OR - Kyron Horman, 7 yo Second grader, Portland, 4 June 2010 - Part #11

[CocoChanel]

From crankycrankerson's excellent photobucket collection of pix (THANKS!):

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=ppl.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=kh16s.jpg

I am struck by skill level displayed in Kyron's project, and especially the stark contrast to the project beside it, which is so obviously done by a child. In a previous thread someone commented on why some students' school projects might reflect a high degree of adult involvement. In this case, this child disappeared on the very day of an event that great time, effort, and preparation had been invested in this specific project. It appears to be the culmination of something very very important, and something requiring greater psychological examination than my mind can handle. I hope someone on the investigative team is doing just that. :twocents:

 

[pufnstuf]

My son was always skinny as a rail. He's filled out nicely over the years. Some kids are just slighter than others -- but 50 lbs. for 7 years isn't alarming to me. What's alarming to me are the number of 7 year olds who weigh 75 pounds or more.

I honestly don't think he weighs 50 lbs. He is only 3'8" -- a little guy for his age, considering he will be eight in three months.

50 pounds on his little frame -- I just don't see that. Maybe with five pounds of shoes and clothes on.

 

[Calliope]

I think it was pretty obvious that the relationship between D and T is very strained, which is no surprise in this situation. I imagine that being the stepmom can make her feel powerless even with all she's done for Kyron because she's not his biological parent.

I don't see it as strained between the two of them, what I see is each withdrawn into themselves. I'm seriously worried about both; they seem so flat and their eyes are just dead. All four were flat, but the moms...

 

[pufnstuf]

I have not been able to keep up much the past couple of days. And it looks today will be another day I'm not gonna be able to.

Still praying for Kyron and his family.

Hey, Kimberly... O/T... I just read the story about what happened at The Bluffs and I am horrified. I thought the Bustamante story was bad. This one surpasses it in ghoulishness.

 

[belimom]

....(snipped)...
Also it has never been established why he is living with his grandparents..other than to train a horse and be nearer to his father......and go to her old school...I dont buy that...

I did not want to mention this as it is very sensitive to my family but my 17 year old stepdaughter lives with her grandparents.....she lived with us for 5 years and I can tell you now it was because of problems and a family on the verge of a divorce unless there was an intervention....I am not proud of this at all but do know that this is more common than it should be....(snipped)...

This doesn't just happen with step-families. A close friend of mine had to send her teenage son to boarding school for children with behavior issues. After a bitter divorce and his father taking off, he became a very angry child and began abusing my friend and the younger two children. Counseling didn't work. It has been the best thing for everyone involved - he seems happier, getting help, removed from a bad situation. And the family as a whole is healing. I live 600 miles away and don't know her oldest son well, but I commented to a mutual friend who does live close to our other friend - that I could never send my son to boarding school. She replied that I didn't understand how bad it had gotten. So I don't think we should pick apart this family constellation as far as the older stepbrother is concerned.

I, for one, don't think he's involved at all.

 

[lillygator]

I think the strained relationship between the moms is very understandable.....I know without a doubt if something happens to either of my girls on someone elses watch I would have a hard time forgiving myself as well as the other person involved......my gut is telling me, this has been over a week....this is not going to turn out well. I am still holding out hope that Kyron comes home safe and sound.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Sammy Boehlke? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/19/national/main2104636.shtml

Thank you! The kids grandma showed up right after I posted and I figured as fast as these had been moving I would never find where I posted again, lol. That might be it!

 

[Trident]

They haven't found any of his clothing, shoes, his glasses, so that is a good sign. It is possible he is still alive, but could be with someone. Did someone say his dad was in LE, a detective? I may have misread the post.

Problem is, we don't know if they found anything. If they did, I'm sure we'd hear, "no comment".

 

[pufnstuf]

This doesn't just happen with step-families. A close friend of mine had to send her teenage son to boarding school for children with behavior issues. After a bitter divorce and his father taking off, he became a very angry child and began abusing my friend and the younger two children. Counseling didn't work. It has been the best thing for everyone involved - he seems happier, getting help, removed from a bad situation. And the family as a whole is healing. I live 600 miles away and don't know her oldest son well, but I commented to a mutual friend who does live close to our other friend - that I could never send my son to boarding school. She replied that I didn't understand how bad it had gotten. So I don't think we should pick apart this family constellation as far as the older stepbrother is concerned.

I, for one, don't think he's involved at all.

I don't think we should pick apart this family as far as Kyron not living with his mother, either.

 

[CharlestonGal]

In light of a complete lack of new information in this case the last several days, I decided to go back to the very beginning to read it all again. On June 5th the MCSO released this statement:

"A decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI."

