OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #11

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  • #81
I'd be horrified to find out that LE hadn't begun a possible criminal investigation from the start.

I wouldn't worry about that. I am positive a criminal investigation was begun almost immediately. What I find interesting is that they keep denying it. It's not rocket science to figure out that Major Crimes Teams investigate, well....crimes.
 
  • #82
I'd be horrified to find out that LE hadn't begun a possible criminal investigation from the start.

So would I, but I believe we're all going to be horrified, one way or another, when/if this "situation" is ever resolved.
 
  • #83
I wouldn't worry about that. I am positive a criminal investigation was begun almost immediately. What I find interesting is that they keep denying it. It's not rocket science to figure out that Major Crimes Teams investigate, well....crimes.

Well... they haven't denied that at all. They've talked about all the people who've come together for this case, including the FBI CARD team. They're saying they aren't calling it a criminal investigation yet; I take that to mean they're working both simultaneously.
 
  • #84
Nellie...your post gave me chills....and I'm so glad you are here to share with us....and thank you.

You are right...it is beautiful out! Welcome to WS!
 
  • #85
So would I, but I believe we're all going to be horrified, one way or another, when/if this "situation" is ever resolved.

I suppose he could have been kidnapped and held, but from past cases I'd say that's unlikely. And if he wandered off, I don't see him surviving this long. Either way, I think he's gone :(
 
  • #86
I thought of that too, but the sheriff keeps saying over and over and OVER that there is NO indication that a crime has been committed and if and when there is they will follow those leads. They themselves are saying they have no information to make them believe a crime has been committed, yet they activate the Major Crimes Team. That doesn't add up, IMO.

It makes perfect sense to me, for Kyron. I'm glad they did it. I want every effective resource put to him being found.

A decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI.

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm
 
  • #87
I suppose he could have been kidnapped and held, but from past cases I'd say that's unlikely. And if he wandered off, I don't see him surviving this long. Either way, I think he's gone :(

I keep hoping this isn't the case.....but the longer this goes on the worse it looks unfortunately
 
  • #88
I wouldn't worry about that. I am positive a criminal investigation was begun almost immediately. What I find interesting is that they keep denying it. It's not rocket science to figure out that Major Crimes Teams investigate, well....crimes.

Yep, they've been looking at every single way in which this could be a crime. They haven't found any of one yet, which is good, because it increases Kyron's chances of being alive.

"We've got investigators that are looking at every aspect; looking at every area of criminal categories," Staton said. "At this point, it hasn't reached the level that we are looking at this as a crime."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/oregon.missing.boy/index.html?eref=rss_crime
 
  • #89
I suppose he could have been kidnapped and held, but from past cases I'd say that's unlikely. And if he wandered off, I don't see him surviving this long. Either way, I think he's gone :(

Actually, I'm leaning (a bit) toward the scenerio where he was lured out of the building by someone/anyone for nefarious purposes. Then, when he realized said person did not have his best interests in mind, he ran. I think it possible LE has a witness to some of this and that's why it's being kept quiet, and why they spent so much time searching around the school.

Meanwhile, we possibly have Kyron running, hiding in all that tall grass, brush, briars, and trees, scared out of his mind, maybe hurt. And, no, I'm not sure he could have survived this long either, he's too small, not enough physical resources to draw on.

I absolutely hate this case, all of our worst nightmares are coming true. I can't sleep, or do much of anything else, but come here to see if he's found or hear what others think. Please, God, bring this little boy home safe. And, if that can't be, please bring him home.
 
  • #90
hi all.....

Can someone please clarify for me if it has been stated where the older stepbrother currently is??????

IS he at school right now? has this been confirmed??

Might answer a few questions as to stepmums demeanour and why bio mum was a bit off to her....

-also taking the pet (if it is in fact missing)

-also Kyron leaving the school with someone he knows......"unique situation"

-The fact that in the press conference they seem to be talking to Kyron directly.

Also it has never been established why he is living with his grandparents..other than to train a horse and be nearer to his father......and go to her old school...I dont buy that...

I did not want to mention this as it is very sensitive to my family but my 17 year old stepdaughter lives with her grandparents.....she lived with us for 5 years and I can tell you now it was because of problems and a family on the verge of a divorce unless there was an intervention....I am not proud of this at all but do know that this is more common than it should be....

I therefore wonder if it some form of payback by a very hurt teen and/or his dad......

