home after the science fair. When is the last day at Kyron's school?

I really hope someone clarifies the times he was last seen, by whom and where.

I have a seven year old, too, and I can't even imagine the fear his family must be feeling. Praying for the little guy's safe return!

http://www.skylinek8.org/

June 15th is the last day of school.

 

[pdxmama]

Hi Pdxmama, I just heard about Kyron tonight on the 6 O'clock news and have been praying for his safe return ASAP.

I live in West Slope, not very far at all from Sylvan so it hits hard him being so far away right now and yet possibly so close to home. I don't know if they are still searching tonight but they were at dusk. Thank goodness they are working his case as a missing child so they are exploring every possibility, probably hard at work as we speak.

I sooooo hope little Kyron is found safe and sound. Such a little man he is with his glasses and great big smile ;} xox

Hi Scandi - I wasn't prepared for how emotional I would be knowing this little guy is probably somewhere close to me and no one knows where. It is a helpless feeling.

I love the photos of him, he looks so proud of his project. I'm praying right along with you.

 

[gwenabob]

That may vary from school to school. When I was in 6th grade (the only time I recall being in a school where a science fair was held), they definitely were giving awards at least to the 5th and 6th graders. I don't recall if there were any awards for lower grades. It might have been a different set of awards for each grade (i.e. so as not have 2nd graders' projects being compared to 6th graders' projects).

I should have been more specific. I live here in Portland and I was referring to Portland schools. We are uber-progressive here in Portland and would never dream of singling kids out for praise at the expense of children who might get their feelings hurt for not getting a prize. Instead we allow all children equality in mediocrity. <sarcasm toward Portland Public Schools intended!>

 

[Wrinkles]

Again... I'm seeing another happy face after Terri's posting on FB. Is this a signal to friends to try and comfort them, they must all be torn up -- perhaps this is her way of trying to comfort them?

I'm feeling that this would not be there if they did not know something very pertinent and comforting.

If this child was snatched by a relative (birth mom's) and they were going to try to head somewhere "unknown," so to speak, to get Kyron out of state or out of the country... They might feel that the relative loved the child and would do nothing harmful.

The name "Kyron" -- that is a unique name... Could be a mix of two names, could be Kyron, the name itself -- what country might that be from, where they name people Kyron? I saw someone in Australia named that. Could the mother be from out of this country originally?

What do we know about birthmom?

 

[RubyRed]

Re the photos at post #358: Who is Leslie Liden, and why is her tiny home getting this thorough third-party search treatment? I thought police were asking people to search their *own* homes and properties. That house is tiny, and if it's been occupied by Leslie and her baby since Kyron went missing, he could hardly have gotten inside without her knowledge. Is she someone they have reason to suspect would be deliberately concealing him? Odd . . .

I know that is very odd isn't it.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hello Human,

Nice to meet you

I thought about the money being spent... But wouldn't an abduction be an abduction either way (kidnapping) and until they could definitely prove one scenario, they would have to continue on with the alternate scenario maybe?

That first thing...
>> Please don't listen to the news. It is inaccurate. We will give details as soon as we can.<<

That is almost like saying, "The news doesn't know what we do...please don't believe them" (as in don't let your hearts get too troubled, I will give you the details as soon as they have the abductors cornered and caught red handed.)

Again...wouldn't they have to keep the abductors thinking that they had gotten away with this because of the continuing search?

I dunno...just thinking.

 

[scandi]

I just heard on the 11pm news: THEY ARE SEARCHING THRU THE NIGHT FOR KYRON

That is good news. xox

 

[Wrinkles]

Gang...

I'm starting to feel some real hope in how I am seeing Terri in her FB.

Someone smiled and said they couldn't quit poking, with a smile

Terri responds with "I know - I think it's addicting."

These responses, feel to me like those of someone who feels like LE has the situation in total control AND it is maybe just a matter of minutes, or hours until they cinch things.

I could not imagine even feigning the comfort of a happy face under these circumstances, so I am thinking (and very much hoping) that this ends soon with very good news for Kyron.

 

[Wrinkles]

Thanks for the report Scandi,

I hope that search is really sitting and waiting for a relative to make a move...

 

[cluciano63]

the use of a smiley face by stepmom is very weird, if she doesn't have reason to believe he is safe...i can't imagine choosing that icon otherwise. But I do not believe the extensive searching would be done unless there is no evidence of any specific situation having occurred...money could not be used that way simply to throw off suspects, if any, it would be ludicrous. But stepmom makes me think that something has been seen on video or some other evidence has come forth that makes her optimistic...even the fact that she is posting at all, really...
Do we know Mom's initials? Has she been mentioned at all by name?

 

[Wrinkles]

Per Pufnstuf (message 329) -- I think I got that name right

>>
TMH - married to KAH
KAH - father
DDY - former wife of KAH

Kyron - son of KAH and DDY

KH - toddler daughter of KAH and TMH
JM - son of TMH and previous husband
<<

I don't know what DDY stands for. The father and step mom's name have been identified in the public, I believe.

 

[pufnstuf]

Thanks for the report Scandi,

I hope that search is really sitting and waiting for a relative to make a move...

Searchers have been through head-high brush and bramble today. I really don't think that they're faking it. They are earnestly looking for a little boy who's missing.

 

[Wrinkles]

Geesh...how did I miss this article?

"Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing "

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

AHA...details emerging... I haven't finished reading the article posted at June 05, 2010, 11:21PM

 

[pufnstuf]

Per Pufnstuf (message 329) -- I think I got that name right

>>
TMH - married to KAH
KAH - father
DDY - former wife of KAH

Kyron - son of KAH and DDY

KH - toddler daughter of KAH and TMH
JM - son of TMH and previous husband
<<

I don't know what DDY stands for. The father and step mom's name have been identified in the public, I believe.

The mother hasn't been identified publicly.
ETA: I see she has now been identified.

 

[Wrinkles]

Nah... I didn't indicate faking it...

Until you can prove one scenario, you must work on all scenarios.

 

[Wrinkles]

BTW Pufnstuf,

Thanks for getting that list of acronyms with the people together!

Much appreciated!

 

[cluciano63]

That article did not really clarify much, other than the family situation and a little more about the school day, for me. I still can't get a handle on this at all...I did not think he was a wanderer and that was confirmed...so it makes less sense. I can't imagine he would go with a stranger...and surely school employees were checked out first, just to simply them and get them out of the way? What a mystery...

 

[human]

Geesh...how did I miss this article?

"Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing "

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

AHA...details emerging... I haven't finished reading the article posted at June 05, 2010, 11:21PM

That article certainly makes one wonder why the teacher didn't wonder where Kyron was. It really bothers me.