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

That decision was apparently made on the evening of the 4th. I do not know which specific Major Crimes Team was activated (the press release does not say), but I found the mission statement of Washington County's Major Crimes Team and it says:

"The Major Crimes Team consists of 14 detectives and 7 detective supervisors from police agencies throughout Washington County. The district attorney and two senior deputy district attorneys oversee the team and their investigations.

The team's function is to investigate murders, officer involved shootings, in-custody deaths and other major crime occurring within Washington County, that the district attorney deems necessary. The goals of the team are to:

•Maintain a roster of advanced detectives capable of responding to and effectively investigating major homicides and other complex criminal cases.
•Respond in appropriate numbers to facilitate these investigations.
•Provide smaller agencies the personnel and resources that they would not necessarily have for complex investigations.
•Provide advanced training and information sharing to its members through monthly team meetings."

BBM

http://www.beavertonpolice.org/divisions/major_crimes_team.aspx

I ask myself, "Why would this team have been activated within hours of this child's disappearance?" It certainly doesn't seem appropriate if you're looking for someone lost in the woods.

 

[Trident]

This doesn't just happen with step-families. A close friend of mine had to send her teenage son to boarding school for children with behavior issues. After a bitter divorce and his father taking off, he became a very angry child and began abusing my friend and the younger two children. Counseling didn't work. It has been the best thing for everyone involved - he seems happier, getting help, removed from a bad situation. And the family as a whole is healing. I live 600 miles away and don't know her oldest son well, but I commented to a mutual friend who does live close to our other friend - that I could never send my son to boarding school. She replied that I didn't understand how bad it had gotten. So I don't think we should pick apart this family constellation as far as the older stepbrother is concerned.

I, for one, don't think he's involved at all.

Yep, all families have problems, step or otherwise. I know I've had problems with my own kids.

I'm not sure anyone was picking the family apart, just positing a valid hypothesis, one that crossed my own mind as well.

 

[belimom]

I don't think we should pick apart this family as far as Kyron not living with his mother, either.

Totally agree. We don't know what was/is going on in her life that caused Kyron to be with his dad. It could be many reasons - financial, mental stability, or even just the parents deciding that was best. But I bet it wasn't an easy decision for her, no matter what.

 

[Calliope]

In light of a complete lack of new information in this case the last several days, I decided to go back to the very beginning to read it all again. On June 5th the MCSO released this statement:

"A decision was made to upgrade the search to a Major Crimes Team investigation. This allows for more resources to be deployed, which included resources from Portland Police Bureau, Gresham Police Department, Fairview Police Department, Oregon State Patrol and the FBI."

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm

That decision was apparently made on the evening of the 4th. I do not know which specific Major Crimes Team was activated (the press release does not say), but I found the mission statement of Washington County's Major Crimes Team and it says:

"The Major Crimes Team consists of 14 detectives and 7 detective supervisors from police agencies throughout Washington County. The district attorney and two senior deputy district attorneys oversee the team and their investigations.

The team's function is to investigate murders, officer involved shootings, in-custody deaths and other major crime occurring within Washington County, that the district attorney deems necessary. The goals of the team are to:

•Maintain a roster of advanced detectives capable of responding to and effectively investigating major homicides and other complex criminal cases.
•Respond in appropriate numbers to facilitate these investigations.
•Provide smaller agencies the personnel and resources that they would not necessarily have for complex investigations.
•Provide advanced training and information sharing to its members through monthly team meetings."

BBM

http://www.beavertonpolice.org/divisions/major_crimes_team.aspx

I ask myself, "Why would this team have been activated within hours of this child's disappearance?" It certainly doesn't seem appropriate if you're looking for someone lost in the woods.

I think it's appropriate as at that time they had no idea what happened to him. They wouldn't want to wait until him wandering off by himself was ruled out to start investigating the possibility a crime occurred.

ETA: Gates has been asked a number of times about this being a "criminal investigation". He has said it's still being called a missing/endangered, but indicated they are working both possibilities, employing SAR and investigative personnel.

 

[Nellie]

It kinda breaks my heart to hear all the chatter about the SM and family. Geez for a woman who has been there for this child since he was small - she sure is taking a lot of heat. Anybody ever say - where was the BM - because it isn't very often a man takes the baby when they split - get divorced - to raise on his own. I'm just saying...

As for the SB, I see a little boy in the pictures who sinks into his big SB. He looked like he adored him and the feeling was most likely mutual or you wouldn't see that type of interaction.