I truly hope this is the case and they have him somewhere safe but just not telling the police where...

PLEASE THIS IS JUST AN IDEA....

I really don't see him living with the GP odd. I moved from NJ to PA my senior year in high school to live with my grandparents since they needed help due to their age and my grandmother recovering from a broken foot. I had spent lots of vacation time there and had lots of friends and family in the area, so I was fine with it and it was actually one of my favorite times in my life.
 
  • #91
That is interesting, Trident. For some reason I never thought of him being lured out and bolting, but it makes sense. Scary!
 
  • #92
I really don't see him living with the GP odd. I moved from NJ to PA my senior year in high school to live with my grandparents since they needed help due to their age and my grandmother recovering from a broken foot. I had spent lots of vacation time there and had lots of friends and family in the area, so I was fine with it and it was actually one of my favorite times in my life.

Now that's kinda funny 'cause I moved from PA to NJ to live with my grandparents in the fifth grade, and stayed for the rest of my growing up years. Ain't life interesting?
 
  • #93
I honestly don't think he weighs 50 lbs. He is only 3'8" -- a little guy for his age, considering he will be eight in three months.

50 pounds on his little frame -- I just don't see that. Maybe with five pounds of shoes and clothes on.

my son is 13 and weighs 80lb soaking wet.......he's always been small and he's only 4 1/2 ft tall
 
  • #94
It makes perfect sense to me, for Kyron. I'm glad they did it. I want every effective resource put to him being found.

A decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI.

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm glad they're using all the resources at their disposal - I wish all missing children would receive this kind of attention and intensive uses of resources (but that's a whole other topic).

I just find the mixed messages curious. According to the press conferences, there is no indication of an abduction, no indication of a crime, no indication this is anything other than an isolated incident, hundreds of SAR members searching a 2 mile radius of the school. Sounds like a lost, wandering child.

Then you have the FBI, Major Crimes Teams, and the sheriff's office begging for tips in order to solve this disappearance. I doubt they are expecting someone to call in a tip saying, "Oh yeah....I saw a kid wandering around in the woods the other day. Thought you should know."

Personally, I think they know a crime has been committed; that it was committed at the school or very near to it; and they are looking for a body.

MOO and all that.
 
  • #95
Regarding sex offenders...in Oregon only sex offenders who are considered predators are listed publicly. So there could be sex offenders living near the school who aren't on the public list. That's why when you look at the maps of RSOs in Oregon it looks like there are a lot less than in some other states.

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/SOR/faqs.shtml
 
  • #96
In light of a complete lack of new information in this case the last several days, I decided to go back to the very beginning to read it all again. On June 5th the MCSO released this statement:

"A decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI."

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

That decision was apparently made on the evening of the 4th. I do not know which specific Major Crimes Team was activated (the press release does not say), but I found the mission statement of Washington County's Major Crimes Team and it says:

"The Major Crimes Team consists of 14 detectives and 7 detective supervisors from police agencies throughout Washington County. The district attorney and two senior deputy district attorneys oversee the team and their investigations.

The team's function is to investigate murders, officer involved shootings, in-custody deaths and other major crime occurring within Washington County, that the district attorney deems necessary. The goals of the team are to:

•Maintain a roster of advanced detectives capable of responding to and effectively investigating major homicides and other complex criminal cases.
•Respond in appropriate numbers to facilitate these investigations.
•Provide smaller agencies the personnel and resources that they would not necessarily have for complex investigations.
•Provide advanced training and information sharing to its members through monthly team meetings."

BBM

http://www.beavertonpolice.org/divisions/major_crimes_team.aspx

I ask myself, "Why would this team have been activated within hours of this child's disappearance?" It certainly doesn't seem appropriate if you're looking for someone lost in the woods.

Several times I'd read that a stepdad was a police officer. When I realized yesterday that it was the Bio-mom - Desiree's husband, the way this case has been investigated from early on made more sense to me. As did the family's silent, closed rank behavior.

(I don't know why it took me so long to know this - too many possible extended family step relative combos, perhaps.)

A neighbor of Tony & Desiree posted here last night that Tony is is a major crimes detective from Medford. Homicides, kidnappings, etc. Assuming this is real information, then, for me, that explains so many things.

Many of us felt this family's had an advocate - legal counsel or even Intel (and perhaps they do), but yesterday's Press Conference confirmed for me that Tony, the family's own detective, is 100% there for this family too.

With knowledge of LE investigative resources and options available, he could have campaigned for the dual-armed simultaneous approach we have seen on this case that has confused us all. FBI/CARD for criminal abduction type invesetigation, plus SAR for endangered/missing type investigation.

Its interesting to see a case where they run both of these investigations together at the same intensity. Could this be why this case is characterized as so "isolated" or "unique" by LE?

Tony's experience & presence might also explain the quickly respectful relationship with LE and the abrupt and immediate strategy by the family (Kaine's e-mail) NOT to talk to media.

If Terri has volunteered at the school, and she's a former teacher, I'm sure there good school relationships as well. The school would respect the family's wishes - and the same attitude could trickle down to the school community.

And of course, there's the generosity of Kaine's employer...and cooperation from that organization...

Basically, after the parents' Press Conference yesterday, lots of the mixed messages sent by this investigation were explained away for me.

Sadly, I think this investigation(s) has them no further along than they were Day 1. Their efforts are becoming refined and in general they are more highly organized. I fervently hope they will soon benefit from all the resources that have been deployed.

I fear Kyron's been kidnapped out from everyone's noses & is no longer with us. The special, hectic day at the school with lots of visitors in and out ... with lots of projects walking in and out ... perfect timing for scooping up a small boy unnoticed. So many possibilities - all he needed to do, as posters here have pointed out, is to run back out into the parking lot after Terri's car because they forgot to bring something in.

But, it's also clear that they've profiled Kyron and the family with brutal honesty and are also following a hunch that something that might have upset him enough to decide to leave school that day - whether it was something that had to do with school, the fair, school friends/foes, family friends/foes, a family dynamic, etc.. Something might not have been quite right in Kyron's world, from his 7 year old point of view. We're not privvy. Was it something to do with the older brother or someone else he thought he'd made a plan with? Was it something he needed from the woods for science day or for his talent? The family & profile may have many good hunches that are ruling the search locations and the S&R in general.

All we can do is wait. What a good strong team we have on the ground behind Kyron. If anyone can figure out what happened to him, they can. And man, they are motivated.

JMHO

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Tony & Desiree's neighbor's post:
<snipped> Tony's a detective with experience working some pretty ugly cases,
 
  • #97
I suppose he could have been kidnapped and held, but from past cases I'd say that's unlikely. And if he wandered off, I don't see him surviving this long. Either way, I think he's gone :(


Hi ya'll.... I had to take a break from WS for awhile after poor precious lil Ethan... I imagine I'm not the only one :-( But Kyron has so touched my heart, I can't stay away, and have finally caught up on his threads. Seeing his family in their press video truly broke my heart yesterday.

But, I am afraid you are likely right, Calliope. As heartbreaking as it is, with the massive searching going on, they haven't found him in over a week now, and if he did just leave the school and get lost they would almost certainly have found him or at least SOME evidence of him being out there wandering. If he was snatched by someone, he could be anywhere at all by now, but the chances of the person keeping him alive...well, we all know the statistics of that :-( But there is always the chance, however slight. I am not giving up hope, and won't stop praying!!
 
  • #98
I suppose he could have been kidnapped and held, but from past cases I'd say that's unlikely. And if he wandered off, I don't see him surviving this long. Either way, I think he's gone :(

Sadly, I don't see him surviving this long either. When they reported last Sunday that many of the search team members left early because they were cold and wet, my heart sank. These are grown men and women with proper gear and training - and they only lasted a matter of hours, and during the day at that. Kyron had on a t-shirt and cargo pants and sneakers and he has now been out there (if he's out there) day and night for going on 9 days.

While I'm aware almost anything is possible, there is a limit.
 
  • #99
Now that's kinda funny 'cause I moved from PA to NJ to live with my grandparents in the fifth grade, and stayed for the rest of my growing up years. Ain't life interesting?

Wow, what a coincidence!

It's funny though that in my case there was a rumor that I was sent away that year because I was pregnant and the family was trying to hide the fact, lol. I came home for most holidays, though, so that rumor was eventually tossed out when I wasn't showing any baby bumps anytime I came home and spent time with my friends. Due to that fact I can see how something innocent can be turned into something negative.
 
  • #100
Has this e-mail alledgedly written by KH and posted on the law firm's website been verified one way or the other? I'd like to ask a question about it, but not if it's an unconfirmed source of information.

http://ackerlaw.com/blog
 
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