I know when I cry my eyes out I can't look at light - it burns my eyes. That being said, can you imagine how many flashes were going off as they held - what I felt like - POW's in front of us. It was quite obvious that the last place those parents wanted to be was in front of the cameras.

I thought the BM looked sad and wracked with guilt. I felt she looked like she is beating herself up over this. She has 7 years to replay (in her brain) about why she wasn't the main custodial parent, especially if he is never found - which I believe is about to happen. :banghead:

From my experience with divorce, etc is that you have this little feeling of rejection that you somehow can't overcome until you are old enough to know how to deal with it. That poor little guy has really been tossed back and forth between two families almost his entire life.

If there is one thing we all can teach our children, it is to listen to your intuition - your inside voice. My children have grown up being taught that because I am a survivor of a serial killer. I am alive today because I heard and listened to that voice inside. Your children are smart. Teach them how to survive in the world that we have around us today. Safety, safety, safety.

What's sad is that as parents we want to protect our children and so we move out to the country where we feel safe when in all actuality - there is no place safe anymore.

Maybe today will be the day! It's so beautiful out!!!

 

[Trident]

From crankycrankerson's excellent photobucket collection of pix (THANKS!):

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=ppl.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=kh16s.jpg

I am struck by skill level displayed in Kyron's project, and especially the stark contrast to the project beside it, which is so obviously done by a child. In a previous thread someone commented on why some students' school projects might reflect a high degree of adult involvement. In this case, this child disappeared on the very day of an event that great time, effort, and preparation had been invested in this specific project. It appears to be the culmination of something very very important, and something requiring greater psychological examination than my mind can handle. I hope someone on the investigative team is doing just that. :twocents:

BBM. WOW, great post! A new train of thought, one I didn't delve too far into. Love the way your mind works.

 

[DeepThinker]

I was SO hoping to log on and see that Kyron had been found and was back safe with his family.

I cannot stop thinking about this precious little boy. raying:

 

[kgeaux]

Well, I am an avid FB user and do play Family Feud. I can say that every time I have played that particular game it has always updated correctly.

I have had FB have the time of my posts off by as much as 10 hours. Don't know why. I also have had friends post inviting me to join them for an outing, and the post doesn't show up until the next day.

Watching the news tonight I was stunned to see Kyron only weighed 50 lbs. Is that standard for a boy his age?
Ta

scandi, I weighed 69 pounds on the first day of high school! Some people are just tiny! One of my sons was over nine pounds when he was born and has been under the average weight since he was 6 months old!

From crankycrankerson's excellent photobucket collection of pix (THANKS!):

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=ppl.jpg

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Kyron%20Horman%20%20-OR-/?action=view&current=kh16s.jpg

I am struck by skill level displayed in Kyron's project, and especially the stark contrast to the project beside it, which is so obviously done by a child. In a previous thread someone commented on why some students' school projects might reflect a high degree of adult involvement. In this case, this child disappeared on the very day of an event that great time, effort, and preparation had been invested in this specific project. It appears to be the culmination of something very very important, and something requiring greater psychological examination than my mind can handle. I hope someone on the investigative team is doing just that. :twocents:

There may be something to that, but having raised five children to adulthood, I have noticed a few things. #1, some kids are meticulous and organized, and will work hard for perfection in any project they undertake, and some kids aren't. They'll slap out anything and be satisfied! #2. I am a parent who refused to do any of my children's work for them, but not all parents have the same standard: many, many times I saw projects done almost completely by the parents entered as the child's work.

I do hope that LE is looking into exactly what you've suggested, because although I believe parental involvement can be very innocent, no stone should be left unturned in an investigation of a missing child.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think it's appropriate as at that time they had no idea what happened to him. They wouldn't want to wait until him wandering off by himself was ruled out to start investigating the possibility a crime occurred.

I thought of that too, but the sheriff keeps saying over and over and OVER that there is NO indication that a crime has been committed and if and when there is they will follow those leads. They themselves are saying they have no information to make them believe a crime has been committed, yet they activate the Major Crimes Team. That doesn't add up, IMO.

 

[Trident]

Hey, Kimberly... O/T... I just read the story about what happened at The Bluffs and I am horrified. I thought the Bustamante story was bad. This one surpasses it in ghoulishness.

Can you give a link to this, sounds like something I missed.

Sorry for OT

 

[Calliope]

I thought of that too, but the sheriff keeps saying over and over and OVER that there is NO indication that a crime has been committed and if and when there is they will follow those leads. They themselves are saying they have no information to make them believe a crime has been committed, yet they activate the Major Crimes Team. That doesn't add up, IMO.

I'd be horrified to find out that LE hadn't begun a possible criminal investigation from the start.